Board 8 > So what was more popular in Japan at its peak, Pokemon or Dragonball Z?

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Pokemon has lasted longer obviously, but when both of them were at the height of their popularity, who was top dog? Was there any other animes above even them?

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well Pokemon only lasted longer since it the source material its based on is very loose and can keep going a long as games come out

Dragon Ball Z followed a manga that eventually ended, though added filler on the way so of course it ended earlier. They tried to continue it with Dragon Ball GT and well

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How would you measure the level of popularity between these two mediums anyway?

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Ratings on new broadcast of the episodes maybe? Thats actually a good question.

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From: pjbasis | #005
How would you measure the level of popularity between these two mediums anyway?

pretty sure he's talking about the TV shows

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Pretty sure Pokemon was bigger culturally. As an anime I don't know.

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Neither of them are anywhere near as popular in Japan as they were in the west, where we didn't have a lot to choose from in anime.

Definitely not like top 10 or even 20 over there.

In the 80s and 90s, mecha shows like Gundam and Evangelion plus longrunners like One Piece and Naruto topped the charts.

These days it's mostly moe crap like K-On.

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pjbasis posted...
How would you measure the level of popularity between these two mediums anyway?



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How could you even continue DBZ? Half the cast could destroy planets by the end, so any attempt to continue it would be "lol follow the adventures of the 10th Gokid and Bakini as they fight something even sillier than Buu.

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As an anime I'm pretty sure DBZ was bigger in Japan than the Pokemon anime.

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Oh right...

I would say Dragon Ball Z.

It's hard to imagine Pokemon was actually popular with any older audiences.

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DB/Z gave birth to the shounen battle manga/anime phenomenon. The people drawing for Shounen Jump right now worship Akira Toriyama. Pokemon is nowhere close to that.

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I wouldn't say it gave birth to it exactly.

It might be more like Super Mario Bros is to platformers.

And Cobra or Kinnikuman would be the Donkey Kong.

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From: Takfloyd_mkII__ | #009
Neither of them are anywhere near as popular in Japan as they were in the west, where we didn't have a lot to choose from in anime.

Definitely not like top 10 or even 20 over there.

In the 80s and 90s, mecha shows like Gundam and Evangelion plus longrunners like One Piece and Naruto topped the charts.

These days it's mostly moe crap like K-On.

What are you going by, ratings? Sales? Seems like a jumbled mixture you've got there. Stuff like K-ON sells well, but never appears on the ratings, while stuff like Pokemon is in the top 10 even nowadays.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-01-09/japan-animation-tv-ranking-december-12-18

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DB/Z gave birth to the shounen battle manga/anime phenomenon.

I wouldn't say this though. It just made everyone copy from it.
HnK came 1st in terms of that whole shonen battle thing, and I don't even think that was the 1st one.

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Hence the phenomenon part. I know it wasn't the "first". But every major shounen manga in WSJ right now copy it in some way. Naruto? Bleach? OP? Toriko? These things all pay homage to DB/Z.

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bleach is a copy of a copy really

Yeah Bleach rips off YYH more than DBZ.

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there's actually a stark contrast between the two in that akira toriyama changed the ending of DBZ several times to appease fans who were sending him death threats, kubo on the other hand writes as if he's daring someone to come get him

pjbasis posted...
How would you measure the level of popularity between these two mediums anyway?

media

"I preferred that show when it was called Yu Yu Hakusho, and I preferred THAT show when it was called Dragonball Z!"

But seriously, probably Pokémon. Sure, DBZ was bigger if you just compare the anime, but Pokémon was still comparable, and it had the games (its main medium) to boost it up there. Pokémon was a multimedia phenomenon, while DBZ was more stuck to just the anime and manga.

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funny story: Toriyama encouraged Kubo not to give up on Bleach.

I wonder if he did it to spite Togashi....

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"I preferred that show when it was called Yu Yu Hakusho, and I preferred THAT show when it was called Dragonball Z!"

But seriously, probably Pokémon. Sure, DBZ was bigger if you just compare the anime, but Pokémon was still comparable, and it had the games (its main medium) to boost it up there. Pokémon was a multimedia phenomenon, while DBZ was more stuck to just the anime and manga.

DB has nearly 100 games listed if you do a search on this site.

Yes, DB has a lot of games.

Doesn't mean they were very successful! Pokémon on the other hand is the second highest selling game franchise ever, and likely the highest in Japan. And it's got a highly popular anime on top of that, which doesn't exceed DB on its own but comes fairly close in terms of ratings and merchandise. Reflecting on it, Pokémon is the clear winner.

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I am just guessing that that other Toriyama-related game series might have the sales crown in Japan

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I polled 126 japanese voters just now

56% said DBZ

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DBZ, according to Japanese Mario Karters.

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Akira Toriyama was voted as one of the top 100 most influential people in Japan a while back.

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Easily Dragon Ball Z as far as anime.

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Takfloyd_mkII__ posted...
Neither of them are anywhere near as popular in Japan as they were in the west

I know for a fact that's not true--pokemon was bigger in Japan in its height than it was in the US (I have friends who were visiting Japan at the time).

Granted, this was Pokemon in general; not necessarily the anime.

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Stuff like K-ON sells well, but never appears on the ratings

The K-On! movie did humiliate the Tintin movie in its home turf, though, which ought to be a low blow for Spielberg:

http://www.tokyohive.com/2011/12/japan-box-office-report-%E2%80%93-december-3rd4th/

(Though that might as well be that Japanese not knowing what is Tintin.)

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anime/manga: DB
franchise: Pokemon

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K-On!'s fantastic

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