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what do you think of someone who says this

I think America would have a much healthier political landscape if people voted for party and policy over individuals, and I think being a single-issue voter is unwise and short-sighted

But equally, "no matter who" is the sort of absolutist nonsense that drives the republican party, so I don't like that

they are correct at this moment.

pinky0926 posted...

I think America would have a much healthier political landscape if people voted for party and policy over individuals, and I think being a single-issue voter is unwise and short-sighted

But equally, "no matter who" is the sort of absolutist nonsense that drives the republican party, so I don't like that

Pretty much this. The whole At least its not Trump argument is such a defeatist attitude.

Not always true but you have to consider who is the opponent and what they will do.

LonelyStoner posted...

Pretty much this. The whole At least its not Trump argument is such a defeatist attitude.

It is, but I also think ensuring Trump doesn't win really should be an imperative for left wing voters. Like it seems impossible to imagine how bad the world will be in 4 years time if he wins.

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Oh I agree tbh

In years past, it may not have been as prudent.
Now? I'd sooner castrate myself with my own teeth than vote for a filthy, diseased, fuckwit gopper.

Stealth both sides topic?

pinky0926 posted...

It is, but I also think ensuring Trump doesn't win really should be an imperative for left wing voters. Like it seems impossible to imagine how bad the world will be in 4 years time if he wins.

Agreed. I just dislike it when any legitimate criticism of Biden is handwaved with that same attitude and youre accused of being a Trumper for saying something.

It would be nice to think that, whatever the result of the election there would be a competent government with a plan to take the country forward.

But, alas, in the US right now the priority is to prevent a takeover by far right authoritarianism.

LonelyStoner posted...

Agreed. I just dislike it when any legitimate criticism of Biden is handwaved with that same attitude and youre accused of being a Trumper for saying something.

Modern day political discourse has become insanely binary. Seems like you need to preface a criticism of Biden with "I will still vote for him BUT" otherwise you're a "both sides" kind of guy.

That they have a firm grasp on how terrible the current GOP is and a better chance of not rat fucking the country to oblivious with horrendous policy by voting for a member of the GOP.

LonelyStoner posted...

Pretty much this. The whole At least its not Trump argument is such a defeatist attitude.

The defeatist attitude is acting like voting is futile because it doesnt matter which candidate wins with the future looking bleak either way, rather than choosing the option that allows a glimmer of hope with at least a possibility of the major infrastructural changes we need.

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Yeah the phrase itself is pretty tired and makes Democrats look like sheep. Which they can be but not to the level of the MAGA cult.

Voting blue in the UK means voting for the Conservatives, so no thanks.

It means that the political structure is fucked.

Why does CE still try so hard to get biden less votes???

i'd rather be fighting against biden than fighting against trump, know what i mean? i'm not a biden fan but i'd much rather he be the acting president i disagree with than trump be the acting president i disagree with.

Rai_Jin posted...

they are correct at this moment.

this.

in terms of this election, voting blue means preserving the system of democracy as we have known it for 250 years, and voting red means ceding ground to politicians who want to turn this country into a fascist, white nationalist, authoritarian dictatorship under a career fraudster, criminal, and traitor to this nation.

pinky0926 posted...

I think America would have a much healthier political landscape if people voted for party and policy over individuals, and I think being a single-issue voter is unwise and short-sighted

But equally, "no matter who" is the sort of absolutist nonsense that drives the republican party, so I don't like that

I did this last election. Went to a couple different sites that compiled each candidates list of bullshit, and every single republican running in Illinois at the time had at least SOME "questions" regarding the 2020 election. Every. Single. One. That isn't even touching on the rest of their dog shit. Why should I waste hours going and doing research on a republican when I know for 100% fact at this given moment, they will be unquestionably worse than any democrat politician.

pinky0926 posted... It is, but I also think ensuring Trump doesn't win really should be an imperative for left wing voters. Like it seems impossible to imagine how bad the world will be in 4 years time if he wins.

It's not about just Trump either, and what is problem we are facing right now. Having all these other bad right wingers in office for years got us to the point we're at. Donnie didn't overturn Roe, the republicans worked toward it for decades and people didn't keep voting out the cancer of the republican party because they just sat back and went "welp, I voted once, what more do you want from me!"

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This and the fact that there's a lot of people acting in bad faith/trolling. So some do not want to give the benefit of the doubt.

mario2000 posted...

what do you think of someone who says this

I think theyre repeating what I told them to do.

pauIie posted...

i'd rather be fighting against biden than fighting against trump, know what i mean? i'm not a biden fan but i'd much rather he be the acting president i disagree with than trump be the acting president i disagree with.

I feel the same.

That mentally is how DINOs worm their way in.

MAGA supported neo nazis and the overthrow of democracy

And Republicans supported MAGA

Until the entirety of current generation of GOP is out of office, we MUST support the Democrats in ALL general elections.

If you are unhappy with the Democratic candidate work hard to get some good democrats in the primary.

voldothegr8 posted...

That mentally is how DINOs worm their way in.

DINOs get in because you dont vote for better candidates in the primaries.

That is absolutely correct when the alternative is a bad faith entity led by a man under indictment, rightfully impeached multiple times, and fueled a domestic terrorist attack to overthrow the duly elected government and install himself in power.

This is not what any of us want. If it ever gets back to the differences between the parties being policy driven, of course we want to have quality debate and decide who is best to lead regardless of party affiliation. But the GOP took that away when Gingrich and company completely abandoned the concept of good faith governing to cling to power. Now the other side is a destructive cult, so there is no other option than to vote blue and hope for the best.

We dont have the luxury of nitpicking Biden when MAGA is the alternative. 2016 showed us what happens when we do that. We would if the GOP hadnt intentionally broken the government, but they did, so now we vote blue and hope that eventually MAGA loses enough elections thst sanity will prevail.

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I wonder if that manages to reach 1% of the total number of American elections.

LonelyStoner posted...

Pretty much this. The whole At least its not Trump argument is such a defeatist attitude.

It is also the only sensible way to vote right now.

pinky0926 posted...

I think America would have a much healthier political landscape if people voted for party and policy over individuals, and I think being a single-issue voter is unwise and short-sighted

This, generally. HOWEVER...

Rai_Jin posted...

they are correct at this moment.

...this is what applies right now. Trump and the current GOP that has become warped around him are just THAT much of a threat to this country as a whole. This is no longer a matter of "policy vs. policy" or "party vs. party", this is a matter of "preserving democracy vs. letting this country become a fascist dictatorship".

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Biden should be criricized. But we shouldn't criricize Biden heavily while giving Trump a pass for the same thing.

Fetterman while holding a gun chased a black man down the road for jogging. And since he been in office has done nothing but show his ass. So naw.

cjsdowg posted...

Feddermann while holding a gun chased a black man down the road for jogging. And since he been in office has done nothing but show his ass. So naw.

The other option was Dr. Oz.

cjsdowg posted...

Feddermann while holding a gun chased a black man down the road for jogging. And since he been in office has done nothing but show his ass. So naw.

Can you even vote for Fetterman?

We have to work with the system we have and sadly it's a two party system with one party heading to full fascist mode. I hate the Democratic Party, or at least 98% of them, but we have to get them to win and take away control from Republicans. We have more of a chance of getting a more progressive system eventually with them than the fascists.

Some people fail to recognize this for various reasons.

Virtually every person I know that openly talks about politics and lets you know who they are voting for are the people who always vote completely down party lines. On yes Im going to say it, BoTh SiDeS. Its not like this sentiment will go away when Trump goes away. Itll be some other candidate and everyone who votes blue will still feel like its way too big of a risk to have a Republican President and democracy is at stake.

The left is going to feel this way in 28, 32, 36. Its not like there will ever be a time when they feel comfortable with a Republican President.

100% correct in 2024.

Fuck the Democrats, but they are still far better than the GOP. We have to destroy the GOP.

archizzy posted...

The left is going to feel this way in 28, 32, 36. Its not like there will ever be a time when they feel comfortable with a Republican President.

People keep saying that like this election isn't a little unusual.

As in "we can't establish precedent for this corrupt horseshit in the last 250 years" unusual.

Rai_Jin posted...

they are correct at this moment.

This, considering what the Trump-led GOP plans to do if he wins reelection.

archizzy posted...

Virtually every person I know that openly talks about politics and lets you know who they are voting for are the people who always vote completely down party lines. On yes Im going to say it, BoTh SiDeS. Its not like this sentiment will go away when Trump goes away. Itll be some other candidate and everyone who votes blue will still feel like its way too big of a risk to have a Republican President and democracy is at stake.

The left is going to feel this way in 28, 32, 36. Its not like there will ever be a time when they feel comfortable with a Republican President.

Literally no one felt democracy was at stake every election before Trump ruined the country.

vote blue unless you prefer red, in which case you should vote red.

pinky0926 posted...

Modern day political discourse has become insanely binary.

Because the Republicans made it that way. That's literally been their strategy for decades.

1. Create wedge issue
2. Force everyone onto one side of wedge
3. Whichever side of the wedge the GOP is on, blame the other side of the wedge for all the worlds problems.

Integration, Civil Rights, Immigration, Abortion, Marriage Equality, Transgender Rights, Guns

every single one of those things used to not be a partisan opinion until the GOP decided to artificially make it a wedge issue

If you want things to change, the first step is to destroy the GOP and the only way to do that is to dismantle the two party system, and the only way to do THAT is to vote in Democrats because they're the only ones advocating for electoral reform. The only thing the GOP wants to change about our elections is they want less people voting.