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The_Korey
04/26/24 4:19:41 PM
#101:


Interesting. Well I'm sorry you folks ended up here like this. Maybe make peace with the locals, though? Unite over the subject I'm sure you all hate far more than each other.

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GrandConjuraton
04/26/24 4:21:42 PM
#102:


TotallyNotMI posted...
Fuck fandom


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AriaOfBolo
04/26/24 4:29:42 PM
#103:


we don't have beef with the locals, we're just not really here for the purpose of interacting with em. I don't imagine you'll see us outside of this topic much at all.

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Leafeon13N
04/26/24 4:55:24 PM
#104:


Fuck fandom.
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Umbreon
04/26/24 5:02:58 PM
#105:


Fuck fandom.

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P4wn4g3
04/26/24 5:20:23 PM
#106:


So this is for board 8 to discuss politics or whatever? Kinda depressing. Board 8 was a good board, I preffered serious discussions there or PotD as opposed to here where everything is some form of shitposting.

I think we are all unified in our hate of Fandom.

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Forceful_Dragon
04/26/24 5:54:10 PM
#107:


P4wn4g3 posted...
I preffered serious discussions there or PotD as opposed to here where everything is some form of shitposting.

This is exactly why we just wanted to be left alone. We weren't bothering anyone with our political discourse. had a tag that could be hidden and everything.

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PeaceFrog
04/26/24 9:33:01 PM
#108:


So how about them student protests huh

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StealThisSheen
04/26/24 9:44:44 PM
#109:


Hey guys.

Don't judge me for my shame of posting on CE too much, please. I went down a road, let's leave it at that.

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Umbreon
04/26/24 9:45:58 PM
#110:


StealThisSheen posted...
Hey guys.

Don't judge me for my shame of posting on CE too much, please. I went down a road, let's leave it at that.

Same tbh

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MalcolmMasher
04/27/24 8:39:52 AM
#111:


I am glad that we have found a way to continue the Politics Containment Topics, although I would prefer if we could turn down the xenophobia a bit. Let us do strangers the courtesy of presuming that some of them may, in fact, be able to make coherent and insightful arguments, or other valuable contributions to the topic.

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AriaOfBolo
04/27/24 8:58:35 AM
#112:


I don't think anybody's saying otherwise?

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MalcolmMasher
04/27/24 9:28:01 AM
#113:


The OP includes "This topic is for people from B8 and other approved posters only."

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AriaOfBolo
04/27/24 10:34:39 AM
#114:


MalcolmMasher posted...
other approved posters


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MalcolmMasher
04/27/24 10:38:01 AM
#115:


Yes, I'm glad that we're willing to extend permission to the good ones, but perhaps we should not begin by implying that strangers default to "bad"?

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AriaOfBolo
04/27/24 10:58:34 AM
#116:


I see your point but I think you're reading more into it than intended

AriaOfBolo posted...
we don't have beef with the locals, we're just not really here for the purpose of interacting with em.

we want a place to talk about heavy topics with our friends. it's less about "CE bad" and more about "I want to talk with my friends, instead of random strangers that may or may not be cool"

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Runeboggle
04/27/24 11:03:03 AM
#117:


CE lurker here, but expressing solidarity with B8.

Fuck fandom.

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AriaOfBolo
04/27/24 11:04:17 AM
#118:


Runeboggle posted...
CE lurker here, but expressing solidarity with B8.

Fuck fandom.

\m/

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MalcolmMasher
04/27/24 11:56:10 AM
#119:


I see your point but I think you're reading more into it than intended... I want to talk with my friends, instead of random strangers that may or may not be cool

I do understand that preference. When my aunt hosts a big Thanksgiving dinner, I typically spend my time talking with people who I know well, not the second cousins of second cousins who I barely recognize. (I'm not a terribly social person. Although, given that I have a GameFAQs account old enough to drink, you could probably have guessed that.)

But if one of those other guests I hardly know joins a conversation I'm in, then saying "Butt out, we weren't talking to you" would be terribly rude and inappropriate. It is as much their place as it is mine. And - to drop the metaphor - insofar as we define ourselves by being from a board that is not Current Events, this is more their place than ours.

And so while I am glad that the Politics Containment Topic series is continuing and/or rebooting, although it must do so in a new location due to new, stupid policies, I do believe that a stance of "locals are unwelcome by default" reflects poorly on us.

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Seanchan
04/27/24 12:16:03 PM
#120:


I could do with a whole lot less meta commentary on the topic!

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/27/politics/trump-federal-workers-2nd-term-invs/index.html

Shit like this gets me enraged.

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Umbreon
04/27/24 12:56:12 PM
#121:


B8 has always been a little wary with letting strangers in, haven't we? The motivation for that may have been hostility in the past, but as we aged its probably more an aversion to change than anything else. Which isn't to say we can't welcome new blood in (We happily did every contest!), but this sudden rule change does NOT have anyone in a good mood.

Eventually people will open their shells. We always do.

But yeah back on topic, Trump is 100% going to fire (and possibly arrest) anyone who hasn't completely bent the knee to him. He did promise he'd be a dictator.


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Forceful_Dragon
04/27/24 2:28:40 PM
#122:


MalcolmMasher posted...
I am glad that we have found a way to continue the Politics Containment Topics, although I would prefer if we could turn down the xenophobia a bit. Let us do strangers the courtesy of presuming that some of them may, in fact, be able to make coherent and insightful arguments, or other valuable contributions to the topic.

Nah, that's okay.

Y'all are already on CE by choice. Many of us will literally only be here by force, and only in this single topic series. Just pretend the topic series isn't here; we certainly wish it didn't have to be.

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agesboy
04/27/24 2:43:15 PM
#123:


Umbreon posted...
But yeah back on topic, Trump is 100% going to fire (and possibly arrest) anyone who hasn't completely bent the knee to him. He did promise he'd be a dictator.
his lawyer justifying political assassinations is absolutely baffling, but to that lawyer's credit, he is accurately representing trump!

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LightningStrikes
04/27/24 2:56:05 PM
#124:


Yeah I see no problem with some CE people taking part if theyre willing to match the vibe and culture (and most importantly, general politeness and friendliness) of B8 and the Containment topics. After all its not like there was a shield around the board before these topics were banned. But it should be understood that there is a specific culture to be preserved here. I wasnt joking when I said in a Board 8 topic on the politics ban that these topics are unironically one of the least toxic places to discuss politics online.

Sheep007 posted...
Interesting that people with right-wing populist beliefs tend to go to Sinn Fein! I would have thought Fianna Fail would try and draw them in as we've seen a lot globally with the centre-right, although I'm not super clued in on Irish politics so I've probably missed something. Regardless of the many, many problems in the UK (again, I can't speak for Ireland but as far as I'm aware it's not quite so messy there right now?), the ultra-right have generally managed to be kept out of power, even though the Tories keep leaning in and flirting with them.

Most of my experience with nationalist parties is with Plaid, who are generally a bit more left than the SNP. And since Welsh national identity basically died until the 90s, outside of rugby and language in pockets, they've basically had to construct half of a more progressive national identity from scratch (I've got a migrant background and rarely feel unwelcome even when I have to mention my name to Welsh nationalists). Still some more conservative voters as I mentioned but it's very interesting to see how the different nationalist parties are taking different approaches, both socially and from the "get us the hell away from England" angle.

Thats a good point about Fianna Fail and to be honest with you I dont really know why they havent capitalised on that audience so to speak. To speculate a bit it could be as simple as the fact that they never recovered from the recession and their 2011 drubbing, they went from the largest party in every election for eighty years to half or less of where they used to be. A lot of their working class Catholic or nationalist base went over to Sinn Fein and simply never came back. Also, their current leader is pretty liberal and has been around forever, so I think the party itself has moved on social issues as well. And yeah you hit on the interesting paradox of these progressive nationalist parties! For what its worth I am no expert on Wales but I think it has historically been much to the left of Ireland and Scotland (and England) going back centuries too. So that probably affects things too.

Anyway, sounds like the UK general election might be getting called on Monday? We can only hope.

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ChaosTonyV4
04/27/24 9:13:25 PM
#125:


https://twitter.com/dsaworkingmass/status/1784223967995101251?s=46&t=v9nzYLLBIiNYrqldFs9NWQ

Pro-Israel counter-protesters were filmed shouting Kill the Jews.

Shortly after, the cops arrested the Pro-Palestinian protesters, the University and the media of course reported that it was said, notably not mentioning who said it, to justify the roundup of the Palestinian protesters.

Like, look at this fucking comment from the VP of Communications of the University:

https://twitter.com/tori_bedford/status/1784253324448928077?s=46&t=v9nzYLLBIiNYrqldFs9NWQ

So fucked.

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YoBlazer
04/27/24 9:23:11 PM
#126:


Reminds me of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lalQ3ABWIZA

Weaponized victimhood is sinister as fuck.

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Kinglicious
04/27/24 10:28:21 PM
#127:


Nothing wrong with gatekeeping, people who say otherwise have yet to see what happens when you don't. Doesn't mean nobody's allowed, just means there's caution by the locals.

And fuck fandom.

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IfGodCouldDie
04/27/24 10:37:09 PM
#128:


BlueTigerLion posted...
I'm out of loop did another board get banned? Or is title meant as keeping political discussions contained to this thread.
It's a topic for the regulars on the contests board to discuss politics because they had always kept a single topic for politics so the board wouldn't get flooded with politics topics and because of the new rules they cannot even have that so they have one here.

Also for any B8 regulars there are actually quite a few insightful people on CE as well and a topic like this is likely to attract them. There will be shitty trolls as well but with the new rules for CE they won't last long.

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KamikazePotato
04/28/24 12:54:02 AM
#129:


https://www.scotusblog.com/2024/04/supreme-court-appears-likely-to-side-with-trump-on-some-presidential-immunity/

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Thorn
04/28/24 1:10:14 AM
#130:


Oh. Right. I guess I never posted my thoughts on how all that went.

I listened to the oral arguments and basically agree with that take. Alito, Thomas, Kavanaugh, and Gorsuch all very much seemed like they wanted to grant some amount of immunity and while the liberals and Barrett seemed to reject Trump's nonsense for what it was that leaves Roberts as something of a kingmaker and while I'd put him as the toughest read on his lean from the arguments I also expect his "my legacy!" pearl clutching will lead him to want to avoid a 5-4 and get as close to a unanimous ruling as he can - which will necessarily require making concessions to the Alito group.

I don't think he'll go as far as Alito did (who seemed to openly be looking for a line he could draw that would put Trump on the side of immune but to keep the raised hypotheticals of "Order the SEALs to assassinate political opponents" subject to prosecution) and with no sense of irony claimed that not granting immunity would make it more likely for presidents to try and abuse their power to maintain office upon losing an election. He and Thomas both tried to trip up DOJ with what they thought were "gotchas" by trying to bring up stuff from history and asking if they would be liable to criminal prosecution. Alito brought up FDR and internment (a favorite tactic of Alito is to concern troll like this) and seemed to short-circuit when DOJ said "Yes." In his seeming surprise he asked for an elaboration and DOJ basically replied "Because Korematsu was finally overturned, yes, it would be. But because this Court had endorsed such a position - perhaps wrongly - it probably wouldn't have been liable at the time." and Thomas brought up something and asked why wasn't it prosecuted by DOJ... leaving out that said operation was ordered by JFK... who DOJ would not have considered charging post-presidency for a pretty obvious reason.

But I can definitely see him going closer to Kavanaugh and Gorsuch who kept going "Oh, we don't want to talk about this case teehee. We're just super worried about future presidents~!" and jumping at the chance to devise some test to distinguish between "official" acts which he'll say are immune and "private" acts which won't be and then telling the lower courts to sort it out before they can go to trial - thereby adding months to the proceedings and pushing the trial well past the election. A technical ruling against Trump but one that completely achieves his objective of delaying the trial under after the election - where, should he win, he can just order DOJ to dismiss the case entirely. Not exactly a novel take - I think media outlets were openly predicting such an outcome before oral arguments - but I was actually surprised Kavanaugh and Gorsuch were so openly sympathetic to Trump's case here. I thought if it was just Alito and Thomas alone pushing for this shit it was possible that they would just shut it down but now I have very little optimism of such a complete rejection.

Pretty grim shit.

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P4wn4g3
04/28/24 3:43:02 AM
#131:


KamikazePotato posted...
https://www.scotusblog.com/2024/04/supreme-court-appears-likely-to-side-with-trump-on-some-presidential-immunity/
They are his personal goons. Obviously they will do anything it takes to get him off.

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Forceful_Dragon
04/28/24 3:45:29 AM
#132:


Isn't that was Stormy Daniels was for? >_>

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P4wn4g3
04/28/24 3:47:38 AM
#133:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
Isn't that was Stormy Daniels was for? >_>
It's what the entire republican party is for anymore. They all take turns.

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Hyena_Of_Ice
04/28/24 3:55:38 AM
#134:


Damn that is just the politics ban makes me wonder what other boards/threads got killed with the hornyposting ban.

The Sex and Hot Girls boards were nuked.
The Religion board was also nuked because there was too much political discussion + the board was barely active.
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Leafeon13N
04/28/24 4:24:09 PM
#135:


Fuck fandom.
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Dancedreamer
04/29/24 5:50:23 PM
#136:


Everytime someone says Trump is 'honest' I just want to sell them a bridge.

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ChaosTonyV4
04/29/24 7:47:22 PM
#137:


https://twitter.com/business/status/1784763532866990557?s=46&t=v9nzYLLBIiNYrqldFs9NWQ

https://twitter.com/gallupnews/status/1783861545438494752?s=46&t=v9nzYLLBIiNYrqldFs9NWQ

Are we close enough to the election to allow me to freak the fuck out? Hes so cooked.

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Guide
04/29/24 7:48:05 PM
#138:


hey fandom

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Thorn
04/29/24 8:07:42 PM
#139:


idk you want me to post republican pollsters finding biden up? because i could because they have

Not sure I find the job approval polling convincing because I think we're in a new age of polarization where no one is going to have good numbers there (and you generally see that reflected in how the number has been dropping down for the recent presidents to the point where you could almost have it sorted by date) and because that hilarious Obama outlier aside there's not too many polls in each sample.

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ChaosTonyV4
04/29/24 8:19:31 PM
#140:


Thorn posted...
idk you want me to post republican pollsters finding biden up? because i could because they have


Yes, I would love to see that, actually.

How can you see margins this big and not be worried? I dont get it, man. If the Supreme Court rules that Presidents are above the law and Trump wins, we are fucked.
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AriaOfBolo
04/29/24 8:22:16 PM
#141:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
we are f***ed.

it helps to have accepted this a while ago

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Dancedreamer
04/29/24 8:29:47 PM
#142:


Polls are definitely concerning. We're also still very far out from an election, and the voters have the memory of a fucking goldfish. If they're not one of the minorities Trump are targeting, they see: "Prices go high, economy bad! Must vote out current President. Oooga Booga."

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Thorn
04/29/24 9:03:58 PM
#143:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Yes, I would love to see that, actually.
k

https://twitter.com/USA_Polling/status/1785003259351978030

But like also you're picking just that Morning Consult/Bloomberg poll and staking everything on that. Morning Consult itself says today they're tied per their website and Biden is doing better now than Super Tuesday. Fuck, that MC/Bloomberg poll has Trump doing better than Trump's internal polls in places like Arizona.

We've had this discussion like literally 9 times the past 9 months but while we're just now starting to creep into the period where polling has historically been better than throwing darts at the wall (though I say again it gets better around the conventions which are still months off) I open up 538 and still get the feeling we're seeing the same 2022 tactics where R-leaning pollsters flood the zone with garbage polls to distort the averages and lay the groundwork for the media to talk about red waves and shit like "why are Dems losing women/black/Hispanic/young voters? is there a nostalgia for maga?" Like these polls with crosstabs where the black vote has shifted to Trump in a demographic realignment bigger than anything since the Civil Rights Movement? I'm supposed to just nod and accept shit like that non-critically? Something is broken here.

Like I'm looking at Michigan on 538 and it has Trump leading the average. I'll note MI is the one place your chosen poll has Biden up. So why is this? Because some group, ranked 82nd on their rating lists dropped a Trump+15 MI poll in there. I'm going to assume even the most doomer take isn't having Biden lose MI by 15 points. (btdubs morning consult is at 116th)

I don't really want to go all poll truther or anything, but polls have just been pretty fucking wack lately. Clearly it started back in 2016 when they missed out on how Trump turned out MAGA voters but it feels like they've just been adrift the past few years and don't know how to correct for this. Ever since 2022 Dems have basically outperformed the polls by a fair margin and overperformed the political landscape of wherever they're running, often by double digits. So at this point I'm pretty skeptical of polls regardless of what they're saying, even the Biden up ones.

The closest thing we have to a pattern we can look to in the actual elections is that Dems have been fucking fired up since Dobbs and that it has not slowed down regardless of polls suggesting otherwise in those races.

I do think Trump can win this election, don't get me wrong. But if I had to guess I still would favor Biden. But Trump's chances are not nothing and that should motivate people to ensure they get out and vote.

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P4wn4g3
04/29/24 11:30:36 PM
#144:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
How can you see margins this big and not be worried? I dont get it, man. If the Supreme Court rules that Presidents are above the law and Trump wins, we are fucked.
It should be noted that it's always been legal for someone in prison to become the president. It's just been ignored because since a prisoner can't campaign and is obviously a bad choice for president it never mattered. Our system is unfortunately heavily slanted towards the rich and powerful being able to do anything, so if Trump goes to prison it isn't going to matter, he's still delectable unless he somehow gets censured or whatever the process is under the 21st amendment, and the Supreme Court hookers already gave him a pass there.

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red13n
04/29/24 11:52:17 PM
#145:


Fuck fandom.

Also fuck the polls. But also screw all these people. I don't understand how you can look at Trump and be like "I want that again.".

Biden has been, at worst, "fine". Like, things could be better, sure, they always could. But by and large hes been mostly inoffensive.

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YoBlazer
04/30/24 12:02:55 AM
#146:


Thorn posted...
I do think Trump can win this election, don't get me wrong. But if I had to guess I still would favor Biden. But Trump's chances are not nothing and that should motivate people to ensure they get out and vote.

Same. I'd never think to write Trump off, but I'm voting for Biden, I tell people I plan to vote for Biden, and as the election draws closer, I will remind those around me (with whom I'm willing to talk politics) to vote for Biden as well. Unless a person is planning to volunteer for a campaign, that's about the most they can reasonably do.

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Hyena_Of_Ice
04/30/24 12:14:13 AM
#147:


Dancedreamer posted...
Polls are definitely concerning. We're also still very far out from an election, and the voters have the memory of a fucking goldfish. If they're not one of the minorities Trump are targeting, they see: "Prices go high, economy bad! Must vote out current President. Oooga Booga."

Basically this. Too many voters hold this mentality.
"My wallet is in good shape right now. Therefore, the current president is responsible."
"My wallet is in bad shape right now. Therefore, the current president is to blame"
Let's not forget that Obama's approval rating dropped by almost half a mere 1 month after his inauguration simply because he hadn't solved a global fucking recession yet. This is how stupid the average voter is. We are fucking doomed.
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GTM
04/30/24 2:48:40 AM
#148:


A year ago we had people here blame our current mayor for things before she was sworn in as mayor

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Dancedreamer
04/30/24 11:20:01 AM
#149:


33% of Republicans from Louisiana blamed Obama for his response to Katrina, which happened when George W. Bush was President.

Democracy doesn't work when people are stupid. And that's why Republicans want to defund education.

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Thorn
04/30/24 11:22:03 AM
#150:


Result of the first gag order hearing the NY Criminal Trial:

The Court finds Trump has violated it nine times (of the ten instances brought to its attention for this hearing) and imposes a fine of $1000 for each violation (the statutory maximum) and orders that all the offending instances be taken down.

https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/1785305490370519227

In the judge's actual order stating this, when it comes to the punishment section, the judge explicitly talks about how the fine he can impose for contempt in a criminal case is bound by law to $1000 and notes that while such an amount may work in most cases, notes that that is a pretty useless fine (in terms of achieving the intended outcome - stopping the offender from continuing the behavior) when the offender is wealthy enough that the fine is basically nothing to them. And therefore he explicitly warns that jail may be necessary for continued offenses.

Order from the Court states...
However, the Judiciary Law does not vest the Court with authority to craft an appropriate punishment when a $1,000 fine will not achieve the intended purpose. While $1,000 may suffice in most instances to protect the dignity of the judicial system, to compel respect for its mandates and to punish the offender for disobeying a court order, it unfortunately will not achieve the desired result in those instances where contemnor can easily afford such a fine. In those circumstances, it would be preferable if the Court could impose a fine more commensurate with the wealth of the contemnor. In some cases that might be a $2,500 fine, in other cases it might be a fine of $150,000. Because this Court is not cloaked with such discretion, it must therefore consider whether in some instances, jail may be a necessary punishment.

THEREFORE, Defendant is hereby warned that the Court will not tolerate continued willful violations of its lawful orders and that if necessary and appropriate under the circumstances, it will impose an incarceratory punishment;

The instances covered by this hearing were from Trump's social media and campaign website over April 10 - April 17. I'm pretty sure the DA has since brought even more instances before the Court between then and now that I believe also have their own hearing scheduled. Presumably such instances won't trigger the "we might jail you" warning because this order only came today but IDK.

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