Current Events > Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth Has Reportedly Sold About Half of What FF7 Remake Did

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So does that mean they're credible?

So does that mean they're credible?

If if fits whatever agenda someone needs yep.

Okay.

So what's the alternative?

I mean waiting for square-enix to post about it theirselves when the eventual shareholder mettings pop up or any other situation where they need to talk about it seems to have always worked in the past.

*shrugs*

All of this stuff is public information and easily verifiable.

If you want to believe that this company and this person have an agenda then feel free.

I'm not doubting his credentials, I'm saying that if he posts something that people want to believe deep down is true then it will be the word of law, but if its the type of post that others do not want to believe then it will be pointed out that in the end its still someone that is making guesswork and thus still isn't a actual source for sales. It doesn't change anything I said, its for the agenda someone needs is when these type of tweets truly matter.

Which leads me back to this post of his that says: People have really bad reading comprehension if they think both games flopped and sales are awful.

If his word is law, then not a single person that his citing his tweets also cannot conveniently ignore this that he posted.

I don't ignore that at all. Just because gamers speak in extremes doesn't mean he is saying anything contradictory. The game is selling around half of what FFVII did. It is underperforming.

It appears you are emotionally invested in this because this isn't something you want to hear.

There is nothing that indicates he is only guessing these sales figures. He works for a company that specifically has Square-Enix as a client to provide analysis. Obviously that will include information that we are not privy to.

When someone like Daniel Ahmad or Mat Piscatella post something about sales figures they're about as reliable as it can possibly get outside of the publisher themselves as this is literally their day to day job. They're not hiding behind an anonymous account. They work with these companies and they are considered a source of information. They are liable and responsible that the things they say are accurate.

Says who? This is what I was debating from the beginning. Posters like you keep saying this but there is not a single source that has numbers for this.

Nah, it just legit annoys me when gamers do this typical thing where because they personally dislike something (Whether that is video games not being ported to the PC day one, more hate-boner towards sony doing things, or because muh FF turn based battle system, etc.) they keep doing this dishonest hate-posting thing and it just gets old. Its one thing if you just aren't into it....completely fine.

Posters doing this whole dishonest song and dance saying its doom and gloom game sold terribly see this is what they get, it shoulda' been on the peecee day one (despite having not a single clue how the game did in north america, the biggest region for video game sales)....it all comes off as pathetic coping.

There is no way the game sold well, because this is something this group of gamers do not want to hear, lol.

Ok, and if he is this reliable then you doing some mental gymnastics and trying to twist his "People have really bad reading comprehension if they think both games flopped and sales are awful." post since you yourself are emotionally invested and refuse to believe it as a "pshh, I don't speak in gamer extremes. Its just code for the game is unperforming" type of thing is completely unneeded. Just believe him in that sales or not awful, the game did not flop, and wait for square-enix to post about the game theirselves =/

Says Daniel Ahmed. An analysist who works for Niko Partners and is partnered with Square-Enix. All verifiable on their website.

We don't need exact numbers. FFVII Rebirth is selling about half as Remake and is underperforming. That's the quote. That's the story. Any interpretations, explanations or opinions come afterwards.

Can you find one indication from anywhere that Rebirth is selling really well?

There is nothing incorrect about the topic title or the opening post.

If your issue is posters taking this news to an extreme and using it for agendas take it up with them. But the information this topic is based on is accurate and easily sourced.

I don't know what you're taking issue with anyway. FF XVI also sold on the lower end of expectations as specifically stated by Square-Enix. Rebirth by all accounts is selling less.

What are you expecting them to say that will prove any opinion in this topic wrong?

You made it clear already who the guy is. The rest of your post isn't needed. Where it the concrete numbers? Just say "there is none" and leave it at that. Why is this so hard?

Also posting the exact same guy you are using as a example of floundering sales posts saying "yeah nah, its not actually flopping and sales are not awful (confirmed and super verified by him by the way)" is pretty funny I can't lie*

Neither you nor the TC's ass is accurate information that is easily sourced. The problem is I looked up these sources and came up with a whole heaping pile of absolutely nothing thus me posting in this topic and the other one talking about it.

Geeeee, I dunno. What can I possibly do but WAIT ON SQUARE-ENIX's update, lmfao.

Why is SE so dense

If someone didn't buy Remake, they're not going to buy Rebirth even if Rebirth is considered a much better game. Players don't feel obligated to play Rebirth until they play Remake, and you still have those who are holding out until every single piece of the Final Fantasy 7 remake compilation is out. Not to mention those who played Remake and didn't like it aren't going to have their minds changed if Rebirth got a better metacritic.

Why do we need concrete numbers to know that selling half of Remake isn't great?

Why do you think it's not possible for a game to sell half of the previous entry but still not be a massive flop?

What do you think is inaccurate about the information presented from Daniel Ahmed?

Why do you feel the need to source further than an analyst whose job it is is to provide sales and performance information to people who work in the industry?

Do they provide an update for every single game? What if they don't bother?

I don't have a PS5.

sometimes I think SE hates seeing their games succeed.

Selling less than XVI is the real kicker.

.do I really need to explain why knowing the sales numbers for something would tell you if something sold bad or not?

Because its highly possible the game, in fact, did NOT sell half than its predecessors did since we do not know the sales numbers from a lot of regions (after all, he did say "about half", and not actually "sold half").

After all, this is still just a analyst taking a swing at various data like trophy numbers and things like that. (This trophy thing was in one of those other links, one of those 2 million click-bait ones. They were doing guesswork via data like trophies)

Yeah its his job as a analyst, but again this whole thing is still all still maybes, probables, hopefullys. Etc. since analysts aren't absolutely flawless.

Mega man 11 btw is one of these games. We straight up did not know that mega man 11 officially became the best selling mega man game in the entire series until like, 2 years later or something like that. Finally fantasy 7 obviously is a way more anticipated game, but its barely been over a month since it released. Give it time.

Nope. All you need to tell me is if a sequel selling half of the previous entry is a good result.

So you are claiming that Daniel Ahmed is not a reliable source and that he is being misleading?

Do you understand that Daniel Ahmed did not write any of the articles? He is not basing it on trophy numbers.

You have absolutely no basis to make this claim.

Again the website literally claims Square-Enix is their partner. They are not speculating.

That does not mean he is allowed to post concrete figures that would be under NDA.

Man if Rebirth is being compared to Mega Man 11 then things are truly fucked. This isn't a digital only game it's one of their biggest releases of this year.

Your reading comprehension is awful if you can't even remember what the dude you are referencing posted himself. When does "about half"=sold half?

All I said is was we have no idea how he is basing whatever numbers he came up with, and this other analyst used trophy data among others to come up with whatever they did.

How do you know? lol. I'm just taking a guess since he himself was never clear and this other analyst was using data like that. None of us know for sure, but this daniel dude never actually stated what data he was using.

So in short, the source has no concrete numbers. You could have simply said this from the start and saved yourself a whole lot of trouble, lol.

You are so emotionally invested in this that you are trying to twist what I said about some numbers not being known until later and making a durrr mega man comparison. You are so bad at this, lol.

If you want to provide decent arguments then provide them.

Hopefully this wakes SE up to how not doing PC day 1 is bad business and they don't repeat the same mistake for part 3