Board 8 > Toy Story Mafia Topic 1: A Poisoned Waterhole

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love the passion here kirby. I don't think it makes you scum.

But I do disagree with no lynching.

I'd sooner lynch anyone pushing a "nolynchers are scum" argument, myself.

Obellisk posted...

it's my 11 year olds favorite movie.

Wow is Winry 11 already?

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Wow is Winry 11 already?

11 going on 16.

Ctes who are the scum

Kirby321 posted...

Genuine question, Corrik: what's the scum equity in pushing for a NL?

Given that scum is down a member, wouldn't it be better for scum if more townies ended up dying? The odds of town getting lynched today are astronomically higher than scum getting lynched. So why would scum push for NL when the odds of them lynching town is super likely?

I just don't see the logic there. Call it anti-town, sure, but scummy? That makes zero sense.

I said one of you 3 are scum and the rest anti-town. Better to kill you all as you serve no point to finding scum/are the scum.

Corrik7 posted...

I said one of you 3 are scum and the rest anti-town. Better to kill you all as you serve no point to finding scum/are the scum.

That's incredibly lazy. But sure, whatever. Shoot me tomorrow and my blood is on your hands and yours alone.

I mean, you're just gonna call me a bad player when I flip town rather than take any accountability for your own actions, but you do you fam :P

Kirby321 posted...

That's incredibly lazy. But sure, whatever. Shoot me tomorrow and my blood is on your hands and yours alone.

I mean, you're just gonna call me a bad player when I flip town rather than take any accountability for your own actions, but you do you fam :P

Probably

Kirby is probably town and a bad shot

Also all his antitown behavior is over after today. No point in shooting him for antitown unless you're pretty sure he's scum

Lopen posted...

Kirby is probably town and a bad shot

Also all his antitown behavior is over after today. No point in shooting him for antitown unless you're pretty sure he's scum

Luckily it is my choice and not yours.

Arguing over NL just kills the scumtrail and is boring.

Leafeon13N posted...

Arguing over NL just kills the scumtrail

I agree

The more interesting thing to ask is do you think you're the only one who thinks this?

We should just lynch someone now. If the NL people didn't wanna play the game, that's their choice. We shouldn't let them suck the air out of the game by giving everyone an excuse to not try and force information to find scum.

Corrik7 posted...

We should just lynch someone now. If the NL people didn't wanna play the game, that's their choice. We shouldn't let them suck the air out of the game by giving everyone an excuse to not try and force information to find scum.

That's rich coming from Mr. "See you Day 2", the guy who usually spends most games barely even playing.

I don't think anyone has even disagreed that most D1s are crapshoots anyway. Majority of the times we actually lynched scum on D1 have been complete flukes.

That being said, we're more than halfway into D1 and nobody has been putting vote pressure to actually get someone on the board. The fact that No Lynch is leading right now is absolutely telling at how ineffective a D1 lynch is going to be in the end. Don't say I didn't warn you guys if we end up mislynching the Doctor today.

Does town Corrik actually feel a need to talk so much if he can just shoot stuff I'm not sure

Lopen posted...

The more interesting thing to ask is do you think you're the only one who thinks this?

No but I'm a little tired of repeating this.

Lopen posted...

Does town Corrik actually feel a need to talk so much if he can just shoot stuff I'm not sure

I am just gonna say that he might simply be out of shots and only has words and votes left
...
Of course now he is just gonna shoot me tomorrow to prove me wrong.

Btw looking back I am not super on FD being scum either if only because the last scumFD I saw felt more comfortable in the background while here he has put himself at the front of the NL movement.
Granted Kirby has spoken more for it by now than him
And Either way, where are his spreadsheets so far?

Death who the scum

Still ruminating. (if I am using that word right)

Unsure about Changmas as scum, since IGCDs reactions to his Knightz posts strike me as scum annoyance. 'dont call knightz confirmed town etc'
Of course that depends on Knightz being town, but I feel those odds are great.

After recent games I am much less forgiving of inactives, which would point my dagger towards Lea, Mzero and Red
And of those 3 Lea is the one who stands out and is also usually more active than those other two.

However I would also like to point Ctes out as someone who has been more on the sidelines than anything. He didnt even make his stance on a NL clear as far as I can tell. His biggest contribution really was to ask changmas about his Lopen opinions. I would like some actual reads from him.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Hes confirmed town. I figured this out asap.

I can vouch for Kirby too
Kirby is Town

ItzKnightz posted...

I can vouch for Kirby too
Kirby is Town

how are you so confident?

Kirby321 posted...

The last game town won (Simpsons Mafia) had absolutely minimal claiming D1

That's a terrible example because that game exactly had end of d1 trains, three of them, all three scum.

Obellisk posted...

how are you so confident?

Kirby has been nothing but nice this entire game, Ulti can vouch for him. Point is that he has not gone after someone at all this game.

When you put it like that it just makes him sound bad, since we have to go after guys we suspect.
Havent you been doing that yourself?

Lopen posted...

Ctes who are the scum

Some of the more low laying players, who seems the most deflated after the early shot I think is most likely. Lea is a good lead, I was hoping she would have returned by now.

I am not interested in in going after Corrik, Kirby, Knightz and to a lesser extent you and Chang.

htaeD posted...

He didnt even make his stance on a NL clear as far as I can tell

Which part of "I'm not opposed to NL in principle but I think pushing for it early into the day is a loss." wasn't clear to you?

I don't mean to sound rude, I just think that's pretty clear. The advantages are well explained but there is no fun in it and there is less to work with tomorrow so it shouldn't be first priority ever unless you are like certain it's MyLo perhaps.

ItzKnightz posted...

Kirby has been nothing but nice this entire game, Ulti can vouch for him. Point is that he has not gone after someone at all this game.

scum can't be nice?
why do you trust anything ulti says?
Why would someone not going after anyone appear town?

I think not grouping me in with the inactives and then shading me for inactivity in the same post looks like a forced answer to Lopen's question.

Oh no rudeness detected
But see that sounded like you werent decided yet, and now its a bit clearer to me that you arent interested in NLing today. (at least thats what I think you are saying)
Now I do agree thats pushing for NL when it started was too early regardless of whether one agrees with the principle or not.
And yeah its also no fun.

I wouldn't consider Ctes in the pool of inactive players

"On the sidelines" feels exactly right

That doesn't mean the same as inactive

I am vibing with Death in this regard (unless I misunderstood him)

Last time I felt Ctes was making posts for the sake of talking and looking smart ("sage ass mf" I called him) and not actually scumhunting he was scum.

Feeling those same things this game.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I think not grouping me in with the inactives and then shading me for inactivity in the same post looks like a forced answer to Lopen's question.

I did not say you were.
I said you were on the sidelines. Thats different.
Basically I didnt recall you doing much despite your decent post amount.

Darn 5 seconds later that would have been legend

Lopen with the wavelength ninja.

A lesser man would make the joke that this should worry them, but factually I still agree with him.

That said next time I'd like to answer those questions first, Lopen.

Apologies I was not trying to White Knight you by speaking up for you as much as explaining my vote

I definitely see why it looks that way though.

To be clear I think Ctes is worse than inactive. Aggressively neutral.

I'm also no longer interested in a Lea lynch today

Votals crossing the street in a traffic Cone

No lynch(3) - Fd, Kirby, Lea,(ItzKnightz), (Chang)
Chang (2) Ulti,ItzKnightz, (lopen), (IGCD), (Knight), (sbell), (Lopen)
Ctes(1)- Lopen
Kirby(1)- Corrik
Lea (1)- Ben, (Lopen)
Lopen (1) - Chang,(Kirby)
Corrik (0) - (Ulti), (Lopen)
Ben (0) - (Knight)

No, I get this literally every single game at some point. I have been darn clear in every sign up topic including this one about having stuff basically from when I wake up to I go to sleep many days and can just sporadically check my phone during that, which I do as often as I can in an attempt to participate the most (unlike red and MZero who just doesnt post whenever they get around to keep up more often than not, but I really don't think I am around more than them at all). I am not "here" in those in betweens at all. It's why I often don't sign up and only said that I would be in if it gave better numbers, which Wallz then happily accepted. This is literally how I have played every single game in forever and then you can point on the most recent one and say that I was scum sure but you are also ignoring every other game whether on purpose or not. Besides I got killed in that game mostly because JC absolutely dismantled my "reads" and stuck to it along with my fumbling an attack on Chang and not because of activity.

Lopen posted...

To be clear I think Ctes is worse than inactive. Aggressively neutral.

This is disheartening as f*** because the alternative would be I don't try to keep up until there is a point I can sit down and play for a longer time. Then you have another player around a couple of hours a day at best and having more of those I am sure would make mafia more fun.

We have talked in a billion DTCs about how activity dies when people like you are no longer in game and how dull that makes the game and yet you are straight up vouching for being inactive right now.

I think I've lost the plot

444 feels like you're upset about suspicion for inactivity 445-446 feels like you're frustrated I'm enabling inactivity

444 is me being upset about things I have been very considerate about making clear in sign up topics being ignored and trying to elaborate it.

445 and 446 is me being discouraged at a statement that attempting to be around should be worse than just staying away from the game.

Like if you just want to say "your playstyle is trash, be around less" that's just lame. It you use it as a case dit suspicion or attempt to fake then it's just weak.

I don't think aggressive neutrality is your playstyle at all though?

The only useful takeaway here is in case anyone was arguing otherwise in good faith; if you think I was around all the time when I post on unrelated things with an hour or so inbetween, you are wrong, I am really only around when I post and would rather put out some thoughts than nothing at all.