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Kaldrenthebold posted...

I got it cause I couldn't find a fucking Wii in 2006. Said fuck it and got a 360 with Oblivion, Condemned and Call of Duty 2.

I like the Wii but looking back, you probably did the right thing. There are some fun games on it but there's way more crap than gold on that console. Wii U had some gems but thankfully they got ported to Switch. I still only own my Wii U to play One Piece Unlimited Cruise for the Wii, Xenoblade Chronicles X, Windwaker HD, and Twilight Princess HD.

If all of those games came onto the switch, I'd probably sell my Wii U because it would become almost pointless except for the few VC games I bought.

JasonSehorn posted...

stop

Can't handle the truth?

Lol

Publishers Worried About Supporting XBOX Moving Forward

Good. They should.

As someone who prefers discs and has a Series console with the @%# disc drive, I'm surprised it took this long to see an article like that.

the_real_Naruto posted...

I like the Wii but looking back, you probably did the right thing. There are some fun games on it but there's way more crap than gold on that console. Wii U had some gems but thankfully they got ported to Switch. I still only own my Wii U to play One Piece Unlimited Cruise for the Wii, Xenoblade Chronicles X, Windwaker HD, and Twilight Princess HD.

If all of those games came onto the switch, I'd probably sell my Wii U because it would become almost pointless except for the few VC games I bought.

Oh yeah, I absolutely did. In 2009 someone broke into my college apartment and stole my PS3 and 360 and my parents got me a Wii that Christmas. I was immediately disappointed after a month or two and ended up buying another PS3 instead. 360 was a great get for sure.

Xbox and sega should team up.

Kaldrenthebold posted...

Oh yeah, I absolutely did. In 2009 someone broke into my college apartment and stole my PS3 and 360 and my parents got me a Wii that Christmas. I was immediately disappointed after a month or two and ended up buying another PS3 instead. 360 was a great get for sure.

One thing I have a love and hate relationship with are party games which Nintendo has a lot of. While I like party games, I don't have a lot of people come over. It wasn't until the Wii U that I did. I had mario party and Mario kart 8 and Smash to play but when I'm alone, i want to play single player games and while there were some good ones, there wasn't enough to justify having a Wii or a Wii U(even though I did have them but I always buy a Nintendo console for Zelda so they're always going to get my money)

I don't want to sit at home playing Mario Party by myself but who else am i going to play it with? I'll either be stuck playing Zelda again or do what I did eventually and that was buy another console so I had a 360 and now I buy a Playstation and a Nintendo console but strayed away from Xbox since like I said before, nothing has kept me into wanting one. I did have a Series X but because I was so fascinated with an open world space simulation and then got burned because of how uninteresting it eventually was.

I DO have an excellent PC now though so if Microsoft does release something I want, i'll just play it on there. I doubt we'll get another Fable because even though they talked about it...its nowhere to be found..

the_real_Naruto posted...

One thing I have a love and hate relationship with are party games which Nintendo has a lot of. While I like party games, I don't have a lot of people come over. It wasn't until the Wii U that I did. I had mario party and Mario kart 8 and Smash to play but when I'm alone, i want to play single player games and while there were some good ones, there wasn't enough to justify having a Wii or a Wii U(even though I did have them but I always buy a Nintendo console for Zelda so they're always going to get my money)

I don't want to sit at home playing Mario Party by myself but who else am i going to play it with? I'll either be stuck playing Zelda again or do what I did eventually and that was buy another console so I had a 360 and now I buy a Playstation and a Nintendo console but strayed away from Xbox since like I said before, nothing has kept me into wanting one. I did have a Series X but because I was so fascinated with an open world space simulation and then got burned because of how uninteresting it eventually was.

I DO have an excellent PC now though so if Microsoft does release something I want, i'll just play it on there. I doubt we'll get another Fable because even though they talked about it...its nowhere to be found..

Man I would love another Fable, more like 2, less like 3. I also own a Wii U and love it to pieces, in fact all the games ported to Switch I own on the Wii U so I don't even need to double dip. Only one was Mario Kart 8 and that's cause it was just more populated and it's the one game my wife and I will play together on. Otherwise, I still play my Wii U. I recently started a playthrough of Deus Ex Human Revolution on it because I was feeling nostalgic and the game pad actually functions well for it.

I'm glad it was a flop cause it lead to the Switch but the Wii U was so misunderstood. Well, it also had issues for sure, but I enjoyed it a lot.

Kamen_Rider_Blade posted...

They were correct in using 2x AA batteries

LOL.

*CElutets*

LonelyStoner posted...

Sony always wins.

PS5 is shit too. Probably the worst video game system Sony created.

Tanthalas posted...

LOL.

I can still use my old XB360 controllers to this day by easily swapping out my recharge-able AA batteries.

The same can't be said about my old PS3 SIX-AXIS or DS3's whose's batteries are dying out and I need to find solid OEM Lithium Ion batteries to replace each unit with.

Which is a pain in the arse since they're proprietary designed batteries.

Who knows which one is legit, and which one is crappy no name batteries.

That takes alot of research to figure out.

I remember a little while ago people arguing with me about how profitable & successful they were because of game pass & such. Seems like this has blown that out of the water

Kamen_Rider_Blade posted...

I can still use my old XB360 controllers to this day by easily swapping out my recharge-able AA batteries.

The same can't be said about my old PS3 SIX-AXIS or DS3's whose's batteries are dying out and I need to find solid OEM Lithium Ion batteries to replace each unit with.

Which is a pain in the arse since they're proprietary designed batteries.

Who knows which one is legit, and which one is crappy no name batteries.

That takes alot of research to figure out.

Buttons not working or stick drift has been what forces me to buy a new controller, not problems with the battery.

Itd be one thing if the controller came with a battery and you could use AAs as an option, but its the other way around so.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Nothings going on, just people exaggerating.

CADE_FOSTER posted...

I been saying ms is a trillon dollar company they can sell both xboxes at 99 dollars for a year and get them in homes they fucked up the xbox brand so bad

I would certainly get a series X if it dropped below 300 (Im not settling for s). BUT I already have a ps5 and switch, so its hard for me to justify another expensive console when whatever little time I have to play is already spent on these two. I imagine a lot of people feel the same.

They also dropped the ball announcing so many games even since 2020 that HAVE YET TO BE RELEASED.

CARRRNE_ASADA posted...

They also dropped the ball announcing so many games even since 2020 that HAVE YET TO BE RELEASED.

Most of them were released, they just came and went because they were either mediocre or only ever appealed to a specific audience.

kage_53 posted...

PS5 is shit too. Probably the worst video game system Sony created.

Lmfao okay, dude.

PoopPotato posted...

I really like Game Pass, though.

its on pc and its great.

But as we all know PC is in a fucked state in terms of optimization.

Sony needs competition imo. Nintendo is in their own niche.

Gaming would be much better if consoles stopped existing in general.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Gaming would be much better if consoles stopped existing in general.

They will one day. Once infrastructure can support it everything will be streamed from your smart tv. Its only a matter of time. By next Gen each game will be like 500gb

Ahh...the ol' weekly XBox is doomed threads. I remember the last hilarity after an "announcement" upcoming from MS that was basically the exact opposite of what the Sony doomsayers were stating.

lol

Im not surprised the hardware is actually superior but the lack of games to take advantage of it don't exist.

I've owned the series X from launch and I've yet to play a game to really wow me so far. No worthwhile games at all at least Sony has a handful of games to show case the ps5.

Ultimate lets me stream their console games from pc

why buy one? Lol

They must have said something stupid on Twitter

Tyranthraxus posted...

Gaming would be much better if consoles stopped existing in general.

Lolno.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

i would rather just wait for the steam deck 2 whenever it comes out. I have been really happy with my steam deck

hereforemnant posted...

I remember a little while ago people arguing with me about how profitable & successful they were because of game pass & such. Seems like this has blown that out of the water

Don't believe "The Corporate Hype".

boomgetchopped3 posted...

They will one day. Once infrastructure can support it everything will be streamed from your smart tv. Its only a matter of time. By next Gen each game will be like 500gb

The latency issue is a "Speed of Light" issue, it can't be easily solved.

And the cost of maintaining the server infrastructure isn't as appealing as you think it might be compared to just making consoles and shipping them out to customers.

The Benefits of "The Cloud" are over hyped and blown out of proportion.

Kamen_Rider_Blade posted...

Don't believe "The Corporate Hype".

I believe it was proven that, in a bubble, Game Pass is indeed "profitable" for them. But this is after they already invested in cloud systems & so on ahead of time, & Game Pass gets to exist in a bubble by itself & show profitability & success with subscriber counts.

The problem being, the PS5 is still the objectively better system with backwards compatibility & what you get to play, & if you don't want a PS5, a PC will give you all the benefits & more that Game Pass will give you while still having access to Steam/Epic & whatever.

So yet for two generations in a row, Xbox is there, but it's really not doing fucking much. It's been having more misses than successes, & Microsoft as a trillion dollar company & the largest one in the world for market share, has been supporting Xbox like a cancerous growth since the Kinect days basically.

Sony is still well & fully capable of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, but it can't be undersold how much Xbox through Don Mattrick, & Phil Spencer, have botched what could have been much more successful. They might as well just move away from hardware entirely, & focus on cloud/software like a lot of people have been thinking. The Xbox glory days have long since past, & Nintendo gets to exist in it's own sandbox doing whatever the fuck, but like someone else said if they became a Sega entity that would be better for them overall.

hereforemnant posted...

I believe it was proven that, in a bubble, Game Pass is indeed "profitable" for them. But this is after they already invested in cloud systems & so on ahead of time, & Game Pass gets to exist in a bubble by itself & show profitability & success with subscriber counts.

That's if it was living in that bubble where there was ZERO competition.
That's not a realistic scenario.

The problem being, the PS5 is still the objectively better system with backwards compatibility & what you get to play, & if you don't want a PS5, a PC will give you all the benefits & more that Game Pass will give you while still having access to Steam/Epic & whatever.

PS5 offers the same games, but on a more compelling platform that has outsold XSX|S.
That's w/o featuring "Game Pass" as a primary focus.

PC offers a larger library & backwards compatibility, but at the cost of some user unfriendliness and slower release cadence for AAA/AAAA games.

So yet for two generations in a row, Xbox is there, but it's really not doing fucking much. It's been having more misses than successes, & Microsoft as a trillion dollar company & the largest one in the world for market share, has been supporting Xbox like a cancerous growth since the Kinect days basically.

MS has been throwing $$$ into the Dumpster Fire that is the XBOX division since it's inception, at some point, it might think about going the Sega route and just be a "Software Publisher".

That's far more palatable to MS, since it's strengths has always been software, not hardware.

MS has recently divested of it's consumer hardware division for peripherals, despite being successful.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/18841/microsoft-to-discontinue-self-branded-peripherals-focus-on-surface-instead

https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/27/23700998/microsoft-keyboard-mouse-webcam-discontinued-surface-brand

They'll only stick with the over-priced "Surface Brand" that wants to compete with "Apple's Over-Priced Hardware".

Sony is still well & fully capable of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, but it can't be undersold how much Xbox through Don Mattrick, & Phil Spencer, have botched what could have been much more successful. They might as well just move away from hardware entirely, & focus on cloud/software like a lot of people have been thinking. The Xbox glory days have long since past, & Nintendo gets to exist in it's own sandbox doing whatever the fuck, but like someone else said if they became a Sega entity that would be better for them overall.

More Don Mattrick, then Phil Spencer.

Phil has stemmed the bleeding from Don's screw up, but whomever thought the XBOX Game Pass was smarter than the traditional business model, needs to be fired.

Perhaps off topic but I remember hearing about the use of motion controls for the wii and how rude Microsoft were to the engineers who brought forth their motion control system forward.

Then Sony too.

Nintendo was the only one who gave them a time of day and then soon after the Wii's success, both Sony and MS tried to use their own motion controls and failing.

Honestly, people shit on Nintendo all the time but I feel that Nintendo is the company that's always looking into improvement and after reading all about the way they make games, they are still the one company that looks to innovation in making video games.

Although I know Nintendo has been scummy, they are still the purest form of a video game developer.

Sony started off as the underdog but became bastardized over time.

MS never sat well with me. It always felt like a company that looked at video game development and was a bit cocky from the start.

The traditional business model may be better for AAA third party support and sales. But overall I dunno if it would have worked out better for Xbox. Console sales and software/subscription revenue would be worse than they are now. The latter of which is their saving grace even with their lethargic hardware sales.

The issue for Xbox is that Playstation and Nintendo continue to be the more popular brand for console gaming. Most people are completely fine with sticking with Playstation and Nintendo and it doesn't really matter what Xbox and Microsoft are doing. I don't think kids and teenagers care about Xbox at all.

Kamen_Rider_Blade posted...

That's if it was living in that bubble where there was ZERO competition.
That's not a realistic scenario.

PS5 offers the same games, but on a more compelling platform that has outsold XSX|S.
That's w/o featuring "Game Pass" as a primary focus.

PC offers a larger library & backwards compatibility, but at the cost of some user unfriendliness and slower release cadence for AAA/AAAA games.

MS has been throwing $$$ into the Dumpster Fire that is the XBOX division since it's inception, at some point, it might think about going the Sega route and just be a "Software Publisher".

That's far more palatable to MS, since it's strengths has always been software, not hardware.

MS has recently divested of it's consumer hardware division for peripherals, despite being successful.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/18841/microsoft-to-discontinue-self-branded-peripherals-focus-on-surface-instead

https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/27/23700998/microsoft-keyboard-mouse-webcam-discontinued-surface-brand

They'll only stick with the over-priced "Surface Brand" that wants to compete with "Apple's Over-Priced Hardware".

More Don Mattrick, then Phil Spencer.

Phil has stemmed the bleeding from Don's screw up, but whomever thought the XBOX Game Pass was smarter than the traditional business model, needs to be fired.

That was one of the main things that was a good counterpoint to it, but it was like twisting people's arms to get them to admit that. No one will say that Game Pass isn't good on it's face, I used to play most of my games from goddamn GameFly back in the day for christ's sake lol. The problem is that they're hoping for it to single-handedly salvage Xbox while still focusing on the lagging hardware right?

I don't disagree with anything else you say besides the last sentence, all the rest mirrors my own thoughts. Don Mattrick definitely lopped off the limb that started the proverbial bleeding of Xbox, but Phil Spencer has been talking out of both side's of his mouth for years now & been doing plenty of corporate speak justifying the brand & it's mistakes. If it wasn't admitting that "Xbox can't compete with Nintendo" as a company 30x their size because of MS's bulk, it was "good games don't sell systems" or any of the other dumb shit he's uttered.

He's clearly in a high position as an executive & has to ride the fence or tow a line, the problem being that he was praised for being fair & transparent with gamers & whatever through the course of his position. But it's been smoke & mirrors the whole time, whether if it's about Xbox's focus on Game Pass subscribers instead of raw numbers for what returns it's getting (how many of those subscribers only use it when they get time for free like me). Or their inability to compete entirely, & him saying that & causing the last large freakout when Xbox customers came away with them admitting "yeah we're giving up on the Xbox by moving every future game to other platforms as much as we can."

It just stinks of defeatism & trying to do everything to just give up, instead of actually being a good competitor. Because companies just try & mimic what other's are doing, instead of beating them on how intuitive, or well produced something is. The 360 to go back to it, was fucking PLAGUED with problems. But it was such a stellar ecosystem for games & playing with people that it still did very well even when the PS3 sold more consoles.

But yeah the Series X/S being outsold 2:1 is pathetic, & the PS5 isn't perfect by any means. I don't think there's any person that could take Don or Phil's place & actually steer the ship correctly or they would have been put there by now.

I know everyone is loving the idea of MS concentrating more on games than consoles but competition is good. If Sony is the only main player left in the game (heh) then the lack of competition means they can increase prices without fear of people jumping ship.

SHRlKE posted...

I know everyone is loving the idea of MS concentrating more on games than consoles but competition is good. If Sony is the only main player left in the game (heh) then the lack of competition means they can increase prices without fear of people jumping ship.

This is a capitalist myth man I'm sorry. They will raise prices regardless of how competitive anything is. The only point to competition is that it might force them to innovate technologically, but we've seen game prices go up recently in that sector, while the quality isn't anywhere near apparent to justify the price.

Game Pass prices went up, PSN prices went up, NSO prices went up. Game prices went up, MTX are more present than ever before with expansion passes, battle passes, etc etc. Price leadership is what competition actually is, & it's a lie that companies actually compete the more there are. They just buy up one another instead.

hereforemnant posted...

That was one of the main things that was a good counterpoint to it, but it was like twisting people's arms to get them to admit that. No one will say that Game Pass isn't good on it's face, I used to play most of my games from goddamn GameFly back in the day for christ's sake lol. The problem is that they're hoping for it to single-handedly salvage Xbox while still focusing on the lagging hardware right?

I don't disagree with anything else you say besides the last sentence, all the rest mirrors my own thoughts. Don Mattrick definitely lopped off the limb that started the proverbial bleeding of Xbox, but Phil Spencer has been talking out of both side's of his mouth for years now & been doing plenty of corporate speak justifying the brand & it's mistakes. If it wasn't admitting that "Xbox can't compete with Nintendo" as a company 30x their size because of MS's bulk, it was "good games don't sell systems" or any of the other dumb shit he's uttered.

He's clearly in a high position as an executive & has to ride the fence or tow a line, the problem being that he was praised for being fair & transparent with gamers & whatever through the course of his position. But it's been smoke & mirrors the whole time, whether if it's about Xbox's focus on Game Pass subscribers instead of raw numbers for what returns it's getting (how many of those subscribers only use it when they get time for free like me). Or their inability to compete entirely, & him saying that & causing the last large freakout when Xbox customers came away with them admitting "yeah we're giving up on the Xbox by moving every future game to other platforms as much as we can."

It just stinks of defeatism & trying to do everything to just give up, instead of actually being a good competitor. Because companies just try & mimic what other's are doing, instead of beating them on how intuitive, or well produced something is. The 360 to go back to it, was fucking PLAGUED with problems. But it was such a stellar ecosystem for games & playing with people that it still did very well even when the PS3 sold more consoles.

But yeah the Series X/S being outsold 2:1 is pathetic, & the PS5 isn't perfect by any means. I don't think there's any person that could take Don or Phil's place & actually steer the ship correctly or they would have been put there by now.

I feel like they realize that they're going to move off of hardware soon or try to push gaming to just cloud based. I read something that made me think of this being a possibility but video game consoles are perhaps very archaic and slowly will just die off, having needing only a television. This will most likely not happen soon but there's a possibility of it being in the near future.

Although if cloud based gaming and video game hardware being inessential are connected, I don't know.

hereforemnant posted...

This is a capitalist myth man I'm sorry. They will raise prices regardless of how competitive anything is. The only point to competition is that it might force them to innovate technologically, but we've seen game prices go up recently in that sector, while the quality isn't anywhere near apparent to justify the price.

Game Pass prices went up, PSN prices went up, NSO prices went up. Game prices went up, MTX are more present than ever before with expansion passes, battle passes, etc etc. Price leadership is what competition actually is, & it's a lie that companies actually compete the more there are. They just buy up one another instead.

69.99 price tag on games went up and everyone's following suit. Even Nintendo made Tears of the Kingdom that price.

The thing is Microsoft doesn't want to compete in the traditional sense. They don't look at Playstation and think that's where they want to be. Even Playstation is struggling to figure out how to monetize their games long term and where to demonstrate growth. Which is why they're porting their games to PC and releasing a shitload of expensive accessories and are desperate to find GAAS hits.

Microsoft's gamble was that they would become the Netflix of gaming. That it doesn't matter if people played their games on an Xbox console, PC or cloud. It does make sense but their overall problem is that people actually don't really care about playing a large library of games on a subscription. The far majority of people they are targeting are fine sticking with a GAAS title and the odd game they want to buy if that. Valve and Steam overall hit their goal in a lot more effective way than Xbox has managed to and that's even more sad considering they are mostly on Windows.

In a way their purchase of Activision was already their exit plan. If Xbox hardware and services flatlines well they can leverage all that stuff to get the growth and monthly users they want that way. They can pivot and leverage their content however they like.

the_real_Naruto posted...

I feel like they realize that they're going to move off of hardware soon or try to push gaming to just cloud based. I read something that made me think of this being a possibility but video game consoles are perhaps very archaic and slowly will just die off, having needing only a television. This will most likely not happen soon but there's a possibility of it being in the near future.

Although if cloud based gaming and video game hardware being inessential are connected, I don't know.

If they were smart they would yeah, the hardware side has been failing for them for years & years. But suits don't usually see that shit written on the wall because they only see short term, not long term. The long term is that Xbox has been dying for years. The short term is that Game Pass subscribers are high, so it can offset the problems. But none of them realize that people are also tired of subscription services & don't want there to be so many of them.

Best case they do more software & focus on PC gaming & cloud services & such since that could still be salvaged.

But yeah the prices have been increasing regardless with all these major players in the market & not having gone anywhere. Price fixing/leadership is how they compete, not by selling better products or lowering prices incrementally to undercut their competitor to drive sales.

Competition is how the FFXIV market board functions where people just don't give a fuck & will undercut your 10K gil item, by 5K, & then the bottom falls off of the value for an item instead of everyone fixing their prices all at 10K & forcing people to buy it at it's highest lmao. I know average people don't understand how capitalism works because the XIV market place in a bubble proves people do not follow how it operates & do actual competition, instead of how all major corporations in the world do it haha.

hereforemnant posted...

If they were smart they would yeah, the hardware side has been failing for them for years & years. But suits don't usually see that shit written on the wall because they only see short term, not long term. The long term is that Xbox has been dying for years. The short term is that Game Pass subscribers are high, so it can offset the problems. But none of them realize that people are also tired of subscription services & don't want there to be so many of them.

Best case they do more software & focus on PC gaming & cloud services & such since that could still be salvaged.

But yeah the prices have been increasing regardless with all these major players in the market & not having gone anywhere. Price fixing/leadership is how they compete, not by selling better products or lowering prices incrementally to undercut their competitor to drive sales.

Competition is how the FFXIV market board functions where people just don't give a fuck & will undercut your 10K gil item, by 5K, & then the bottom falls off of the value for an item instead of everyone fixing their prices all at 10K & forcing people to buy it at it's highest lmao. I know average people don't understand how capitalism works because the XIV market place in a bubble proves people do not follow how it operates & do actual competition, instead of how all major corporations in the world do it haha.

I'll sell an item worth 200k on the board and come back and there's a long line of items where its dropped down to 3k, having undercut me so much that I just stopped caring about selling.

Punished_Blinx posted...

The thing is Microsoft doesn't want to compete in the traditional sense. They don't look at Playstation and think that's where they want to be. Even Playstation is struggling to figure out how to monetize their games long term and where to demonstrate growth. Which is why they're porting their games to PC and releasing a shitload of expensive accessories and are desperate to find GAAS hits.

Microsoft's gamble was that they would become the Netflix of gaming. That it doesn't matter if people played their games on an Xbox console, PC or cloud. It does make sense but their overall problem is that people actually don't really care about playing a large library of games on a subscription. The far majority of people they are targeting are fine sticking with a GAAS title and the odd game they want to buy if that. Valve and Steam overall hit their goal in a lot more effective way than Xbox has managed to and that's even more sad considering they are mostly on Windows.

In a way their purchase of Activision was already their exit plan. If Xbox hardware and services flatlines well they can leverage all that stuff to get the growth and monthly users they want that way. They can pivot and leverage their content however they like.

Activision being their fall back is honestly hilarious given how much of a shitty situation that entire company & Blizzard are at this moment in time hahaha. OW2 a complete failure, CoD Warzone dead & people hated MW3, WoW has been mediocre for years. New ToS that will lock you out of games you bought behind their system if you don't agree to absurd arbitration & forced consent. All that money for a pile of shit.

Also exactly @the_real_Naruto .
Like yeah I'm comparing a digital marketplace with fake currency & stuff to actual real life markets & economic systems so I'm sure some people will think I'm taking the piss. But the fact that the board consistently fails to sell goods in the way that IRL companies do is what makes it so funny on it's face. They do it the right wrong way, instead of the right wrong way, if people get me.

hereforemnant posted...

Activision being their fall back is honestly hilarious given how much of a shitty situation that entire company & Blizzard are at this moment in time hahaha. OW2 a complete failure, CoD Warzone dead & people hated MW3, WoW has been mediocre for years. New ToS that will lock you out of games you bought behind their system if you don't agree to absurd arbitration & forced consent. All that money for a pile of shit.

Also exactly @the_real_Naruto .
Like yeah I'm comparing a digital marketplace with fake currency & stuff to actual real life markets & economic systems so I'm sure some people will think I'm taking the piss. But the fact that the board consistently fails to sell goods in the way that IRL companies do is what makes it so funny on it's face. They do it the right wrong way, instead of the right wrong way, if people get me.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4ba9b3e9.png

That's the only thing that talks at the end of the day.

Tencent is a fucking rot lol

tencent really makes more than sony and nintendo combined?

hereforemnant posted...

This is a capitalist myth man I'm sorry. They will raise prices regardless of how competitive anything is. The only point to competition is that it might force them to innovate technologically, but we've seen game prices go up recently in that sector, while the quality isn't anywhere near apparent to justify the price.

Game Pass prices went up, PSN prices went up, NSO prices went up. Game prices went up, MTX are more present than ever before with expansion passes, battle passes, etc etc. Price leadership is what competition actually is, & it's a lie that companies actually compete the more there are. They just buy up one another instead.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/806eed94.jpg