Current Events > Racist mfs side with the racist X-Men villain cuz of course they do

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Its raw copium, we see it hapoen all the time whem people consumed this media as kids then become adults and don't want to believe these themes were there the whole time.

Its raw copium, we see it hapoen all the time whem people consumed this media as kids then become adults and don't want to believe these themes were there the whole time.

I saw some right wing forum in my country complaining about the left being so censor happy soon theyll ban a certain cartoon.

Certain cartoon btw:
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/61dea670.jpg
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Why the fuck would a right winger watch this?

Isn't there a 'Hitler' character?

Perhaps they see him as the hero.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/b2d15346.jpg
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Hes made out as a faker and a loser constantly though. Guess they can relate to him.

The X-men are depicted as marginalized, but it's weird that they're depicted that way. People with those powers would probably more likely get an MCU experience: a lot would be celebrities, or tech giant CEOs, many could make bank with their powers in a capitalist society, most dictators would be extremely powerful mutants, there'd be a shit ton of mutants within the wealthiest 1%.

Captain America, Spiderman, and Batman have all had recent movie plotlines of being a wanted criminal because they're vigilantes operating outside the justice system. But when that same plotline happens to the X-men, it's supposed to mean a different thing, and the analogy they're trying to make doesn't really hold.

they have traditionally been different universes. There is a bit of oddness that comes from the MCU trying to merge the two. It actually doesn't align well

I saw some right wing forum in my country complaining about the left being so censor happy soon theyll ban a certain cartoon.

Certain cartoon btw:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/feec5bd7.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/61dea670.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/6004142c.jpg

Why the fuck would a right winger watch this?

they have traditionally been different universes. There is a bit of oddness that comes from the MCU trying to merge the two. It actually doesn't align well

Um, no. Traditionally, they've existed in the same universe for decades.

they are literally going to be coming in from a different universe (this/next) year? Perhaps I am wrong, but have they crossed over at all in any of the other MCU movies/shows (except like in the latest Dr. Strange when they literally came from another universe). The MCU as we've seen it in every other movie (in this era) has had no allusions to mutants or any of that politics at all. Which is why it would be kind of weird (unless they are going to wave it off as they are coming in from a different universe)

they are literally going to be coming in from a different universe (this/next) year? Perhaps I am wrong, but have they crossed over at all in any of the other MCU movies/shows (except like in the latest Dr. Strange when they literally came from another universe). The MCU as we've seen it in every other movie (in this era) has had no allusions to mutants or any of that politics at all. Which is why it would be kind of weird (unless they are going to wave it off as they are coming in from a different universe)

they are literally going to be coming in from a different universe (this/next) year? Perhaps I am wrong, but have they crossed over at all in any of the other MCU movies/shows (except like in the latest Dr. Strange when they literally came from another universe). The MCU as we've seen it in every other movie (in this era) has had no allusions to mutants or any of that politics at all. Which is why it would be kind of weird (unless they are going to wave it off as they are coming in from a different universe)

We're talking comics, not movies.

they have traditionally been different universes. There is a bit of oddness that comes from the MCU trying to merge the two. It actually doesn't align well

Lol wut?

616 is the designation given to the main universe in both the comics and the MCU. And the mutants are very much apart of the main comic continuity.

"Xmen are just like PoC" is always good for a laugh

They're literally walking nukes in many cases

616 was a dumb lucky guess by mysterio. MCU is actually Earth-199999

they are literally going to be coming in from a different universe (this/next) year? Perhaps I am wrong, but have they crossed over at all in any of the other MCU movies/shows (except like in the latest Dr. Strange when they literally came from another universe). The MCU as we've seen it in every other movie (in this era) has had no allusions to mutants or any of that politics at all. Which is why it would be kind of weird (unless they are going to wave it off as they are coming in from a different universe)

But a dude who can wipe out all life on the planet within secconds if he chose to? You're saying it's prejudice to safeguard that?

You guys know that like 75% of the superheroes in the Marvel universe aren't subjugated to extreme prejudice because of their powers like the X-Men are, right? Lol

Who is saying this?

As has been stated in this topic..

The only point people are making is mutants and real life marginalized groups are not an apples to apples comparison.

They really should not be compared to bigotry against black, Asian, Latinos, LGBT, etc as the same.

No one at least that I can see (tbf I only skimmed the topic) is saying bigotry is okay.

Nobody has been able to explain why they can't be compared, other than "A select few mutants are dangerous," so, uh...

Would you like to give it a try?

Would you like to be the one who makes an argument for why it's okay to be prejudiced against an entire group based on the actions of a select few?

Yeah this has always bugged me about the X-Men

Mutants really aren't a good allegory for any real life group.

In X-Men 2, Xavier (Major Spoilers)

Almost wipes out all mutant life on the planet in seconds. Then moments later almost wipes out all non mutant humans on the planet in seconds. Xavier isn't even a bad guy he was just drugged and still almost commited global genocide in a matter of seconds.

That's beyond "walking nuke"

And Xavier isn't even the only mutant who has those powers.

Gay people or women or black people or Muslims or Gingers oe left handed people or transgenders or little people don't have the ability to wipe out the entire population of the planet in seconds if they chose too.

It doesn't really gel.

It's stupid to be afraid of or curtail rights for a gay dude because he's the same as you. That's just your own vulgar prejudice.

But a dude who can wipe out all life on the planet within secconds if he chose to? You're saying it's prejudice to safeguard that?

Earth-199999 was the previous designation.

It's officially 616.

It's covered in The Marvel Cinematic Universe An Official Timelinebook and mentioned in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness

Nobody has been able to explain why they can't be compared, other than "A select few mutants are dangerous," so, uh...

They actually have. It doesn't matter if you are gay, trans, Black, white, Latino, Russian, or Australian. All humans are capable of the same thing.

In the case of mutants, it's not an apples to apples comparison to real non fictional marginalized people. Black people are not and cannot be born with the innate ability to conjure a hurricane or melt ourselves into a puddle or whatever random lottery magical abilities.

Mutants are capable of any random lottery magical abilities that can range from harmless to apocalyptic scale.
Humans in the real world no matter your creed are not born with innate magical abilities that can range from harmless to apocalyptic.

What's being confused here is thinking the above means someone is saying bigotry is okay.

They actually have. It doesn't matter if you are gay, trans, Black, white, Latino, Russian, or Australian. All humans are capable of the same thing.

In the case of mutants, it's not an apples to apples comparison to real non fictional marginalized people. Black people are not and cannot be born with the innate ability to conjure a hurricane or melt ourselves into a puddle or whatever random lottery magical abilities.

Mutants are capable of any random lottery magical abilities that can range from harmless to apocalyptic scale.
Humans in the real world no matter your creed are not born with innate magical abilities that can range from harmless to apocalyptic.

What's being confused here is thinking the above means someone is saying bigotry is okay.

Some humans have more access to guns, organized violence, and so on than others, so... Seems like a pretty apt comparison? I fail to see how "This guy has easy access to guns and a network to a group that can cause widespread violence" is any different than "This mutant has a power that can cause widespread violence."

Also, I hope you aren't claiming I said bigotry is okay.

Some humans have more access to guns, organized violence, and so on than others, so... Seems like a pretty apt comparison? I

Basically, how does Mutant Girl Y, whose literal only power is having green skin, deserve to be hated, just because some other mutant somewhere COULD hurt people, if they wanted?

If tomorrow 10% of French people suddenly had the power to destroy all life on Earth within seconds if they chose to, you believe it would be predjudice and racism to react to that in anyway?

If none of them acted on it?

Xavier DID act on it.

And to make matters worse, it was because some dude drugged him. So literally anyone could have made Xavier act on it, just like 2 different people did.

That's literally one story,

So literally anyone could have made Xavier act on it, just like 2 different people did.

lmao this guy literally coming out here saying "We should hate people based on the idea that somebody could make them be violent"

In effect, you are, by arguing "It's okay to hate an entire group of people IF Person X ____."

Literally no one said this.

All you dudes have is bizarre strawmen.

There needs to be safeguards, a list perhaps of the dangerous individuals who can destroy the planet in 10 seconds after having a bad day.
Not all mutants -- I don't care about "Kat Fluffins the 3rd" who can turn into a giant fucking bunny rabbit, and loves raw carrots. Let them do Children's parties for all I care.

I do care about the one who can destroy a country in 5 seconds, I want a damn list...
Or do you believe that humans should be able to buy Nuclear warheads totally anonymously? Because some mutants can make Nukes look like firecrackers.

According to these dudes it would be racist if we prevented people from having nuclear warheads in the palm of their hand that within seconds could end life on the planet.

Instead we just have to hope they chose nor to use them and are never manipulated or drugged or misled by anyone else.

But they can't explain how, they can just say horrible things no one said and then say those horrible statements are bad....

It's fucking bizarre. All just because they can't admit that the allegory is off.

Somebody buying a nuke is their choice and their action. You 100% judge somebody based on their choices and actions.

Somebody being born a mutant is NOT a choice, just like being born black or gay.

Why can't you seem to answer that?

The whole They are minority stand-ins fails when you affirm the real life historical racism by making the oppressed group ACTUALLY different and stronger than a normal human.

Real life bigots assume that of people who arent different.