Board 8 > Dragon's Dogma 2 currently at 'Mostly Negative' on Steam

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Baldur's Gate 3's issues were mostly localized to the late game. Even at launch you could go through that game for dozens of hours with minimal problems.

But also I think DD2 is a more acceptable target for people looking to get mad than prestigious games like Baldur's Gate, RE4, and Monster Hunter. It's a follow up to a cult hit that a lot of fresh people are trying out for the first time and having issues with, or viewing it as overhyped. What's more, the game has design elements that are deliberately hostile to the player. The save checkpointing and lack of a new game feature, while they might have some oversights in implementation, definitely stem from Choices the devs made. This probably isnt true for the micro transactions, but people are just assuming it is anyways.

https://twitter.com/TheSphereHunter/status/1771187839906033912

You can't convince me that this situation isn't a harassment campaign when shit like this is happening.

Yeah, there's been a lot of hate regarding her, Asmongold, and other streamers having official pawns in the game. I think I've seen more directed at Asmongold than the others.

The worst type of "people" who definitely weren't playing the game anyways have certainly started to latch onto all this for clicks.

MacArrowny posted...

Yeah, there's been a lot of hate regarding her, Asmongold, and other streamers having official pawns in the game. I think I've seen more directed at Asmongold than the others.

Asmongold is a bit of a different situation than the rest, and not a conversation I want to start in earnest. I will say though he may have the most actual fans mad at him.

Asmongold is trash, but that doesn't excuse it! He's still a person who has nothing to do with any of this.

kevwaffles posted...

https://twitter.com/TheSphereHunter/status/1771187839906033912

You can't convince me that this situation isn't a harassment campaign when shit like this is happening.

The fact that they didn't pay the influencers is the actual most fucked up thing here, but something tells me that's not going to be a big focus of the haters.

Also interesting who got told there'd be micro transactions and who didn't, I've seen people who got review codes say they knew, they just didn't give a shit. So the conspiracy theory Capcom hid them behind embargo for better reviews is also false
https://twitter.com/PatStaresAt/status/1771167487721361644?t=paT7QIUcCYlsvTVJuuBEXg&s=19

I guess the question for Capcom is whether the inclusion of these MTX is worth the negative press they get for it.

When was the last time they actually got bad press for it? The major examples I can think of are from the very early days of mtx over a decade ago like RE5 and MvC3.

Publishers adding microtransactions after launch to avoid reviews mentioning them has been a pretty common practice in AAA gaming space, so I have no clue why morons would think the reviewers are just shilling for these practices.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Asmongold is trash, but that doesn't excuse it! He's still a person who has nothing to do with any of this.

It wouldn't, no. I just don't know how much flak he's gotten is actually about this and not stuff predating it.

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

When was the last time they actually got bad press for it? The major examples I can think of are from the very early days of mtx over a decade ago like RE5 and MvC3.

DMC5, as mentioned in this topic. There was some of that around RE4make too, though not to the same extent.

Those were mentioned multiple times in this topic as non-issues. They were not big news.

These things frequently fly totally under the radar. Infinite Wealth is Sega but another example of a game that just came out and had them and it was total crickets apart from some grumbling over the preorder jobs.

Yeah, they were non-issues, but DMC5 at least still got review-bombed for having them at first. Infinite Wealth did too.

MacArrowny posted...

Yeah, they were non-issues, but DMC5 at least still got review-bombed for having them at first. Infinite Wealth did too.

I love IW, but they actually locked NG+ behind DLC. It's so much more valid to criticize that.

If it had just been the Big Swell itself then maybe that would have been worth something. Having done it though, that shit is overpriced for what you get.

Also you say "review bombed" but actually DD2 almost has twice as many Steam reviews as IW already. Like I would expect way more in its lifetime for sure but it hasn't been out for 24 hours yet.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Gamers being tired of unethical garbage like microtransactions is not harassment.

I know you don't actually read these things before commenting so just sit this one out.

Already a great sign when there are a bunch of invisible posts in a row in a topic like this.

'I read the tweet in full. I want receipts and screenshots proving an actual harassment campaign, not some random tweets from people with 2 followers and no profile picture. She didnt even provide that much.'
It's a Youtuber with like half a million subs, I don't think it's a stretch to believe that they get some harassing comments on youtube.

I don't know if I'd say it's some sort of targeted campaign, but DD just seems like the type of game that attracts that particular subset of gamers that love to be outraged by things and attack people that don't agree.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I read the tweet in full. I want receipts and screenshots proving an actual harassment campaign, not some random tweets from people with 2 followers and no profile picture. She didnt even provide that much.

Where is the targeted campaign? I want to see it and Ill be happy to admit Im wrong if it exists.

I'm not your fucking butler, but she literally has a profile picture. You don't have to click anything to see that. You're just making shit up.

Also I picked this because its the first one I saw. It's not isolated to one person.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I read the tweet in full. I want receipts and screenshots proving an actual harassment campaign, not some random tweets from people with 2 followers and no profile picture. She didnt even provide that much.

Where is the targeted campaign? I want to see it and Ill be happy to admit Im wrong if it exists.

She literally has a profile picture and is a pretty big and respected name in the YouTube gaming space. She's also trustworthy. If she says she's being harassed, she's being harassed.

UltimaterializerX posted...

https://youtu.be/jMlHW2cXZlI?si=w5VsFbLhzJ2_c-Gj

Theres her video for reference. I havent gone through all the comments yet, but so far I havent seen anything egregious. Theres less than 1,000, so it shouldnt be hard to find. Just some light this wont age well stuff mixed with complaints about microtransactions not being mentioned. Most comments are talking about how pretty she is (which is definitely true) and how good the video is. Im on mobile so I cant tell if its being bombed with dislikes.

Were the harassing comments deleted? Are they all on Twitter? I really do want to know where and when this campaign happened.

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Ulti, you pick some weird hills.

Between this and the Late Night With the Devil AI art outrage, I'm exhausted of all of this overreactive anger to issues.

Like yeah, microtransactions suck, but we don't need to get up in arms at these completely unobtrusive ones. People just see some kind of issue and fly off the handle any time it's being used, even if it's being used in the most reasonable way it can be. If people want to drop a ton of real life money to get faster progress in their single player game, go for it. But why are we wasting all of this energy and anger on it when we could be on the issues that are so much worse for other games?

People just want to be angry and feel like they're accomplishing something by being bitter and shitty online. It's so tired.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Is it confirmed this stuff can be unlocked in game? If so then the only one to really be angry over is the save file thing. That is awful.

Yes, everyone is posting on Twitter that's actually played the game instead of throwing a fit online is saying that they can easily afford things when they need it, including the character appearance modifier.

I mean it is still kinda scummy that Capcom sees a way to take advantage to make a quick buck on something that you can get easily in game, apparently some things so easily that why even have it as a micro transaction? Just to suck a little extra money out from a single player game, and yea it's not only DD2 that's done it. But I think it helps highlight that it's a shady practice regardless.

People going after the influencers whose only involvement is getting an "official" pawn and getting to play the game is dumb though

AAA gaming is expensive and if they take money from people willing to spend even more on their game for things they don't actually need to pay for but are willing to, then what is the problem here? Why is it shady? Save it for real cases of microtransaction abuse instead of leveling it at a game like this, because people take it less seriously when it's actually a major issue.

Bane_Of_Despair posted...

I mean it is still kinda scummy that Capcom sees a way to take advantage to make a quick buck on something that you can get easily in game, apparently some things so easily that why even have it as a micro transaction? Just to suck a little extra money out from a single player game, and yea it's not only DD2 that's done it. But I think it helps highlight that it's a shady practice regardless.

It's shady, but it isn't predatory, and I think that's a fairly big distinction to make with how dire monetization can get. By all accounts this is one of the unobtrusive examples

KamikazePotato posted...

More research has shown that you can change your character's appearance in-game. Have to buy an item using in-game currency at major cities. The currency can be acquired either through doing stuff in-game (or through microtransactions, lol). That's a lot better than appearance changing being solely locked to microtransactions.

That was how it worked in the original game as well. Though you could start a new game and it would just delete/overwrite your existing save file.

Portcrystal - Warp Location Marker
Obtain a Portcrystal, which can be set at a destination of your choice. Use a Ferrystone to instantly transport your party to the Portcrystal's location.
Wakestone - Restore the dead to life!
Gain one Wakestone, a stone ensorceled with miraculous magick. Formed of Wakestone shards, it holds the power to restore the dead to life once.
[X] Rift Crystals - Points to Spend Beyond the Rift
Gain [X] rift crystals, which can be used to hire pawns or purchase special items.

None of these DLCs sound egregious either. All those things are going to be available in game as well, it's just paying to make things slightly easier/have more currency/have one additional fast travel point.

Didn't verify but I saw some people say it's not even an "additional" fast travel point. It gives you an early boost, but you still hit a total cap and end up with an unusable extra stone if you then collect every in-game one.

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Didn't verify but I saw some people say it's not even an "additional" fast travel point. It gives you an early boost, but you still hit a total cap and end up with an unusable extra stone if you then collect every in-game one.

I guess I can see where that would still be convenient but man I hope it's cheap.

They just confirmed they're going to add an easier way to reset your save file in-game on PC. Consoles will just need to delete their file as usual. To clarify, you could always reset your save on PC but I guess we're entering a level of either technological incompetence or uncharitable arguments (or both) where disabling cloud saves and using a file explorer is considered too high of a bar for most users.

Xiahou_Shake posted...

The Enigma situation is almost entirely manufactured outrage set off by a particularly poorly timed patch for one game. It's not a response to the Chun-Li situation and has been in a ton of Capcom's games long before the internet decided to make a row about it.

had to check on this one.
didn't know it was there before the chun li situation though it does look like their usage went up afterwards. still, you're right in that it was used before. but i wouldn't call it "manufactured outrage" though, Revelations and Rise were the two notable patches which added it that broke Steam Deck compatibility and this was in back to back weeks. that's less manufactured and more just a case of they implemented it poorly and then had to fix it the next day. mods are trickier in that some broke, some didn't, and the ones that didn't just found another workaround. in terms of performance, that's something it can't help but impact, though how much you'll feel is different considering a lot of the older catalog doesn't need much by modern standards.

all that said, it's still the reason why Capcom games get review bombed. even if it's misinformation, it had a very real origination point, Enigma's response was awful, and people don't like DRM. also true that it's pretty shitty at its job and pirates win again so hey~

Just because it's not as genuinely awful as there being no way to get it easily in game still shouldn't mean letting slide, with no criticism, putting in needless microtransactions lol yall are funny, this is how shit gets normalized

Xiahou_Shake posted...

To clarify, you could always reset your save on PC but I guess we're entering a level of either technological incompetence or uncharitable arguments (or both) where disabling cloud saves and using a file explorer is considered too high of a bar for most users.

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect to have a way to reset your progress ingame without referring to forums. A new game button is a pretty basic feature and shouldn't require workarounds.

Edit: Hell, this sort of goes back to a big criticism of DD1- no way to have multiple save files without workarounds. Sure you can go in and manually back up your files but you really should have just had 3~ save slots to begin with. It's obtuse design.

Incredibly weird not to have it on launch yeah, but nothing close to worth the reaction some people are having over it.

oh yeah, the microtransaction stuff.
honestly sounds like what it's doing is locking certain notable quality of life changes behind paid microtransactions and that's ultimately where it breaks. it's one thing to pay to get a leg up, it's another when it's paying gets you something a person can't do where it gets dumb. but if they're fixing the character creator stuff, good. don't know how the rest of it works so generally staying out of it. personally i have a no denuvo policy so i'm legit not gonna be involved with the game until they get rid of it in 6 months to a year so i'm far from relevant on that discussion, everything will be fixed by then.

Xiahou_Shake posted...

They just confirmed they're going to add an easier way to reset your save file in-game on PC. Consoles will just need to delete their file as usual. To clarify, you could always reset your save on PC but I guess we're entering a level of either technological incompetence or uncharitable arguments (or both) where disabling cloud saves and using a file explorer is considered too high of a bar for most users.

Why would you expect the average user to know they have to disable Steam Cloud Saves to start a new game?

Wanglicious posted...

honestly sounds like what it's doing is locking certain notable quality of life changes behind paid microtransactions and that's ultimately where it breaks. it's one thing to pay to get a leg up, it's another when it's paying gets you something a person can't do where it gets dumb.

To clarify, these are the exact same types of microtransactions that have been in critical/community darlings such as DMC5, RE2 Remake, RE4 Remake and in fact almost every Capcom game in recent years - they're all nothing more than "pay $2 to get something you can easily get in-game with minimal/zero effort." There's no quality of life being gated nor even really a leg up being gained - I'm not going to say it's not stupid that these microtransactions even exist given how stupid and wasteful they are, but they're so easily and laughably ignorable that it almost feels like they're always added just to check a box to please executives without actually hurting the games in any way.

MacArrowny posted...

Why would you expect the average user to know they have to disable Steam Cloud Saves to start a new game?

Well if there's no "new game" button then naturally you'd just delete your save file manually if you wanted to start completely fresh. Upon doing so, Steam will explicitly tell you that it's realigning your save to match the cloud save upon your next boot, so... it doesn't seem like a hard thing to figure out to me!

I am a bit confused about why DD is getting all this attention, but Infinite Wealth skated by with basically the same type of microtransactions

MoogleKupo141 posted...

I am a bit confused about why DD is getting all this attention, but Infinite Wealth skated by with basically the same type of microtransactions

I legitimately think it's just that DD has bad performance and people are using all this other stuff as further proof that "game bad" - otherwise all the other Capcom games I mentioned - and yes, Infinite Wealth as well - should have received a similar face full of flack. Heck, infinite Wealth is actually significantly worse in that regard since it's blatantly pulling character classes, NG+ and the only post-game dungeon out to be sold separately.

Xiahou_Shake posted...

To clarify, these are the exact same types of microtransactions that have been in critical/community darlings such as DMC5, RE2 Remake, RE4 Remake and in fact almost every Capcom game in recent years - they're all nothing more than "pay $2 to get something you can easily get in-game with minimal/zero effort." There's no quality of life being gated nor even really a leg up being gained - I'm not going to say it's not stupid that these microtransactions even exist given how stupid and wasteful they are, but they're so easily and laughably ignorable that it almost feels like they're always added just to check a box to please executives without actually hurting the games in any way.

i think the only two i'm specifically meaning are the character creator and maybe fast travel one. the rest feels like free orbs or free potions which yeah who cares about that, those are the 'leg up' ones. but even if it takes under half an hour to do, if it's a change of something right at the beginning or on creation, it's notable as saying it's something you could do but didn't. of course, if the fast travel one isn't relevant at that point of the game then nevermind there. it's just the main other one i've seen a decent amount of complaining for.

edit:
but i do agree with the later point you made on performance being the real issue. i also do have major issues with Infinite Wealth locking NG+ behind DLC, that's an instant "not buying this shit" for me.

IW got a lot of backlash early on for ng+ being gated behind a paywall (there were a lot of articles and angry discussion about it), it was just less of a perfect storm because the game ran fine and the locked content was all endgame shit. the consumables basically just broke your inventory forever because it gave so much too lol

Xiahou_Shake posted...

Heck, infinite Wealth is actually significantly worse in that regard since it's blatantly pulling character classes, NG+ and the only post-game dungeon out to be sold separately.

those jobs were free with a preorder, so everyone playing day 1 wasn't complaining about them because they had them for free