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Mr_Karate_II
03/22/24 10:14:56 PM
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He's still a crybaby bitch

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StealThisSheen
03/22/24 10:19:59 PM
#202:


Vigero posted...
lol at the still poor moderating.

You couldn't help but give yourself away as a routinely banned reddit crybaby, could you?

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CSCA33
03/22/24 10:21:57 PM
#203:


Vigero posted...
Again - people in this topic that have done no research into the case whatsoever and try to manipulate narratives for their own purposes
Like how youre trying to spin the actions of the gun toting shooter/murderer who went looking for trouble as legit self defense

Nobody worth their salt would point to this dude as a good example of exercising self defense, its fucking stupid

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Toonstrack
03/22/24 10:28:21 PM
#204:


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3e0ad1dc.jpg

Self defense means you were attacked and then you defended yourself.

How many people did Kyle attack before he was attacked? Zero.

What did he do when he was attacked? Run away.

If someone attacks me, I run away, am chased, get kncoked over, turn around and finally fight back, yeah.... thats self defense. Open and shut.

And btw George zimmerman is a great example! He's guilty asf and should be in prison for life. Know what he did? Found a kid, profiled him; chased him down and attacked him. Trayvon fought back too. If he'd have won that fight, and killed zimmerman; it'd be open and shut self defense.

Same scenario.

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CSCA33
03/22/24 10:33:03 PM
#205:


Rittenhouse is a great example to use for teaching self defense if you wanted to show what not to do. Talk about poor life choices

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CSCA33
03/22/24 10:39:30 PM
#206:


People defending rittenhouse probably think stand your ground laws make for good open and shut self defense too. Just making a mockery of real self defense.

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Umbreon
03/22/24 10:55:46 PM
#207:


CSCA33 posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/d98162db.jpg


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ClayGuida
03/22/24 10:59:00 PM
#208:


Toonstrack posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3e0ad1dc.jpg

Self defense means you were attacked and then you defended yourself.

How many people did Kyle attack before he was attacked? Zero.

What did he do when he was attacked? Run away.

If someone attacks me, I run away, am chased, get kncoked over, turn around and finally fight back, yeah.... thats self defense. Open and shut.

And btw George zimmerman is a great example! He's guilty asf and should be in prison for life. Know what he did? Found a kid, profiled him; chased him down and attacked him. Trayvon fought back too. If he'd have won that fight, and killed zimmerman; it'd be open and shut self defense.

Same scenario.
He shot someone, so a crowd chased him. He was an active shooter at that point.

Do we want good guys to tackle armed gunmen involved in a shooting or not.

You can't play this good guy with a gun narrative then throw it out the window when there's an active shooter who will claim they were a victim. These people saw a man shoot another man, chased after him to disarm the situation. He then shot other people.

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ssb_yunglink2
03/22/24 11:07:24 PM
#209:


for rittenhouse defenders, how do you reconcile the fact that he showed up to a protest with a fucking rifle?

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MabusIncarnate
03/22/24 11:11:09 PM
#210:


That little fucking bitch sought out conflict, anyone still claiming "self defense" is a vacant-skulled moron. Seeing the users claiming this pretty much tracks regardless.

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MC_BatCommander
03/22/24 11:12:20 PM
#211:


ssb_yunglink2 posted...
for rittenhouse defenders, how do you reconcile the fact that he showed up to a protest with a fucking rifle?

They can't, they knew he was there in the hopes he'd get to shoot someone

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itachi15243
03/22/24 11:24:33 PM
#212:


Man, it still amazes me that this literal fucking mass shooter is basically a celebrity.

And I genuinely hope his 15 minutes are up. He's such a peace of shit. I hope he continues to get fucking destroyed.

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Toonstrack
03/22/24 11:45:04 PM
#213:


CSCA33 posted...
People defending rittenhouse probably think stand your ground laws make for good open and shut self defense too. Just making a mockery of real self defense.

Well no stand your ground laws just get applied to situations where you didnt even have to stand your ground, its basically licdnse to shoot someone for any reason whether or not legitimate. That's not what were discussing.

Were discussing someone who was randomly attacked by two individuals he never met who explicitly stated their intent to kill him, and ran away until given no choice to but defend his life. It achieves every prerequisite for self defense imaginable, objectively.

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ssb_yunglink2
03/22/24 11:48:12 PM
#214:


Toonstrack posted...
Well no stand your ground laws just get applied to situations where you didnt even have to stand your ground, its basically licdnse to shoot someone for any reason whether or not legitimate. That's not what were discussing.

Were discussing someone who was randomly attacked by two individuals he never met who explicitly stated their intent to kill him, and ran away until given no choice to but defend his life. It achieves every prerequisite for self defense imaginable, objectively.
Why did he show up to the protest with a rifle? Do you believe that people carry rifles in public with no intention to use them?

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Toonstrack
03/22/24 11:51:08 PM
#215:


ssb_yunglink2 posted...
Why did he show up to the protest with a rifle?

Whole bunch of people including legitimate protectors were exercising their rights that night. Thankfully those two guys who attacked him weren't.

Do you believe that people carry rifles in public with no intention to use them?

Depending where you're at, yes.

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Dark_Arbron
03/22/24 11:53:01 PM
#217:


Toonstrack posted...
Whole bunch of people including legitimate protectors were exercising their rights that night.

Just like shangyboos, it's obvious that the real reason you're on Rittenhouse's side here is because you disagree with the protestors (wonder why). Just admit it.

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Toonstrack
03/22/24 11:55:39 PM
#218:


Dark_Arbron posted...
Just like shangyboos, it's obvious that the real reason you're on Rittenhouse's side here is because you disagree with the protestors (wonder why). Just admit it.

I DONT disagree with the protestors at all. All that stuff that happened happened because a cop murdered an unarmed black man and it got caught on video. Without these protests showing the will of the people he may well have gotten away with that murder. Not acceptable.

Im against guns in general but any one of the protectors who were carrying i fully understand why given the situation.

I have nothing to admit to lol.

I was a poster back when it was happening, and if folks like you hadn't gotten 261 nuked from orbit, it would be obvious where I stood then too. Nothing changed, the protests were the people expressing discontent that the police system is used to abuse a marginalized community, of which I am a part of, frequently and without consequence.

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Zwijn
03/23/24 1:41:53 AM
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Its not just self defense. You do not show up as a protest dressed like that without the intent of looking for trouble, but maybe Im too Euro to understand this. I dont believe people who even own a gun like that are normal people.
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RaptorLC
03/23/24 1:52:04 AM
#221:


ClayGuida posted...
He shot someone, so a crowd chased him. He was an active shooter at that point.

Do we want good guys to tackle armed gunmen involved in a shooting or not.

You can't play this good guy with a gun narrative then throw it out the window when there's an active shooter who will claim they were a victim. These people saw a man shoot another man, chased after him to disarm the situation. He then shot other people.

That's actually a really good point. There was one of those fabled "good guys with a gun" at that event. It was Gaige Grosskreutz. He responded to the active shooter and had the shooter in his sights, then froze. Fair play, it should be really hard to take a human life, so I definitely can't fault him for being unable to do so. He came to that realization at the absolute worst possible time though, right after having announced himself as a threat to the active shooter who had already proven that he was very willing to end a human life.

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Toonstrack
03/23/24 1:56:51 AM
#222:


Zwijn posted...
Its not just self defense. You do not show up as a protest dressed like that without the intent of looking for trouble, but maybe Im too Euro to understand this. I dont believe people who even own a gun like that are normal people.

Yeah this is a culture difference here.

Here in America in certain places you can walk around with a gun anywhere you want.

It's insane but thats how it is.

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Toonstrack
03/23/24 2:09:08 AM
#223:


ClayGuida posted...
He shot someone, so a crowd chased him. He was an active shooter at that point.

He was chased before he was shot; by Rosenbaum, who actually, according to witnesses, encountered him earlier and threatened his life while he was standing with another guy. Rosenbaum was also described as challenging random people to shoot at him and yelling racial slurs at others all night.

It was the second encounter when Rosenbaum began to chase Kyle with the other guy he was with, Kyle would running heard a shot ring out and assumed it was directed towards him(a shot WAS fired but it was evidently into the air, the guy who shot it was charged and I believe convicted for mishandling a firearm) so he dropped, turned around and fired.

After this he was chased again, by individuals lacking context for the situation. He was not even the first active shooter there.

Do we want good guys to tackle armed gunmen involved in a shooting or not.

I never claimed to be a supporter of rhe good guy with a gun narrative, and I'm still not. Its a myth, always has been, and is rarely ever effective at deterrent or threat removal.
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Turducken
03/23/24 2:12:57 AM
#224:


Toonstrack posted...
Whole bunch of people including legitimate protectors were exercising their rights that night. Thankfully those two guys who attacked him weren't.

Why thankfully?

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ItsChristian
03/23/24 2:13:54 AM
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Lmfao. I hope he has a very miserable time for the rest of his life.
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Dark_Arbron
03/23/24 2:14:49 AM
#226:


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Again, a functional justice system would have called his actions premeditated murder, not self defence. Context is important. He wasnt some guy just minding his own business when suddenly protestors kicked his door down.

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Toonstrack
03/23/24 2:15:49 AM
#227:


Turducken posted...
Why thankfully?

Because those guys were described as being violent and dangerous all night, and they would've not only killed Kyle but possibly others. The one guy in particular had an extended criminal record with heinous crimes, alledgedly shouted racial slurs at people that night and was described by various eyewitnesses to be instigating conflicts with everyone he encountered. We'd be having a very different discussion if he wss the one with a gun.

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Dark_Arbron
03/23/24 2:16:29 AM
#228:


Toonstrack posted...
Because those guys were described as being violent and dangerous all night, and they would've not only killed Kyle but possibly others. The one guy in particular had an extended criminal record with heinous crimes, alledgedly shouted racial slurs at people that night and was described by various eyewitnesses to be instigating conflicts all night. We'd be having a very different discussion if he wss the one with a gun.

Entire cities burned, right?

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Toonstrack
03/23/24 2:17:36 AM
#229:


Dark_Arbron posted...
Entire cities burned, right?

No lol. Entire cities never burned. That was right wing propaganda

Anyways, I'm going to bed for the evening and I honestly don't wanna drone on about this longer. Kyles still a clown and deserves what happened at whatever the press thing was.

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Turducken
03/23/24 2:26:18 AM
#230:


Toonstrack posted...
Because those guys were described as being violent and dangerous all night, and they would've not only killed Kyle but possibly others.

It's a good thing Rittenhouse had a gun so he could definitely kill multiple people, and a good thing they didn't because they might have killed someone? It's a fine thing they were killed because they were potentially violent, and a good thing Rittenhouse wasn't even though he's basking in the blood of his victims to this day.

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Toonstrack
03/23/24 2:28:21 AM
#231:


Turducken posted...
It's a good thing Rittenhouse had a gun

Didn't say that.

It's a fine thing they were killed because they were potentially violent,

Didn't say that.

Neither of them should've had guns, and Rittenhouse shouldve been convicted on the gun charges. I've said this for years.

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Kradek
03/23/24 3:40:26 AM
#232:


RaptorLC posted...
That's actually a really good point. There was one of those fabled "good guys with a gun" at that event. It was Gaige Grosskreutz. He responded to the active shooter and had the shooter in his sights, then froze. Fair play, it should be really hard to take a human life, so I definitely can't fault him for being unable to do so. He came to that realization at the absolute worst possible time though, right after having announced himself as a threat to the active shooter who had already proven that he was very willing to end a human life.

Yeah, it drives me crazy how his defenders always want us to think about the situation from his perspective, however never talk about considering it from the perspective of the crowd.

I still remember the initial reporting on Twitter talking about how it was an "active mass shooting situation" after he took the first life. From the crowd's perspective, they saw a guy with a gun standing over a body and assumed he had just murdered someone. In response to that, they charged him so they could disarm him and he shot more people in "legal self-defense".

His defenders pretend as though there's a 30mi telepathic message sent whenever someone justifiably shoots someone that lets everyone in the vicinity know that it was a legally justified shooting.

No, that's not how it works. The crowd thought they were doing a noble thing by trying to charge and disarm him. The law might be on this side due to the actual circumstances, however it's not like they were trying to murder him just cause he was a right-winger with a gun, as I've seen other people posit.

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GranAures
03/23/24 4:41:04 AM
#233:


Imagine running in to defend a racism enabling gift bitch like Rittenhouse and getting so upset at them calling him a racism enabling gift bitch that you try to falsely cry that political discussion isn't allowed.

All because your known political stances would see you back in purg so you need to invent rules to cry that your unfairly moderated instead of just leaving a site you so clearly hate.

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CrimsonGear80
03/23/24 5:04:13 AM
#234:


Toonstrack posted...
Self defense means you were attacked and then you defended yourself.

perhaps he was "attacked" because he walked up to people with a fucking assault rifle in his hands???

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03/23/24 5:06:51 AM
#235:


K181 posted...
I'm still expecting some deep red douchebag district to elect him to congress in a few years.
He'll run on a double ticket with Ethan Couch (the 'affluenza' bitch).

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ai123
03/23/24 5:14:57 AM
#236:


Zwijn posted...
Its not just self defense. You do not show up as a protest dressed like that without the intent of looking for trouble, but maybe Im too Euro to understand this. I dont believe people who even own a gun like that are normal people.
Same, I guess.

When I see that picture of Rittenhouse, it looks to me like someone who is about to go on a killing spree.

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Tmaster148
03/23/24 6:37:11 AM
#237:


What I gathered is it's fine for someone to kill others over thought crime.

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DnDer
03/23/24 8:00:10 AM
#238:


Vigero posted...
That's where this piece comes into play.

My child... No. Just stop being wrong. Please?

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DnDer
03/23/24 8:04:41 AM
#239:


CSCA33 posted...
Rittenhouse is a great example to use for teaching self defense if you wanted to show what not to do. Talk about poor life choices

But isn't this the exact right thing to do that racist militias, or militias in general (I repeat myself), teach its brainwashed followers?

"Here's how to provoke someone into giving you a self-defense defense so you can get away with murdering them."

John Oliver had a whole episode over gun rights people learning this, and not just militias...

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DnDer
03/23/24 8:18:04 AM
#240:


Toonstrack posted...
protectors

Hahahahahaha!

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GranAures
03/23/24 8:26:07 AM
#241:


You do realize "folks like you" isnpurely on Fandom for not having politics centered communities right? Or are you going to double up on an already moderated, trill peddled, falsehood too?

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mybbqrules
03/23/24 12:14:10 PM
#243:


Toonstrack posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3e0ad1dc.jpg

Self defense means you were attacked and then you defended yourself.

How many people did Kyle attack before he was attacked? Zero.

What did he do when he was attacked? Run away.

If someone attacks me, I run away, am chased, get kncoked over, turn around and finally fight back, yeah.... thats self defense. Open and shut.

And btw George zimmerman is a great example! He's guilty asf and should be in prison for life. Know what he did? Found a kid, profiled him; chased him down and attacked him. Trayvon fought back too. If he'd have won that fight, and killed zimmerman; it'd be open and shut self defense.

Same scenario.
Quick question: would Kyle Rittenhouse have had to defend himself if he had stayed home that night? Yes or no?

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Zwijn
03/23/24 12:15:55 PM
#244:


mybbqrules posted...
Quick question: would Kyle Rittenhouse have had to defend himself if he had stayed home that night? Yes or no?
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mybbqrules
03/23/24 12:19:38 PM
#245:


Toonstrack posted...
I DONT disagree with the protestors at all. All that stuff that happened happened because a cop murdered an unarmed black man and it got caught on video. Without these protests showing the will of the people he may well have gotten away with that murder. Not acceptable.

Im against guns in general but any one of the protectors who were carrying i fully understand why given the situation.

I have nothing to admit to lol.

I was a poster back when it was happening, and if folks like you hadn't gotten 261 nuked from orbit, it would be obvious where I stood then too. Nothing changed, the protests were the people expressing discontent that the police system is used to abuse a marginalized community, of which I am a part of, frequently and without consequence.
The only people who legitimately think that 261 was shut down because it was a liberal echo chamber are subreddit chuds, especially since its already been confirmed by people in the know that none of that was a factor.

Fandom didn't want a dedicated politics board, just like their other sites, so they axed it.

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03/23/24 12:46:40 PM
#246:


mybbqrules posted...
The only people who legitimately think that 261 was shut down because it was a liberal echo chamber are subreddit chuds, especially since its already been confirmed by people in the know that none of that was a factor.

Fandom didn't want a dedicated politics board, just like their other sites, so they axed it.
They could at least make it viewable on the Archive for those of us who were members. :/

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SaikyoStyle
03/23/24 12:47:59 PM
#247:


Toonstrack used to get suspended on 261 all the time for posting racist content.

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Bishop9800
03/23/24 1:10:43 PM
#248:


SaikyoStyle posted...
Toonstrack used to get suspended on 261 all the time for posting racist content.

Well that explains a lot

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mybbqrules
03/23/24 1:13:18 PM
#249:


SaikyoStyle posted...
Toonstrack used to get suspended on 261 all the time for posting racist content.
Yeah, idk how I've missed tagging them for so long. I'll fix that.

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lolife67
03/23/24 1:19:43 PM
#250:


ClayGuida posted...
I personally don't think it was fair when the judge refused to allow gun charges or his prior and post actions to be addressed during the trial.

Motive wasn't allowed to be established and that alone taints the trial for me. You can disagree, and that's perfectly fine, but I think a trial for murder should absolutely allow evidence of intent.

"I wish I had my gun" shouldn't have been dismissed by the judge. Hanging out with known white supremacists shouldn't have been dismissed. If that was indeed him on video beating the shit out of a teenage girl, that should have been allowed at the trial. Not to mention dismissing his charges of illegally obtaining a gun, crossing state lines, then using it in the act of a crime.
I hadn't been back to this topic, so sorry for the late response. I can certainly understand your POV. Those incidents could go towards his personality but also, it's not the same situation (beating a girl still makes him a coward in this case.) And apparently the gun was legal, otherwise they really should've went with Felony Homicide.

I was thinking they should've went for a lesser charge, personally. Proving intent wasn't going to happen with the video footage of him actually retreating. That's what made it a self defense claim. He wasn't the aggressor in the situation.
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