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Whoever is in charge of the Star Trek franchise are pieces of shits for not making a movie with the DS9 crew

BigB0ss13 posted...

Whoever is in charge of the Star Trek franchise are pieces of shits for not making a movie with the DS9 crew

The ending might play a role. Several crew members are mostly scattered to the wind after the ending. Sisko, Odo, and Garak (if you consider him a crew member) are no longer on the station for different reasons and Worf leaves as well.

Also, the Defiant did appear briefly in First Contact, when Worf got picked up.

No other Trek broke into general pop culture like TOS and TNG did. That's why TNG got movies.

Charged151 posted...

Also, the Defiant did appear briefly in First Contact, when Worf got picked up.

Tough little ship

is that Seth McFarlane "basically almost Star Trek" show Orville any good?

ROBANN_88 posted...

is that Seth McFarlane "basically almost Star Trek" show Orville any good?

Yes. it's basically just TNG/TOS with jokes. I read a comment once that described as, "if the Enterprise were crewed by real people."

ROBANN_88 posted...

is that Seth McFarlane "basically almost Star Trek" show Orville any good?

It starts off a little shaky but it gets really good as it goes on.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Tough little ship

Little?

Link_of_time posted...

Yes. it's basically just TNG/TOS with jokes. I read a comment once that described as, "if the Enterprise were crewed by real people."

I'd describe it more like a crew of qualified unprofessionals.

philsov posted...

It's like 45 minutes. Surely you can hate watch it and then spend several more hours ranting about it.

@philsov

Oh look still no response eh?

Just what I thought you are nothing but a little casual jumping on the "we love DS9 bandwagon" without ever seeing the programme and saying that you like it you are just trying to make yourself look all "hip" and "cool" amongst the hardcore fans!

philsov I have been watching Star Trek for 37 years since 1986! I had the ENTIRE series of TOS - Voyager on VHS, had the Star Trek Encyclopaedia, Star Trek Chronology and the TOS and TNG Technical Manual reference books. I am a total hardcore Trekkie!

I just think that DS9 was the worst of the 1990's Trek series.

Oh and to the ones mentioning Babylon 5 I have met and got the autograph of the gorgeous Commander Susan Ivanova. Claudia came to a comic book store we have here in Glasgow Scotland called Forbidden Planet to meet the fans and sign autographs.

ROBANN_88 posted...

is that Seth McFarlane "basically almost Star Trek" show Orville any good?

Orville is so good. I desperately want a 4th season, but we arent going to get it. But the show is fantastic for all of us Trek fans.

DS9 was great. Shame they completely fucked over Dukat in the last few episodes. One of my favourite characters having a complete character change just to try and give the finale some sort of gravitas and the producers completely failed at executing it.

Even ignoring the overarching story the show had so many great character arcs and character growths throughout it. Even part time characters were great. Eddington was a favourite of mine.

Also it took me way to long to realise Kira was the hottest women on the show especially the parallel universe version.

His end should have come in Waltz.

Thanks for all the responses, guys. Some good stuff.

CassandraCroft posted...

Come on then I double dog dare you to tell me why you like DS9?

Sisko is an atypical captian. Good character interplay (<3 Bashir and Garak) also with a nod to Kira.

Yes, I'm happy when they got the shuttle because being a passive space station can only allow for so many stories before they needed to travel.

I find it odd that you're so passionate about this show but manage to rant and complain about an episode you've never bothered to watch and rely on hearsay on, to the point of pride.

And the fact that you've not only sent me a direct message and tagged me in this topic to goad a response shows that you need to find additional hobbies. I'm blocking you now, thanks for the motivation.

Orville is really good. It stands on its own, but if you are well-versed in Trek, you can also appreciate how perfectly the episode endings subvert expectations.

Sir_Will posted...

Little?

Compared to the other battleships hell yes it is

SHRlKE posted...

DS9 was great. Shame they completely fucked over Dukat in the last few episodes. One of my favourite characters having a complete character change just to try and give the finale some sort of gravitas and the producers completely failed at executing it.

Even ignoring the overarching story the show had so many great character arcs and character growths throughout it. Even part time characters were great. Eddington was a favourite of mine.

Also it took me way to long to realise Kira was the hottest women on the show especially the parallel universe version.

Yep, Kira is the best. She's one of the best characters on the show. I like Jadzia and she is very attractive, but she's a bit more plain in terms of characterization (despite having a real cool backstory).

A shame about the final season. I haven't gotten to it so I don't know how Ezra? is, but that kind of change has to be jarring.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/c9ac1ece.jpg

I'm unlikely to participate in this topic since I don't like debating this but yes. DS9 is amazing, definitely one of the best tv series of all time

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3a1aa8b1.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8511b21a.jpg
How many of you have seen that before?

I have seen the top picture many times but not the second one.

Yes that is Terry in the original Trill make-up which was used by Odan in the TNG episdoe "The Host".

I think Terry looks quite good in the original make-up but the spots (they got the idea for the spots from Famke Jensen when she played Kamala the empathic metamorph) were a vast improvement!

Kaldrenthebold posted...

Compared to the other battleships hell yes it is

Yep, Kira is the best. She's one of the best characters on the show. I like Jadzia and she is very attractive, but she's a bit more plain in terms of characterization (despite having a real cool backstory).

A shame about the final season. I haven't gotten to it so I don't know how Ezra? is, but that kind of change has to be jarring.

Kira ended up being one of my favorite characters on the show. Some of the best episodes focus on her, including the first one where I knew DS9 would be great (Duet).

She also may have the best smile of any actor I have ever seen. Minor 30 year old spoiler:

There is one episode where Sisko asks her to watch a baseball game with him at the end. Obviously the ultimate sign of respect and friendship Sisko can bestow. Visitors smile just lights up the entire scene.

CassandraCroft posted...

Yes that is Terry in the original Trill make-up which was used by Odan in the TNG episdoe "The Host".

Is she supposed to be the same character or a different Trill?

Westernwolf4 posted...

Kira ended up being one of my favorite characters on the show. Some of the best episodes focus on her, including the first one where I knew DS9 would be great (Duet).

She also may have the best smile of any actor I have ever seen. Minor 30 year old spoiler:

There is one episode where Sisko asks her to watch a baseball game with him at the end. Obviously the ultimate sign of respect and friendship Sisko can bestow. Visitors smile just lights up the entire scene.

I almost mentioned duet in my post. That was the episode that cemented DS9 for me and it went from strength to strength from there.

Kaldrenthebold posted...

Compared to the other battleships hell yes it is

Yep, Kira is the best. She's one of the best characters on the show. I like Jadzia and she is very attractive, but she's a bit more plain in terms of characterization (despite having a real cool backstory).

A shame about the final season. I haven't gotten to it so I don't know how Ezra? is, but that kind of change has to be jarring.

Little? Is a reference to Worfs response to Riker about the Defiant in First Contact. One of the best lines in the movie!

Supposedly Ira Behr hated what they did with the Defiant in the First Contact which is why there's no mention of the fight with the Borg in DS9, not even a line about the Defiant undergoing repairs or anything.

edit: Forgot the Borg attack was mentioned in an episode. Should have said there was no mention of the Defiant's role in the battle or of repairs to the ship afterward.

SHRlKE posted...

I almost mentioned duet in my post. That was the episode that cemented DS9 for me and it went from strength to strength from there.

That was in S1 as well. Someone mentioned that it doesn't get good till S3 but S1 has some great episodes and S2 was just as good. Each season felt better then the last with maybe the exception of 6/7. Arguably

ROBANN_88 posted...

Is she supposed to be the same character or a different Trill?

No she has always been the beautiful Jadzia Dax.

It was because of Terry's beauty that they changed the make-up.

As you see Michael Westmore Star Trek's make-up artist put Terry into the original make-up and feminized it as best he could and it was said it was some of best work but one of his make-up girls took one look at Terry and said something along the lines of "What have you done? You had this beautiful young woman sitting there and now you have uglied her up"! Or words to that effect.

So they decided what they could do and decided to copy this:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/14491077.jpg
The spot pattern used by Famke Jensen when she played the beautiful Kamala the empathic metamorph in the TNG episode "The Perfect Mate".

So the DS9 showrunners decided to use the spot pattern for all Trill in that series.

Some fan theories speculate that Odan seen in "The Host" is still a Trill but a different species of Trill.

UnsteadyOwl posted...

Supposedly Ira Behr hated what they did with the Defiant in the First Contact which is why there's no mention of the fight with the Borg in DS9, not even a line about the Defiant undergoing repairs or anything.

WRONG WRONG WRONG

Season 5 episode 14 "In Purgatory's Shadow"

"A Dominion invasion of the Alpha Quadrant will affect Cardassia every bit as much as it's going to affect us. Besides, we need all the help we can get. The Dominion picked a perfect time to invade. The Cardassian fleet is in shambles, the Romulans are not much better off, and between the Klingon war and the recent Borg attack, Starfleet's spread pretty thin."
"Then we're going to have our hands full. There are at least 50 Dominion ships headed our way. For all we know, that could be just the first wave." - Benjamin Sisko and Kira Nerys

I knew the second I saw your post you were completely wrong! I had to search through memory-alpha to find the correct season 5 episode but I knew you were wrong right away!

Oh look someone who hates DS9 (me) knows it better than you do!

UnsteadyOwl posted...

Supposedly Ira Behr hated what they did with the Defiant in the First Contact which is why there's no mention of the fight with the Borg in DS9, not even a line about the Defiant undergoing repairs or anything.

Apparently the movie was going to have the defiant destroyed originally, although IRA Behr justifiably stopped this. Referenced here...
https://screenrant.com/star-trek-ds9-defiant-failed-fighting-borg/

Also, the Borg attack was mentioned in DS9, although the Defiant's role in it wasn't mentioned.

CassandraCroft posted...

"A Dominion invasion of the Alpha Quadrant will affect Cardassia every bit as much as it's going to affect us. Besides, we need all the help we can get. The Dominion picked a perfect time to invade. The Cardassian fleet is in shambles, the Romulans are not much better off, and between the Klingon war and the recent Borg attack, Starfleet's spread pretty thin."

Beat me to it.

CassandraCroft posted...

I knew the second I saw your post you were completely wrong! I had to search through memory-alpha to find the correct season 5 episode but I knew you were wrong right away!

Oh look someone who hates DS9 (me) knows it better than you do!

You need to chill though...

Kaldrenthebold posted...

Compared to the other battleships hell yes it is

I know. 'Little?' was Worf's response in the movie.

UnsteadyOwl posted...

Supposedly Ira Behr hated what they did with the Defiant in the First Contact which is why there's no mention of the fight with the Borg in DS9, not even a line about the Defiant undergoing repairs or anything.

Worf got a little feral, which he had mostly grown past at that point, but otherwise it seemed fine.

Charged151 posted...

Apparently the movie was going to have the defiant destroyed originally, although IRA Behr justifiably stopped this. Referenced here...
https://screenrant.com/star-trek-ds9-defiant-failed-fighting-borg/

Well that would be really stupid then. You don't destroy the main ship of another series! WTF?

Revolutionary my ass.

Bloated drama series set in Trek universe that only started getting good towards the end of S3.
Everything before that was a sleeping pill, irrelevant how well it is written.

Yes, Sisko first black lead character, point noted and points given. But for every Sisko and Garak you have 2 Bashirs, Nogs, Dax's, o'Briens and yes, even Odo

Also, pale moonlight was an outlier. No way was or is it representative of the quality of the average DS9 episode. Not even close.

Now I'm not claiming it's perfect, but B5 experimented far more than DS9...

Vivaldi7 posted...

Yes, Sisko first black lead character, point noted and points given. But for every Sisko and Garak you have 2 Bashirs, Nogs, Dax's, o'Briens and yes, even Odo

Listing other great characters. Ok, Bashir started bad, but he got better. And Odo could be a little fascist at times but still a good character.

MarcoRubio posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/c9ac1ece.jpg

lol

Charged151 posted...

Apparently the movie was going to have the defiant destroyed originally, although IRA Behr justifiably stopped this. Referenced here...
https://screenrant.com/star-trek-ds9-defiant-failed-fighting-borg/

Also, the Borg attack was mentioned in DS9, although the Defiant's role in it wasn't mentioned.

You are right. I was thinking about the Defiant being badly damaged in the Borg attack not being mentioned. I did forget there was a line referencing the Borg attack happening.

Sir_Will posted...

I know. 'Little?' was Worf's response in the movie.

Alright I get it I never saw that movie >_>

DS9 is the only series I've actually sat down to watch and enjoyed the shit out of it.

UnsteadyOwl posted...

You are right. I was thinking about the Defiant being badly damaged in the Borg attack not being mentioned. I did forget there was a line referencing the Borg attack happening.

A scene mentioning the defiant's repairs WAS shot but got axed for run time.
Damned if I can recall were I read that though, it was around wayyy back then, in print in some magazine. May have been SFX

Sir_Will posted...

Listing other great characters. Ok, Bashir started bad, but he got better. And Odo could be a little fascist at times but still a good character.

Sorry Bashir never got good.

Agree to disagree then because yes he did. The Julian/Miles friendship is great.

Nirvanas_Nox posted...

Sorry Bashir never got good.

What the hell, that whole eugenics and genetic modification line was great and was a fundamental shift in his character. It was also a sweet episode. Him and Miles and him and Garak were great to watch, they had wonderful interactions. And Bashier started as a care-free frontier doctor wanting to make a name for himself to a grizzled perfect specimen as he didn't really have to hide anymore.

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nah, weakest character was Keiko, if only cause she was only really presented in the context "Miles' wife"

Kaldrenthebold posted...

What the hell, that whole eugenics and genetic modification line was great and was a fundamental shift in his character. It was also a sweet episode. Him and Miles and him and Garak were great to watch, they had wonderful interactions. And Bashier started as a care-free frontier doctor wanting to make a name for himself to a grizzled perfect specimen as he didn't really have to hide anymore.

Nope
.
At best, it felt like the character got a soft reboot mid show. And no that's not 'development'.
At worst, it was just a completely new and different character in the same skin, like HoooSHH! I'm here and the old guy is gone. Swallow it.

Nirvanas_Nox posted...

Sorry Bashir never got good.

https://i.imgur.com/Rr44xS2.gif

Kaldrenthebold posted...

What the hell, that whole eugenics and genetic modification line was great and was a fundamental shift in his character. It was also a sweet episode. Him and Miles and him and Garak were great to watch, they had wonderful interactions. And Bashier started as a care-free frontier doctor wanting to make a name for himself to a grizzled perfect specimen as he didn't really have to hide anymore.

I just couldn't. Bashir always came off as creepy to me. Miles has always been boring. Garak, Jadzia, Quark, Rom, and Odo(to me) were water in a desert. Everyone else just sucked. Also I loved the Grand Nagus he was great.

Nirvanas_Nox posted...

Bashir always came off as creepy to me.

He should. There were some creepy incel vibes on him that make you think the people who shafted LaForge's ability to have a relationship were allowed free reign to do that with another character sometimes, too.

Nirvanas_Nox posted...

Miles has always been boring.

I thought that was supposed to be the point? Slice of life, blue collar enlisted man just doing slice of life, blue collar enlisted man stuff... except when it was suffer o'clock.

Vivaldi7 posted...

Nope
.
At best, it felt like the character got a soft reboot mid show. And no that's not 'development'.
At worst, it was just a completely new and different character in the same skin, like HoooSHH! I'm here and the old guy is gone. Swallow it.

Nirvanas_Nox posted...

I just couldn't. Bashir always came off as creepy to me. Miles has always been boring. Garak, Jadzia, Quark, Rom, and Odo(to me) were water in a desert. Everyone else just sucked. Also I loved the Grand Nagus he was great.

Just gonna not agree with these about Bashir

Grand Nagus is fantastic, it was the only time my wife would catch me watching the show and it was ALWAYS with him in it. If anything, I think Worf was a meh character in the show like they didn't know necessarily what to do with him. However, the beach resort planet episode was quite great. Nog had great growth, too.

Kaldrenthebold posted...

Just gonna not agree with these about Bashir

Grand Nagus is fantastic, it was the only time my wife would catch me watching the show and it was ALWAYS with him in it. If anything, I think Worf was a meh character in the show like they didn't know necessarily what to do with him. However, the beach resort planet episode was quite great. Nog had great growth, too.

Lol you don't have to agree. It's just my opinion. I'm not saying that they didn't have some growth but to me they just weren't interesting. Don't even get me started on Ezri. She could been good if she wasn't introduced so damn late.

Kaldrenthebold posted...

However, the beach resort planet episode was quite great.

his quick turn to Morality Extremism Terrorist felt a bit forced to me