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TMOG
03/12/24 12:17:31 PM
#51:


CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
3 discs over FMVs, not gameplay. All those jrpgs were multiple discs solely out of FMVs and not how big the games were.
This. In FF7 specifically most of the game's story took place on Disc 1 and the other two discs were primarily sidequests and cutscenes. IIRC Disc 3 was pretty much just the final dungeon.
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CheshireSimper
03/12/24 12:19:24 PM
#52:


TMOG posted...
This. In FF7 specifically most of the game's story took place on Disc 1 and the other two discs were primarily sidequests and cutscenes. IIRC Disc 3 was pretty much just the final dungeon.

That's not true at all. Disc 3 is just the final dungeon, but disk 2 contains at least half of the story lol.
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solosnake
03/12/24 12:28:07 PM
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I imagine the pc version will get mods to carry over save data at some point. Its the best hope anyway

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WingsOfGood
03/12/24 12:31:36 PM
#54:


solosnake posted...
I imagine the pc version will get mods to carry over save data at some point. Its the best hope anyway

It won't.
They are different games. Not everything works the same. And if you started Rebirth at higher levels with all the stuff from Remake you would break the game.
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Foppe
03/12/24 12:36:38 PM
#55:


WingsOfGood posted...
It won't.
They are different games. Not everything works the same. And if you started Rebirth at higher levels with all the stuff from Remake you would break the game.
Mods would of course adjust the items\levels\enemies\stats in Rebirth as well.

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Jerry_Hellyeah
03/12/24 12:36:39 PM
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I think the final dungeon was on disc 2 and 3, but when you get to the section right before Jenova, the raging mako in the background is an FMV.

I was always nasty to my Playstation games, so my third disc was totally fucked. The only way I was able to play the northern crater was swapping to disc 2 after loading, which let me continue, but at the part I mentioned right before Jenova, the background was completely white. Still set a mood though.

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WingsOfGood
03/12/24 12:38:36 PM
#57:


Foppe posted...
Mods would of course adjust the items\levels\enemies\stats in Rebirth as well.

So basically make a completely different game?
I mean that would be cool I guess.

Imagine if modders literally do what Square could not and they remove the fluffiest fluff and then make it all one big game.
Now that would be epic and hilarious.
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Bass_X0
03/12/24 12:39:26 PM
#58:


pauIie posted...
i was on board until i played rebirth. going from junon to getting the buggy took me 40 fucking hours. that's like 2 hours in the og?

the bloat these games have is ludicrous.

its not bloat, each part is their own full length game.

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Foppe
03/12/24 12:56:07 PM
#59:


WingsOfGood posted...
So basically make a completely different game?
I mean that would be cool I guess.

Imagine if modders literally do what Square could not and they remove the fluffiest fluff and then make it all one big game.
Now that would be epic and hilarious.
Didnt modders do that with Baldurs Gate 1 & 2?

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RetuenOfDevsman
03/12/24 1:06:09 PM
#60:


Jerry_Hellyeah posted...
I think the final dungeon was on disc 2 and 3, but when you get to the section right before Jenova, the raging mako in the background is an FMV.

I was always nasty to my Playstation games, so my third disc was totally fucked. The only way I was able to play the northern crater was swapping to disc 2 after loading, which let me continue, but at the part I mentioned right before Jenova, the background was completely white. Still set a mood though.
Interesting.

It's weird to think how much data would have had to be duplicated on every disc. But I wouldn't have guessed an area you can't even get to on disc 2 normally would be on the disc.
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Jupiter
03/12/24 1:09:31 PM
#61:


RetuenOfDevsman posted...
Interesting.

It's weird to think how much data would have had to be duplicated on every disc. But I wouldn't have guessed an area you can't even get to on disc 2 normally would be on the disc.
From what I heard, the entire game is literally on all 3 discs which is why you can swap to any disc mid game. It'll just play the wrong FMV with the wrong disc. But yea, sounds FMV is the ONLY reason the game is multiple discs.

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CheshireSimper
03/12/24 1:22:55 PM
#62:


Jupiter posted...
From what I heard, the entire game is literally on all 3 discs which is why you can swap to any disc mid game. It'll just play the wrong FMV with the wrong disc. But yea, sounds FMV is the ONLY reason the game is multiple discs.

I think, though, my OG save file was over 100 hours long. So, the point that's trying to be made here, the game is actually short and not actually a lot of content, doesn't really follow. It's just that games were much much smaller back in the day, partly because optimizing size and performance used to be the name of the game.
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cuttin_in_farm
03/12/24 1:33:26 PM
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I mean

Telltales The Walking Dead literally goes through a developer change and still carries over content.

FF7 had stuff that relied on how long you use a character compared to others. I thought thatd be brought back.

If its per game, that is massively disappointing tbh. I actually didnt know.

So all my gear and summons are reset for the start of Rebirth?

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FunWithAFryPan
03/12/24 1:36:22 PM
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Why would anyone think that your high-level endgame characters were going to carry over from one game to the next? That makes no sense from a gameplay design perspective.

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rwbonesy
03/12/24 1:42:16 PM
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i am just salty about the exclusivity

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Foppe
03/12/24 2:44:12 PM
#66:


FunWithAFryPan posted...
Why would anyone think that your high-level endgame characters were going to carry over from one game to the next? That makes no sense from a gameplay design perspective.
*Looks at Golden Sun 2*
It transfers your endgame levels, stats, items and equipment.

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WingsOfGood
03/12/24 2:47:04 PM
#67:


cuttin_in_farm posted...
So all my gear and summons are reset for the start of Rebirth?

yes, you start at default levels and gear for Rebirth
lvl 15 and pretty barebones materia etc
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VirtuousWrath
03/12/24 2:53:52 PM
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The grift griftens.

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WingsOfGood
03/12/24 2:55:31 PM
#69:


one good thing is they claim Rebirth won't have any dlc

but I kinda don't believe them especially with Vincent and Cid not being a playable character in Rebirth
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kawalimus
03/12/24 2:57:39 PM
#70:


The third part will be called FFVII&Knuckles and you can connect the first two games to it and play it all as one.
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SunCider
03/12/24 3:15:07 PM
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A lot of people here seem comfortable with stagnancy.
If it's rare but not impossible for an RPG to carry over data between separate physical parts, then that means SE didn't do everything they could for the FFR experience to be seamless.
"The original still exists, go play it" parrots and apologists for poor quality look braindead in comparison to people wishing there was a tight game to play.
FFR is just shiny and lousy.

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RetuenOfDevsman
03/12/24 3:15:51 PM
#72:


Foppe posted...
*Looks at Golden Sun 2*
It transfers your endgame levels, stats, items and equipment.
Of course, in the time it takes you to enter the password, you could have just redone the grinding.
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Jerry_Hellyeah
03/12/24 3:31:13 PM
#73:


I mean if we are judging part 1 completely on its own it's dogshit, so I dunno why ya'll acting like it's crazy to be underwhelmed here.

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WingsOfGood
03/12/24 3:32:22 PM
#74:


Jerry_Hellyeah posted...
I mean if we are judging part 1 completely on its own it's dogshit, so I dunno why ya'll acting like it's crazy to be underwhelmed here.

that is.... a good point. what made Remake good was infact nostalgia and seeing scenes that are beloved in glorious 3D

I can't imagine it would have been as good had I never been an FF7 fan tbh
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Jupiter
03/12/24 3:34:05 PM
#75:


WingsOfGood posted...
that is.... a good point. what made Remake good was infact nostalgia and seeing scenes that are beloved in glorious 3D

I can't imagine it would have been as good had I never been an FF7 fan tbh
I wasn't an FF7 fan at all, and Remake became my favorite FF after playing it.

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Foppe
03/12/24 3:42:38 PM
#76:


RetuenOfDevsman posted...
Of course, in the time it takes you to enter the password, you could have just redone the grinding.
I mean, if you only care about levels, special items and Djinns, you only need 16 characters *shruggs*
Or use a link cable.

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thronedfire2
03/12/24 3:45:07 PM
#77:


CheshireSimper posted...
The real reason they didn't want saves to carry over, I expect, is that they didn't want the sales of each game to be constrained to those who have beaten each previous installment. Not any backwards compatability bullshit that could probably be fixed with a python script and 30 minutes of forethought.

its probably a balance thing too. People could finish remake at all different levels, so unless they made everything scale(which people would just complain about) theyd have to reset everyones levels to some base they chose.

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gmanthebest
03/12/24 3:47:22 PM
#78:


thisworld posted...
Pokemon
Mass Effect
The Witcher
Quest for Glory
Wizardry
Baldur's Gate 1, 2
Dragon Age
Champions of Norrath
Xenoverse
Golden Sun
Pillars of Eternity
Banner Saga
Funny how this got ignored

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SunCider
03/12/24 3:51:15 PM
#79:


gmanthebest posted...
Funny how this got ignored

Things that make too much sense get ignored

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VirtuousWrath
03/12/24 3:53:20 PM
#80:


RetuenOfDevsman posted...
Of course, in the time it takes you to enter the password, you could have just redone the grinding.
It wasn't about grinding. The first game had, iirc, the Cleric's Ring which was required in the second game to use one of the ultimate swords without any punishment. So if you didn't do a good enough job in the first game, you'd miss out on using one of the game's best weapons unencumbered.

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MrMojoRising
03/12/24 3:55:54 PM
#81:


gmanthebest posted...
Funny how this got ignored

none of these are from the current generation
none is a final fantasy
only 1 is a jrpg, and I'm sure the ds one didn't have the save feature for golden sun
literally pokemon lol

why would anyone expect this feature to be in this game again?

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WingsOfGood
03/12/24 4:00:35 PM
#82:


gmanthebest posted...
Funny how this got ignored

not really, that user who it got quoted to didn't want to argue honestly so of course they ignore it
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CARRRNE_ASADA
03/12/24 4:29:21 PM
#83:


SunCider posted...
A lot of people here seem comfortable with stagnancy.
If it's rare but not impossible for an RPG to carry over data between separate physical parts, then that means SE didn't do everything they could for the FFR experience to be seamless.
"The original still exists, go play it" parrots and apologists for poor quality look braindead in comparison to people wishing there was a tight game to play.
FFR is just shiny and lousy.

Or maayybe it was just the direction they wanted to go?

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CheshireSimper
03/12/24 4:50:21 PM
#84:


thronedfire2 posted...
its probably a balance thing too. People could finish remake at all different levels, so unless they made everything scale(which people would just complain about) theyd have to reset everyones levels to some base they chose.

That's an issue that exists across all RPGs. You could overlevel and make the rest of the game a cakewalk, or underlevel /underprepare and find yourself stuck at a particularly hard boss.
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Jupiter
03/12/24 5:01:10 PM
#85:


thisworld posted...
Pokemon You don't carry save data from 1 game to the next. Sure you can transfer Pokemon, but that's not the same thing and doesn't even necessarily have to come from your own games
Mass Effect Never played this so I don't know for sure, but I heard something about it's your choices that are carried over, not things like levels
The Witcher
Quest for Glory
Wizardry
Baldur's Gate 1, 2
Dragon Age
Champions of Norrath
Xenoverse I just did a quick Google search since I don't remember this being the case, and only certain things carry over like player appearance and a few attacks. Definitely not entire levels, stats, etc
Golden Sun From what I heard, this one counts
Pillars of Eternity
Banner Saga
I have no idea about the other games. Half of them I never even heard of.

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comicfire
03/12/24 5:23:35 PM
#86:


Digital Devil Saga 1 and 2 are one long story, but with a solid plot reason as to why you're back at level 1 in the second game.

It gives you rewards based on what you accomplished in the first, which is fine enough for me

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thronedfire2
03/12/24 5:35:27 PM
#87:


CheshireSimper posted...
That's an issue that exists across all RPGs. You could overlevel and make the rest of the game a cakewalk, or underlevel /underprepare and find yourself stuck at a particularly hard boss.

yeah but it's a lot different than starting a new game at level 50 with level 1 enemies

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cuttin_in_farm
03/12/24 5:49:11 PM
#88:


thronedfire2 posted...
yeah but it's a lot different than starting a new game at level 50 with level 1 enemies

Except levels are not the only thing that a player progresses.

Materia, Summons, and weapons are also things that different players will have.

WingsOfGood posted...
yes, you start at default levels and gear for Rebirth
lvl 15 and pretty barebones materia etc

Like, I remember having a really fun time using Tifas abilities. Youre telling me she starts at barebones abilities again?

I feel like SE is banking heavily in people getting the games immediately. This experience will feel jarring and bad if you play the games back to back.

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WingsOfGood
03/12/24 5:50:03 PM
#89:


cuttin_in_farm posted...
Like, I remember having a really fun time using Tifas abilities. Youre telling me she starts at barebones abilities again?

correct

I should mention though they changed some like Aerith has a different triangle ability in Rebirth
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DarkDoc
03/12/24 5:58:22 PM
#90:


Don't buy it I guess.
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ViewtifulGrave
03/12/24 6:04:36 PM
#91:


GuerrillaSoldier posted...
i don't think it's lowkey at all
it sucks that any game is broken into parts. it sucked when it was announced. it just took years for everyone to finally come to terms with it. but no one actually likes this shit, we just deal with the shit we're handed.
You shouldnt speak for everyone. I for one am enjoying the expanded content.

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DrizztLink
03/12/24 6:05:03 PM
#92:


Jupiter posted...
I have no idea about the other games. Half of them I never even heard of.
Mass Effect transfers levels.

Up to level 5 (out of 30) in 2 and up to 30 (out of 60) in 3.

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CheshireSimper
03/12/24 6:15:50 PM
#93:


thronedfire2 posted...
yeah but it's a lot different than starting a new game at level 50 with level 1 enemies

I don't understand how these two conditions are materially any different.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/5602f3d0.png

Just make the second game start from the expected progress given completing first game. i.e., scale enemies like it were all one game, just broken up into pieces. I just don't understand why people think this is extremely complicated.
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thisworld
03/12/24 6:18:22 PM
#94:


MrMojoRising posted...
none is a final fantasy

Moving the goalposts aren't we? Well fine, how about this? You can carry over your progress from Dissidia Final Fantasy to its prequel, Dissidia 012 Final Fantasy. The franchise itself does have a savegame transfer mechanic between titles and that's an undeniable fact.

Welp this post will probably get ignored again. Or maybe a reply with "those dissidias are not current gen" argument, somehow missing the fact that they clearly mentions 'Final Fantasy' in their titles lol.

PS: Please reread the original post below. No one said anything about current gen or jrpg. Post #35 is a valid answer.
TMOG posted...
how many other RPG franchises can you think of where progress can be carried over directly from title to title

You don't get to say .hack
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ButteryMales
03/12/24 6:18:41 PM
#95:


ViewtifulGrave posted...
You shouldnt speak for everyone. I for one am enjoying the expanded content.
GuerrillaSoldier didn't say they had a problem with the expanded content.
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ViewtifulGrave
03/12/24 6:28:21 PM
#96:


ButteryMales posted...
GuerrillaSoldier didn't say they had a problem with the expanded content.
The reason that the Remake trilogy is a trilogy is the fact that Square is expanding and adding new content.

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SunCider
03/12/24 6:31:39 PM
#97:


CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
Or maayybe it was just the direction they wanted to go?
If you think it through, that's part of the point I was making.
The idea was flawed from the inception and they didn't try/try hard enough to make it a sensible remake and followup to an esteemed rpg. Even with examples of how they could've.

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Japanties
03/12/24 6:37:21 PM
#98:


ViewtifulGrave posted...
The reason that the Remake trilogy is a trilogy is the fact that Square is expanding and adding new content.
Nah, the actual reason the Remakes are a trilogy is because Square Enix has no idea how to make their big IPs successful anymore. The FF7R trilogy is a hail-mary; they know they can milk the FF7 brand, and they need the steady cash flows that a 3 part series will bring.
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PowerOats
03/12/24 6:47:10 PM
#99:


Disk 1 is 20-25 hours
Disk 2 is 15 hours
Disk 3 is 2 Hours at best

Progress carryover is overrated. If people came into Rebirth with decked out materia and Limit Accessories, people would complain the game is too easy, and currently they are complaining it's too hard, so yeah.

Besides, chances are most people wouldn't bother with new materia cuz their current stuff immediately out classes it.
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Gamefreak1000
03/12/24 6:47:48 PM
#100:


cuttin_in_farm posted...
I feel like SE is banking heavily in people getting the games immediately. This experience will feel jarring and bad if you play the games back to back.

As someone who replayed Remake on hard mode with maxed out characters before starting Rebirth, I really don't find this to be a big issue.

Rebirth's combat is more polished compared to Remake, and while I did lose access to most of my materia and abilities from the first game (with Tifa taking the most notable hit), Rebirth adds a lot of new mechanics to make up for it. Synergy abilities are pretty strong, characters have new moves (like Cloud's ranged attacks), and you even have entirely new party members to play with (Red XIII). This also comes with party flexibility, which wasn't a feature in the first game.

You're also not starting at the very base level, with Cloud, Barret, and Aerith retaining some of their core abilities for the start of the game. Not to mention the balance changes. Barret in particular feels very strong in this game from what I've played, and his new bonus round ability helps with that. I'm only on chapter 4, but my level 25 Barret in Rebirth feels more fun and more effective than my level 50 maxed out Barret in remake. It would feel jarring to go back to remake at this point.

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