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Kradek 03/11/24 8:01:51 PM #150: |
DipDipDiver posted...
You're making the assumption that this kid would have poisoned his bully with or without mom, but the story really makes it sound like it was her idea. And the best case scenario would be not doing this at all, lol Nah, this was a harmless lesson to shitstain of a child who clearly has never learned any lessons in regards to their bullying. The behavior of the school shows they weren't going to and I doubt their mom would either. It's better for a mom to help with something harmless than this kid being pushed to a breaking point because nobody helped him and he ends up pushing the bully down a flight of stairs or something. You don't solve bullying by letting the asshole kid bully unhindered. Prototypic posted... That said, yes, obviously? Are you arguing that there's no difference whatsoever between the bully taking it by force and being freely given it? Because if not, what I said was "I'm less inclined to side as unequivocally with the arrested mother and bullied kid", which is about as minor an opinion shift as I can manage. Personally, my advice would've been to throatpunch the bully the next time they tried to pull something, or to pull the old Bobby Hill, even though I acknowledge I'd be surrending some of the moral high ground in doing so. I don't think it really does. Just because the shitstain child isn't in bullying mode 24/7 doesn't mitigate the fact that they likely bullied the victim a day or 2 sooner. Does a domestic abuser stop being a domestic abuser because they're not spending every waking moment beating their victim? Of course not. And similarly, if a domestic abuse victim willingly served her abuser a drink that had laxative in it, I wouldn't think it would be any different than if he took breaks in-between beating her to take swigs from the altered drink. A shitty person doesn't stop being a shitty person just because they're not shitty every since waking moment of their life. They are still who they are, and this sack of shit bully is a sack of shit bully. --- My metal band, Ivory King, has 2 songs out now - allmylinks.com/ivorykingtx (all of our links there so you can choose which one you'd prefer to use) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thronedfire2 03/11/24 8:05:07 PM #151: |
Under Texas law, tampering with a consumer product is a serious offense. Texas Penal Code 22.09 outlines that knowingly or intentionally tampering with a consumer product, which includes food, in a way that could harm someone, is illegal. The law is designed to protect consumers from harm and applies regardless of the tamperer's intentions, including attempts to deter theft or bullying but she didn't do it in a way that could harm someone. if she had used water instead of vinegar would anyone consider this 'tampering'? that's unlikely. but it's just as consumable as it would be with vinegar. --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Umbreon 03/11/24 8:07:51 PM #152: |
If the mother goes to jail over lemon juice, it just reinforces what we already know.
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pnut027 03/11/24 8:08:18 PM #154: |
This could have been easily avoided by packing a small salad in their bag.
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lilORANG 03/11/24 8:10:15 PM #155: |
Of course CE calling this "poison" lol. How much did this dumbass bully kid drink? Surely a single sip would have tipped him off to stop drinking.
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thronedfire2 03/11/24 8:10:20 PM #156: |
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The law is designed to protect consumers from harm and applies regardless of the tamperer's intentions, including attempts to deter theft or bullying is not part of the written law. that's the author's analysis of why the law was written. --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sheiky-Baby 03/11/24 8:12:41 PM #157: |
Did the bully swallow the bottle whole or something? Who wouldn't spit the shit out as soon as that touches their tongue? The fuck?
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VirtuousWrath 03/11/24 8:15:37 PM #158: |
The bully only had one sip which they spat out. They then lied about symptoms but schools are forced to act when kids claim they're I'll like that.
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DarkDoc 03/11/24 8:16:12 PM #159: |
Cheetaluv posted... So there wasn't a smart and mature way of dealing with this. Seems like the kid going to get bully further out of this. These days, if you look a headteacher directly in the eye and make very sure he knows there will be very serious repercussions if it continues, most of them will shit their pants. They want an easy ride, and will do anything to avoid things turning ugly on their watch. DipDipDiver posted... What I would not do is retaliate against the bullies. Which is exactly why your country is fucked. haloiscoolisbak posted... Something about the bully having to be in the process of bullying to get hurt here (as in if he didn't predictably bully that kid one last time he wouldn't have stole the drink and gotten sick) should like... Disqualify him from having a case against anyone It does. All these people are just being American about it. Asherlee10 posted... a consumer product Quit being hysterical. How about if it was in a home made bottle with "excrement" written on the side? Let's see if the jury laughs this nonsense out of town and you can get back to me. Consumer product, smfh. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Prototypic 03/11/24 8:21:16 PM #160: |
Kradek posted...
I don't think it really does. Just because the shitstain child isn't in bullying mode 24/7 doesn't mitigate the fact that they likely bullied the victim a day or 2 sooner. Does a domestic abuser stop being a domestic abuser because they're not spending every waking moment beating their victim? Of course not. I'm genuinely unsure how to respond because this almost doesn't seem like a reply to what I posted, so to the second bit I'll say I agree that there's less difference in scenarios you posted, but I don't think your example is actually analgous to this situation at all. The domestic abuse would have to directly cause the ingestion of laxatives (or whatever other retribution), where the offenders choice directly leads to the negative outcome they receive. And again, to be clear, I'm not siding with or sympathizing with the bully here, I'm noting that there is a minor difference between setting up a situation where an offender gets payback as a direct result of their offense and going out of your way to trick someone into doing something they wouldn't have otherwise. --- Thus I became a madman. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybabe89 03/11/24 8:23:09 PM #163: |
So I'm not clear. Was the bully tricked into drinking this or not?
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thronedfire2 03/11/24 8:23:31 PM #164: |
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yeah I didn't think you would want her to see jail time, and the law will definitely be up for interpretation. I just think they'll find it hard to prove she had any intent to harm(besides making a bully drink something that tastes bad), because she knew all the ingredients even mixed together were non-toxic. I'm hoping she at least got out on cheap bail and didn't actually have to spend much time behind bars --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rharyx211 03/11/24 8:24:25 PM #165: |
PballDepot posted...
Good mom --- Watch our "BLEACH Can't Fear Your Own World" full fandub: https://youtu.be/a2s_RdYM_pE?si=5kHTTbvJX4CY8Zk8 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DrizztLink 03/11/24 8:24:29 PM #166: |
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You're a woman and you're informing him that he's wrong. Chuds have exactly one move to address this. --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VirtuousWrath 03/11/24 8:25:47 PM #167: |
It's not tampering because the kid didn't offer it to the bully. The bully willingly chose to drink something they knew wasn't theirs. Tampering implies the kid offered it.
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Dudebusters 03/11/24 8:26:00 PM #168: |
hockeybabe89 posted...
So I'm not clear. Was the bully tricked into drinking this or not? Apparently the mom admitted she told the son to give it to the bully, which is probably the reason this is even a problem. If the bully had stolen it we probably wouldn't even be talking about this. Still ultimately seems harmless. If there's jail time or anything, that's fucked up. --- I beat Call of Duty 4. In one day. WHAT UP! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bfslick50 03/11/24 8:26:11 PM #169: |
How is this tampering with consumer products if its not sold nor intended to be sold?
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Dudebusters 03/11/24 8:26:31 PM #170: |
VirtuousWrath posted...
It's not tampering because the kid didn't offer it to the bully. The bully willingly chose to drink something they knew wasn't theirs. Tampering implies the kid offered it. The mom admitted to police she told the kid to give it to the bully, so it sounds like the kid did offer it. --- I beat Call of Duty 4. In one day. WHAT UP! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VirtuousWrath 03/11/24 8:26:52 PM #171: |
Dudebusters posted...
The mom admitted to police she told the kid to give it to the bully, so it sounds like the kid did offer it.Ooh, intriguing then --- "I sung of chaos and eternal night, taught by the heav'nly muse to venture down the dark descent, and up to reascend... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Alteres 03/11/24 8:57:41 PM #174: |
using ai for everything isn't great, the contents of your kid's thermos isn't a consumer product
*edit, fucking lol... I guess it was covered, I stopped reading and posted that when I first read that chatgpt bullshit ...and it still isn't a consumer product --- ........the ghost in the machine... IGN: Fox, FC: 5344-2646-0982 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dudebusters 03/11/24 9:02:32 PM #175: |
Alteres posted...
using ai for everything isn't great, the contents of your kid's thermos isn't a consumer product Reports suggest they put it in an actual sports drink bottle and mixed it with some real Gatorade in order to present it as a legitimate sports drink, which actually would fall under tampering with a consumer product --- I beat Call of Duty 4. In one day. WHAT UP! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Alteres 03/11/24 9:06:38 PM #176: |
Eh, even if that's true it wasn't ever intended for resale or any consumer/business reason... even with the extended uses listed I don't think it fits
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Dudebusters 03/11/24 9:10:51 PM #177: |
Alteres posted...
Eh, even if that's true it wasn't ever intended for resale or any consumer/business reason... even with the extended uses listed I don't think it fits It doesn't have to be for resale or an actual consumer reason though. If you take a consumer product, alter/tamper with it, then present it as still being that consumer product, you tampered with a consumer product. Again I ultimately think it's all harmless and she shouldn't be punished, but the reason she is being punished is because they deliberately attempted to trick the bully by pretending to give him a Gatorade, and the son offered it to the bully. --- I beat Call of Duty 4. In one day. WHAT UP! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thronedfire2 03/11/24 9:10:57 PM #178: |
Dudebusters posted...
Reports suggest they put it in an actual sports drink bottle and mixed it with some real Gatorade in order to present it as a legitimate sports drink, which actually would fall under tampering with a consumer product so if you put some lemon juice in a regular water bottle is that considered tampering with a consumer product? --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Deej 03/11/24 9:13:15 PM #179: |
Common Texas L
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Dudebusters 03/11/24 9:13:53 PM #180: |
thronedfire2 posted...
so if you put some lemon juice in a regular water bottle is that considered tampering with a consumer product? Are we talking like blank water bottle or like Aquafina The former no, but if you do the latter and then present it to somebody as Aquafina then yeah --- I beat Call of Duty 4. In one day. WHAT UP! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antiyonder 03/11/24 9:14:09 PM #181: |
hockeybabe89 posted...
If only bullying vicitms were allowed to handle their bullies without repercussion... This. And I just feel more and more that those who deem bullying to not be worth opposing are currently or have been bullies before, thus doing something is to admit wrongdoing on their part. --- Amalgam Universe resident Born in 82. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Smackems 03/11/24 9:14:34 PM #182: |
PballDepot posted...
Good mom --- Common sense says it may not taste good, but it'll make a turd. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Alteres 03/11/24 9:25:50 PM #183: |
Are you reading a different article than the one here?
I really don't think it was just given to the kid, the way it was written seems more like they should have said "he ingested it during gym", the plan is never to give a drink to the person stealing yours, that proves and changes nothing. You are writing a lot more backstory than the article gives. --- ........the ghost in the machine... IGN: Fox, FC: 5344-2646-0982 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dudebusters 03/11/24 9:30:48 PM #184: |
Alteres posted...
Are you reading a different article than the one here? Yeah somebody posted a quote from another article and it made me look for more details. https://abcnews.go.com/US/mother-arrested-after-concocting-drink-son-give-school/story?id=107876249 According to the affidavit she told her son to give it to him. --- I beat Call of Duty 4. In one day. WHAT UP! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dudebusters 03/11/24 9:35:10 PM #185: |
The 10-year-old told authorities that his mother, identified as Rossi, made the drink, which consisted of lemon juice, salt, vinegar and Gatorade, according to the affidavit. https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2024/03/06/woman-arrested-after-concocting-drink-that-sent-child-to-the-hospital-bcso-says/ --- I beat Call of Duty 4. In one day. WHAT UP! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Alteres 03/11/24 9:43:47 PM #186: |
So she did, telling her son to actually give it to the other kid is weird and I don't know where the law would stand on that as she could technically be seen as "distributing" it I guess?
Looks like she opened herself up to a fun one with lawyers for that one, why wouldn't you just go with the traditional steal my drink and it tastes like shit routine? --- ........the ghost in the machine... IGN: Fox, FC: 5344-2646-0982 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thronedfire2 03/11/24 9:44:47 PM #187: |
but did she tell her son to offer it to the bully freely, or only when he tried to take it?
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Dudebusters 03/11/24 9:46:11 PM #188: |
thronedfire2 posted...
but did she tell her son to offer it to the bully freely, or only when he tried to take it? The affidavit says she directly told him to give it to him. It's why she's actually in trouble at all, guaranteed. There'd be no standing if the bully just took it. The fact she purposely intended to trick the bully and said to give it to him is what makes it legally dicey. --- I beat Call of Duty 4. In one day. WHAT UP! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Glob 03/11/24 9:53:21 PM #190: |
When I was at school, one kid always used to steal this other kids lucozade and drink it in front of him. One day we spiked it with laxatives and the bully shit himself during PE. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AgentCoulson 03/11/24 9:58:05 PM #191: |
I want to shake this mom's hand. More moms need to follow her example.
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Umbreon 03/11/24 9:58:30 PM #192: |
Glob posted...
When I was at school, one kid always used to steal this other kids lucozade and drink it in front of him. One day we spiked it with laxatives and the bully shit himself during PE. Did the kid steal other people's drinks after that? --- Black Lives Matter. ~DYL~ (On mobile) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Glob 03/11/24 9:59:32 PM #193: |
Umbreon posted... Did the kid steal other people's drinks after that? No. Nor did he really give anybody any shit, as his status within the school had been forever changed to the boy who shit himself in year 10. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Umbreon 03/11/24 10:04:05 PM #194: |
Glob posted...
No. Nor did he really give anybody any shit, as his status within the school had been forever changed to the boy who shit himself in year 10. Huh. While technically illegal, it sure sounds like he learned his lesson. --- Black Lives Matter. ~DYL~ (On mobile) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Glob 03/11/24 10:05:55 PM #195: |
Umbreon posted... Huh. Illegal, perhaps, but effective. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Toonstrack 03/11/24 10:12:47 PM #197: |
Cannot recommend this course of action though I get why she did it.
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haloiscoolisbak 03/11/24 10:25:03 PM #198: |
Glob posted...
No. Nor did he really give anybody any shit, as his status within the school had been forever changed to the boy who shit himself in year 10. Do laxatives actually give you like, such a strong urge to poo you just shit yourself with no chance to hold it in? I thought you'd generally still have time to get to the bathroom... But I guess during PE all that exertion might make it impossible to do anything to prevent said pant shitting --- Started from the bottom now we here ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Glob 03/11/24 10:26:02 PM #199: |
haloiscoolisbak posted... Do laxatives actually give you like, such a strong urge to poo you just shit yourself? Its not something I have a great deal of experience in, but Id imagine the movement was a factor. It occurred as he went for a lay up. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Turducken 03/11/24 10:29:30 PM #200: |
If the kid offered it to the bully...hell, that's just another knock against the bully in my book. Like, if I was a bully and keep taking this kid's drink, and then one day the kid just offers it to me...you don't consider for one second something might be amiss?
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