Current Events > Dune 2- Bad guys seemed almost cartoonish. [SPOILERS]

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Some questions, in no particular order:

1. Harkonnen seems like a macho/strong society. So why would they drug the Atreides prisoners before they have them fight the skinnier nephew?
2. Whats up with the cartoonish evilness of all three Harkonnens, where in almost every scene, they randomly kill their own people? How can that possibly be an effective society? Once or twice out of extreme emotions and to show how evil they are via a common trope, sure; but like every single scene?
3. Why would the emperor come to Dune instead of sending his army and his delegates?
4. Why is the emperors army just standing in formation waiting around? They had no reason to do this- they werent expecting an attack, they JUST arrived, and there is a storm coming (they should have rather been focusing on creating temporary shelters).
5. Why did Paul fire nuclear missiles behind the army, instead directly at them? These bombs dont seem to be world-ending powerful, so strategic missiles against the well grouped army seems to have been a better option.
6. Why would the emperors army decide to go for a charge in an open field with sand everywhere, instead of falling back and creating a solid line of defense?
7. When the line was lost and Paul and his folks got into the emperors chambers, why would the emperors personal guards of like 10 or so decide to walk straight into the door that they cannot even see (because of lots of sand) instead of falling back and bolstering the final defense soldiers?
8. How come majority of these soldiers seem to not have any of those shields up, and the fremen are tearing through them so easily? The first movie made it very clear you have to attack in a specific fast-but-slow method to pierce those shields; its very clear the fremen are not fighting like this, nor were there any scenes that showed them being trained to fight like this.
9. Why would the other great houses not agree to the ascendency of Paul, when hes marrying the emperors daughter, and have spice production (a critical component of the entire galaxy) literally under his control?
10. Paul releases the fremen to go attack the other houses in the air/space. How do the fremen know how to pilot the emperors spacecrafts?
11. Why was Zendaya so bitchy about Paul using his messiah-like influence to bring the fremens together to fight the foreigners? It should be one of us that leads arc makes no sense since clearly they cant do that.
12. I didnt understand the significance of walking through the desert in that dancing way. Why walk like that? If its to avoid the worms, how come they dont always walk like that?
13. If the worms can be summoned so easily, be driven around like trains and devour everything in their path, are bulletproof, and arent harmed by missiles, why havent the fremens used it as a weapon?
14. If the emperor can very easily tell the south has human activity, how did the harkonens miss that?
15. Why was the emperor so quick to get rid of the harkonens (destroying Barons life support and his spine thingy)?

I think that was it when I was watching the movie.

Whoa that's crazy

13. If the worms can be summoned so easily, be driven around like trains and devour everything in their path, are bulletproof, and arent harmed by missiles, why havent the fremens used it as a weapon?

They do.

boomgetchopped3 posted...

They do.

Yea, only at the end big climatic battle. Nowhere else.

boomgetchopped3 posted...

They do.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj7R_2WWdKs&t=123s

Baha05 posted...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj7R_2WWdKs&t=123s

lmao I love this movie

IdiotMachine posted...

Harkonnen seems like a macho/strong society. So why would they drug the Atreides prisoners before they have them fight the skinnier nephew?

They want to appear macho/strong. But they also want to make sure they themselves are not in danger. Feyd-Rautha was actually excited when he realized one of the Atreides prisoners wasn't drugged, and that it was a test from his father the Baron.

IdiotMachine posted...

Why did Paul fire nuclear missiles behind the army, instead directly at them? These bombs dont seem to be world-ending powerful, so strategic missiles against the well grouped army seems to have been a better option.

He wasn't trying to destroy the army with the nukes. He used them to blow a hole in the mountain-wall surrounding the city in order to get in with the sand worms.

IdiotMachine posted...

How come majority of these soldiers seem to not have any of those shields up, and the fremen are tearing through them so easily? The first movie made it very clear you have to attack in a specific fast-but-slow method to pierce those shields; its very clear the fremen are not fighting like this, nor were there any scenes that showed them being trained to fight like this.

Stylistic choice, I guess. I'm pretty sure the Sardaukar were all using shields in the book. Probably would have been one hell of a CG budget to add shields for every soldier during the fight scenes and likely wouldn't have looked very good. So they just ignored them for practical reasons. The point of the shields basically was just to force hand-to-hand combat, and they didn't really need an excuse for that in the movie.

IdiotMachine posted...

Paul releases the fremen to go attack the other houses in the air/space. How do the fremen know how to pilot the emperors spacecrafts?

They don't. The spacecrafts are all piloted by Guild Navigators. Since they are so infused with Spice, they will literally die if they lose their supply or are removed from their Spice-infused water tanks. As such, they follow whoever controls the Spice.

IdiotMachine posted...

I didnt understand the significance of walking through the desert in that dancing way. Why walk like that? If its to avoid the worms, how come they dont always walk like that?

Rythmic sounds are what attract the worms. They walk like that on the sand because it obscures the sound of their footsteps, making it sound more like sand being blown by the wind than the footsteps of a creature, so the worms will ignore it. They don't do it all the time because there are many places where the worms can't reach due to rock near the surface or the sand being too shallow.

IdiotMachine posted...

If the worms can be summoned so easily, be driven around like trains and devour everything in their path, are bulletproof, and arent harmed by missiles, why havent the fremens used it as a weapon?

Since there's lots of places the worms can't reach (the capital Arrikeen being the biggest example, hence the nukes to blow a hole in the mountain to let them in), they wouldn't be much help in a proper full-scale war on the planet.

IdiotMachine posted...

If the emperor can very easily tell the south has human activity, how did the harkonens miss that?

Why was the emperor so quick to get rid of the harkonens (destroying Barons life support and his spine thingy)?

They didn't miss it, they were lying to the emperor when they told him they didn't know about the activity in the south. They knew about it, they just couldn't do anything because the storms were too extreme for them to get their ornithopters through and they were too arrogant to believe that the Fremen were enough of a threat to be worth the effort.

The Baron had designs on the imperial throne for himself (well, for his son Feyd-Rautha, as his puppet), and the Emperor knew it. His failures on Arrakis were all the excuse the Emperor needed to get rid of him, even if he didn't get the chance to finish it himself before Paul arrived.

Way too many questions to address but the Harkonnen's are pretty clearly painted as cowards throughout the two movies. Rabban is terrified in every encounter that isn't him killing one of his own people. They're an empire ruled through fear and fear alone. The gladiator battle was just a show.

To the question about nukes: it's explicitly explained in the books (haven't seen the 2nd film) that using atomic weapons is illegal at the highest level. Using them directly against an enemy would result in every house in the empire declaring war on you and wiping our your house and everyone who serves it.

Paul gets around the proscription by using it on the terrain, not on the troops. Which is mentioned by the Emperor in the books when he's face to face with Paul after the battle.

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I agree with you on numbers 8 and 9. Everything else was properly explained.
But yeah, I didn't like how they handled the usage (or non usage) of the personal shields and the way the "slow but fast" technique was inconsistent.
And 9 is just dumb. In the book, the houses more or less accept Paul as Emperor, and the Holy War is Paul ensuring his station and paving the way for The Golden Path, which becomes more apparent over the next few books. My guess is this change (and the one regarding Chani) in the movie has to do with expediency and the "modern updates" that Denis is injecting into his adaptation of the story. But I agree, it was dumb thing to change.
We'll see what happens next tho

Who else is ready for the Grand Bene Jesuit or whatever she is to the Emperor to die a horribly painful death on screen? When Paul told her to shut up with the voice and she had the bewildered look on her face like it was the first fucking time she'd ever been humbled in her entire miserable life I lol'd pretty hard.

you can't use shields on dune it drives the worms into a killing frenzy is why they dont have shields