Current Events > People really wanted FF7 remake to be one 300 hour RPG that took 15 years to do?

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FF7R was never gonna be a single game because SE knew they could split it into 3 full price games, and shills would deflect all criticism of that decision and do their marketing for them

SilvosForever posted...

Instead of three 60 hour complete experiences

I haven't played Rebirth but FF7:R was not a complete experience

It's blatantly just the opening of a game bloated out with so much filler including multilple instances of just running up and down corridors.

FF7 warts and all was a huge epic game for the time. FF7R was fun but it just feels like "We can't make a game like that with modern graphics and managing revenue expectations so we'll just fart out a lesser experience"

UnfairRepresent posted...

I haven't played Rebirth but FF7:R was not a complete experience

It's blatantly just the opening of a game bloated out with so much filler including multilple instances of just running up and down corridors.

FF7 warts and all was a huge epic game for the time. FF7R was fun but it just feels like "We can't make a game like that with modern graphics and managing revenue expectations so we'll just fart out a lesser experience"

While youre allowed to have an opinion, this take makes zero sense to me.

Its absolutely a complete experience. If the game had released as is but FF7 had never existed, no one in their right mind would say this isnt a full game. Let alone that it isnt a huge epic game.

Zonbei posted...

Its absolutely a complete experience. If the game had released as is but FF7 had never existed, no one in their right mind would say this isnt a full game.

Wtf yes we would

It would be even worse with the characters that are introduced but go no where, nothing is resolved, they just introduce a bunch of people and a bunch of plot threads and then run around in corridors and circles for hours.

And that aside "Well it only seems like it's only an incomplete experience because it's an incomplete remake of a completed product" isn't the defense you think it is.

Order 1886 and Mankind Divided feel the same way. It's not possible to have high graphic games as deep or a large as games made on potato graphics. At least not without so much development time and risk that a major studio would be doing their shareholders a disservice to risk it.

So they compromise and add filler and cut content and the result is often fun but completely unfinished products.

There is no world were FF7R is a complete story even if you absolutely love it

IT would be like a remake of Metal Gear Solid 2 that was only the Tanker section. Even if it was no 30 hours long, padded to the gills with bullshit and 18 of those hours were legitimately fun, it would still feel incomplete because you've just started a story, introduced a handful of mechanics and then ran around in circles for a while.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Wtf yes we would

It would be even worse with the characters that are introduced but go no where, nothing is resolved, they just introduce a bunch of people and a bunch of plot threads and then run around in corridors and circles for hours.

And that aside "Well it only seems like it's only an incomplete experience because it's an incomplete remake of a completed product" isn't the defense you think it is.

Order 1886 and Mankind Divided feel the same way. It's not possible to have high graphic games as deep or a large as games made on potato graphics. At least not without so much development time and risk that a major studio would be doing their shareholders a disservice to risk it.

So they compromise and add filler and cut content and the result is often fun but completely unfinished products.

There is no world were FF7R is a complete story even if you absolutely love it

IT would be like a remake of Metal Gear Solid 2 that was only the Tanker section. Even if it was no 30 hours long, padded to the gills with bullshit and 18 of those hours were legitimately fun, it would still feel incomplete because you've just started a story, introduced a handful of mechanics and then ran around in circles for a while.

nothing is resolved you mean except a ton of things?
characters that go no where and threads that arent resolved
most people are aware of the concept of trilogies.

The game has a clear beginning, middle, and end. Threats come up and are resolved. The characters grow and struggle. They blow up things, get framed, blow up more things, the plate is dropped on them, aerith is kidnapped, they go to confront Shinra, they learn more and more about shinras experiments and evil, they infiltrate shinra, they save aerith, sephiroth shows up after a bunch of foreshadowing, they fight him and fate, defeat fate, and leave midgar for a new adventure in the next part of the trilogy. Its literally an entire story. Its like you claiming Star Wars: A New Hope isnt complete because they introduced characters and ideas they didnt fully resolve.

So.. what the actual fuck are you on about?

Yeah, still padded like shit tho

Fwiw, FFXV was super padded too but it made it clear that was the point of the game. FF7 actually had a decently paced plot and the remake failed to capture that.

I have to wait till it gets on the pc unfortunately

Threads like this make me think people actually wished Naruto and Bleach had more filler.

darkphoenix181 posted...

Threads like this make me think people actually wished Naruto and Bleach had more filler.

Funnily enough, I got curious one day and did like a filler analysis of One Piece and Naruto.

In terms of filler episodes, One Piece is like 7.9% filler, as the filler is mostly stretching canon stuff out.

But Naruto is 41% filler no matter how you work it out. Naruto is 41% filler, Shippuden is 41% filler, and thus the whole is 41% filler. The number matching like this is why Ill never forget it.

There is a middle ground between a 1:1 remake but with fancier graphics and voice acting, and a generic action RPG with FF7 tacked on to it.

Trumble posted...

There is a middle ground between a 1:1 remake but with fancier graphics and voice acting, and a generic action RPG with FF7 tacked on to it.

Correct, and that middle ground is this remake trilogy. Calling it a generic action RPG with FF7 tacked on only displays that you have zero clue what youre talking about.

ATB action hybrid? Yeah. Totally generic. It being an incredible reimagining of FF7 down to every detail? Yep, tacked on.

VirtuousWrath posted...

Yeah, still padded like shit tho

Yep. Anyone denying it is delusional. There's fleshing out background characters and locations, and then there's adding completely unnecessary characters like Roach or the overly bloated regional data stuff. Get rid of that crap and it could've easily been two games, if not one

xlr_big-coop posted...

Absolutely nobody wanted an alt history remake, and on top of that it's split into 3 parts for money reasons.

I did makes playing them interesting. Ive already played the original so having new content is a plus.

Personally I think 1:1 remakes are kinda boring. I still enjoy them, (Links Awakening) but sometimes its cool to change it up.

Kim_Seong-a posted...

Just off the top of my head, you could cut the train graveyard from the Remake by two thirds and get rid of the entirely superfluous boss fight and story.

I hated while I was playing. Our friends are getting attacked. We know the story all hell is breaking lose. And we are chasing around a random ghost or some shit. Like what the hell .

Nobody wanted them to change the story yet they did.

Zonbei posted...

nothing is resolved you mean except a ton of things?
characters that go no where and threads that arent resolved
most people are aware of the concept of trilogies.

The game has a clear beginning, middle, and end. Threats come up and are resolved. The characters grow and struggle. They blow up things, get framed, blow up more things, the plate is dropped on them, aerith is kidnapped, they go to confront Shinra, they learn more and more about shinras experiments and evil, they infiltrate shinra, they save aerith, sephiroth shows up after a bunch of foreshadowing, they fight him and fate, defeat fate, and leave midgar for a new adventure in the next part of the trilogy. Its literally an entire story. Its like you claiming Star Wars: A New Hope isnt complete because they introduced characters and ideas they didnt fully resolve.

So.. what the actual fuck are you on about?

That doesn't really fit. Star Wars: A New Hope was a complete story.

It would be more Akin to if Star Wars ended after they left Tatooine but they threw in 40 minutes of running around corridors and a Darth Vader fight

Or if it ended after they rescued Leia from the Death Star and then the movie just stops.

You say " The game has a clear beginning, middle, and end." as if that means anything.

If RDR1 ended with Bill's henchmen shooting John in the opening scene, that would have a clear clear beginning, middle, and end.

Beginning: John goes to Fort Mercer
Middke: John talks to Bill
End: John is shot

Not to mention the end fight and ghosts of FF7R were pulled so far out of their ass just so they could have a climatic final boss fight. It didn't fit at all and was 100% predicated on you already knowing the original game and who Sepiroth was.

Makes me think of that Zero Puntuation quote: "I feel sorry for anyone playing this game with no knowledge of the original. Blimey, my pretty anime sword boy daydreams about Gwyneth Paltrow a lot. "

You know square enix and the games industry doesn't care if you live or die right? You're white knighting the anti consumer practices of an industry that's standing on your face and pressing it into the mud

While I dont agree with the splitting it up into 3 parts (and Im extremely dubious they will finish the story by the end of the 3rd part).

Rebirth is extremely fun and probably one of the best games Ive played in the last few years. But Remake did extend certain parts way too much

UnfairRepresent posted...

That doesn't really fit. Star Wars: A New Hope was a complete story.

It would be more Akin to if Star Wars ended after they left Tatooine but they threw in 40 minutes of running around corridors and a Darth Vader fight

Or if it ended after they rescued Leia from the Death Star and then the movie just stops.

You say " The game has a clear beginning, middle, and end." as if that means anything.

If RDR1 ended with Bill's henchmen shooting John in the opening scene, that would have a clear clear beginning, middle, and end.

Beginning: John goes to Fort Mercer
Middke: John talks to Bill
End: John is shot

Not to mention the end fight and ghosts of FF7R were pulled so far out of their ass just so they could have a climatic final boss fight. It didn't fit at all, was awkwardly inserted just to create a bad climax in the opening of a story and was 100% predicated on you already knowing the original game and who Sephiroth was.

Makes me think of that Zero Puntuation quote: "I feel sorry for anyone playing this game with no knowledge of the original. Blimey, my pretty anime sword boy daydreams about Gwyneth Paltrow a lot. "

You know square enix and the games industry doesn't care if you live or die right? You're white knighting the anti consumer practices of an industry that's standing on your face and pressing it into the mud

man, wild that youd unfairly represent the story of a game to prove your point, and then unfairly represent my behavior as white knighting. If only there had been some warning that youd act this way.

lmao. Standing on my face and pressing it into the mud. News flash? Not everyone is as dramatic and whiny as you are about videogames. I buy games, I enjoy playing them, thats basically the end of the process. Get some perspective.

Fwiw, this topic inspired me to go back and re-watch the Zero Punctuation for this game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsAltEgYnbE

It's bananas how well he nails it.