Current Events > Go woke go broke

(+) Yeah! (+)

falayyou01 posted...

So judging by this poll and a very small sample size, about 2/3 to 3/4 are left wing liberals and the remainder are conservative, otherwise known as Chads. Omoshiroii.

Whose alt is this?

it is, quite objectively, false. Most of the circumstances to a particular issue "going broke because woke" can be easily attributed to other things

-Most of the "woke" games just objectively aren't very good (E.G: Forspoken is badly paced, lacks gameplay depth, and was one of the first 70$ games. It's issue isn't that it's "woke", it's issue is that it wasn't worth the asking price)

-Movies get executive meddled and mismarketed to nonsense because they're throwing whatever at the wall to see what sticks. Superhero Fatigue. "Cinematic Universe" fatigue - standalone, good movies seem to do pretty well regardless of the theming (e.g. Nimona, Elemental after word-of-mouth campaigns made up for the worst marketing ever)

and then there's WB being like "we don't actually -release- films anymore lol"

-Localization debates seem to think it's a cultural pushback and not some guy in a suit who's never even so much as read a manga going "y'know, if I feed this into the shitty google translate we save 80 dollars a month and the stockholders who also don't watch anime like that"

ShadowMan033 posted...

Disney has come around to this notion after they gave the public shit like Rachel Ziegler, Wish, and Haunted Mansion, and the public said no thanks.

Wish isn't "woke" it doesn't try to overly push any progressive message....or any message or theme at all really, it's utterly hollow

Objectively false but count on a chud to deny reality.

few that stand out

Forespoken , 100 million loss
Disney/ recent marvel films. CEO sold 80% of his shares in the company

Unite posted...

few that stand out

Forespoken , 100 million loss
Disney/ recent marvel films. CEO sold 80% of his shares in the company

Forspoken didn't go broke because it was woke. It went broke because it was (sadly) a bad game.

Sun Tzu said, if you know your audience and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred emails. Or something like that.

Basically, pander to the demographic you're trying to sell shit to while not marginalizing other potential demographics that might buy your product. It's literally that simple. Corpo speak exists for a reason, it's serves as meaningless inoffensive language meant to push products while not damaging individuals.

Unite posted...

Forespoken , 100 million loss

Game was -bad-, not "woke". It's a poorly packaged coming-of-age/responsibility story that backloaded all the interesting writing after 30 hours of Open World Chores that aren't fun to do.

that said when it actually lets you play it it's pretty OK. It's just "pretty OK" does not compensate for 3 hours of slow-walking cutscenes and "things just happen" style plot points.

Unite posted...

Disney/ recent marvel films. CEO sold 80% of his shares in the company

the people with a cohesive plan for current-phase marvel left awhile ago. I'm given to understand some of the individual shows are pretty good though

Unite posted...

few that stand out

Forespoken , 100 million loss
Disney/ recent marvel films. CEO sold 80% of his shares in the company

I was told Japan is anti-woke and Forspoken was made by a Japanese development team. It was a bad game.

Disney has been too safe with their latest movies. They have all been the same with little to no variations. That's not wokeness, that's complacency. That's what is losing them money, laziness and lack of effort.

creativerealms posted...

I was told Japan is anti-woke and Forspoken was made by a Japanese development team. It was a bad game.

Japan is only anti-woke in the sense that the culture war just isn't a thing really here. Trans people existing doesn't really bother an appreciable number of people. If NHK programs were in PBS in America it would probably get called woke liberal brainwashing since they have entire shows about being LGBT or a minority, but here it's only a very marginal far right that actually cares (literally 1 elected dude in this party called the anti-NHK party).

I would describe most Japanese as politically apathetic and not interested in any politics that might cause trouble. A lot of themes in Japanese anime and games get a pass in the West despite being woke for reasons I don't really understand (like everyone loves Gundam and Metal Gear Solid for some reason).

falayyou01 posted...

Theres arguments both ways. Barbie was incredibly successful; meanwhile Forspoken, Disney and Anheiser Busch sales dropped when they took this route.

AB didn't "go woke" at all. this was a label applied to them by unhinged conservatives because AB recognized that trans people are human

ssjevot posted...

Japan is only anti-woke in the sense that the culture war just isn't a thing really here. Trans people existing doesn't really bother an appreciable number of people. If NHK programs were in PBS in America it would probably get called woke liberal brainwashing since they have entire shows about being LGBT or a minority, but here it's only a very marginal far right that actually cares (literally 1 elected dude in this party called the anti-NHK party).

I would describe most Japanese as politically apathetic and not interested in any politics that might cause trouble. A lot of themes in Japanese anime and games get a pass in the West despite being woke for reasons I don't really understand (like everyone loves Gundam and Metal Gear Solid for some reason).

I was being sarcastic. I don't even think woke is real. I think it's something people latch to when they don't have a real reason to hate some.

Everytime something fails the real reason is due to lack of interest or a poor quality product. Not because of "wokeness."

Giant_Aspirin posted...

AB didn't "go woke" at all. this was a label applied to them by unhinged conservatives because AB recognized that trans people are human

Also AB's stock fell not only because rightwingers boycotted it but the left did as well at the same time. Why because AB's quick backtracking of simply sending a trans person a beer turned them off the company. When both sides are abandoning you that's when you actually lose money. But no one will tell you that part of the story.

creativerealms posted...

Also AB's stock fell not only because rightwingers boycotted it but the left did as well at the same time. Why because AB's quick backtracking of simply sending a trans person a beer turned them off the company. When both sides are abandoning you that's when you actually lose money. But no one will tell you that part of the story.

I think timing may have also been an issue as they started the ads not long after the Nashville shooting I believe which may have been a contributing factor?

Prismsblade posted...

So is go woke go broke true? Hard to say.

It's really not hard to say. It's demonstrably false.

Prismsblade posted...

So is go woke go broke true? Hard to say.

It's not hard to say at all. Throughout history "progressive" for its time and "conservative" for its time content comes out.

Like all content, it's success is contingent on the content being good which has nothing to do with "wokeness." It's a goto term for grown ass adults getting in their fee fees content like Marvel and DC is doing something they always done since it's inception, fictional mermaids, furries, or content not being horny enough to jerk off to.

Go woke go broke is not a real thing. Like anything, some content flops, and some don't flop.

As someone that actually beat Forspoken I can definitely say that the game isnt woke.

It isnt bad either. Its aggressively ok. The battle mechanics and traversal is fun, but the world is pretty empty.

I didnt buy Forspoken because it will 100% be a Plus game. I can wait.

I've learned to tune out any right winger that uses the word woke, because I instantly know they're either bigots, indoctrinated fools, or both.

go woke, get rich seems to be more accurate

Or anti woke goes broke like Gina Carano

I like how Forspoken is "woke" solely because it has a black lead. Like completely mask off racism.

Crimsoness posted...

I like how Forspoken is "woke" solely because it has a black lead. Like completely mask off racism.

Black female lead, even, it's double woke.

Does that cancel out the woke like a double negative? I guess not.

Crimsoness posted...

I like how Forspoken is "woke" solely because it has a black lead. Like completely mask off racism.

Within an hour of the teaser too I recall

H ow many Spider people are there? Do they sell radioactive spider venom at Wal-Mart?

Crimsoness posted...

I like how Forspoken is "woke" solely because it has a black lead. Like completely mask off racism.

Yep. And it's a shame the game failed genuinely because it's a bad game, because it's very rare that we get Black leads in games that are not sports games, crime sims, based on an existing license, or celebrity vehicles.

But to them, it failed because it was "woke", no other reason.

Barbie is a good example of debunking that claim.

The funniest schism I've ever seen is the bet hedging on the Mario movie and it's an example of why threads and questions like these boil down to the motive of people originally making the claim. A lot of conservative influencers started off by calling it "woke" after the trailer but when the film came out it happened to be workable as a cudgel to whatever Disney release was out at the time, so a bunch of them reserved course.

But still, multiple influencers stayed in the lane calling the Mario movie "woke" and it made them look absurd because it isn't about the movie or even the contents therein, it's about if it has something that ticks an arbitrary "woke" box and if the film is or isn't weaponizable against another film release as part of a weird, myopic culture war.

We even have this with TC. Why is Forspoken woke? Who knows, but it was dragged almost entirely for its tired Marvel dialogue and not anything to do with politics. "Go woke" ends up meaning whatever the right wing influencer wants it to mean so they can, say, take an example of a game that bombed for non-political reasons and pretend "going woke" is why it failed to pad their numbers. TC doesn't even seem to know the Bud Light controversy waned and that you can in fact still buy it.

Something tells me TC won't be posting a lot in this thread but I thought I'd point out some funny contradictions/schisms.

Woke doesnt exist. Its not a thing.

Its just a synonym for "things i dont like" for culture warriors

Giant_Aspirin posted...

AB didn't "go woke" at all. this was a label applied to them by unhinged conservatives because AB recognized that trans people are human

It goes a step further. The chud outrage didn't even cause a drop in their sales, it was when they reversed and pissed off progressives that their stock plummeted due to all of the gay bars that dropped them.

AB losing profits was a counterexample: go fash, lose cash.

Its dumb with Disney. While Disney has had some more inclusive entries, Ant-Man 3 didnt do well enough and no one blamed go woke go broke on the particular failure.

A lot of time (MCU would be a very notable example of this), studios wont stop spewing garbage clones of some better work. As the repeats need to at least look slightly different, eventually someone says but what if black and/or woman and then they spew out rehashed movie #374 except now the lead is a woman. When this flops, its go woke go broke but no one bothered to say anything for rehashed films 12-373 which all also did poorly.

Will_VIII posted...

Who has actually gone broke for going "woke"?

Seems to be right wingers who lose work usually

Of the top of my head, bud light and volition (the devs) of saints row. The saying isn't always right obviously, given the success of barbie, but it's also clear that it has happened in the past

I still see bud light on the shelves, and as far as I'm aware the latest Saints Row was objectively mid regardless of any "woke" controversy

xlr_big-coop posted...

Of the top of my head, bud light and volition (the devs) of saints row. The saying isn't always right obviously, given the success of barbie, but it's also clear that it has happened in the past

Please define woke and explain how those two things are "woke" and how they went broke due to it.

Pretty sure Saints Row failed because it was ass, not because it was whatever woke means, and Bud Light is still trucking.

Murphiroth posted...

Please define woke and explain how those two things are "woke" and how they went broke due to it.

Pretty sure Saints Row failed because it was ass, not because it was whatever woke means, and Bud Light is still trucking.

And Bud Light only got called "woke" for daring to send a trans woman a custom can.

The horror.

No. It's a stupid slogan that only the bigots believe.

falayyou01 posted...

Theres arguments both ways. Barbie was incredibly successful; meanwhile Forspoken, Disney and Anheiser Busch sales dropped when they took this route.

Forspoken failed because it was just not a well made game. Wouldn't have been any different if the main character was a white male.

Disney also didn't "go broke" despite conservatives claiming that. Their stock prices dropped, but the company itself is still seeing billions in profit every year.

And Anheiser Busch did take a huge hit, but it wasn't because they are "woke." Conservatives got mad over their social media partnership with Dylan Mulvaney, and Budweiser responded by immediately dropping her and throwing her to the wolves. So they pissed off both conservatives and the LGBTQ+ community in one fell swoop.

They would have been fine if they stood behind Dylan, because they would have been championed as the go to beer at pretty much all LGBTQ+ bars, events, etc. So they made their own bed by caving to the bigots.

And it's funny because quite a few of the people that announced that they will no longer be supporting Budweiser for being "woke" just switched to another beer made by Anheiser Busch lol

Woke iz good

Sort of, but not as a backlash to something being "woke." It's just the end result of lazy attempted corporate pandering that otherwise had nothing of substance behind it.

'True'

falayyou01 posted...

Forspoken

Literally the game I was thinking of when coming into the topic, along with the final 'Saints Row' which somewhat killed the studio (Volition).

All of this is irony since I recently started up Starfield and one of the first characters encountered is named Lin. If you're a Saints Row fan, you know why that name is special.

Roachmeat posted...

Literally the game I was thinking of when coming into the topic

What makes Forspoken woke?

Roachmeat posted...

Literally the game I was thinking of when coming into the topic

So please tell us how Forspoken is woke. Because the only thing I can think of is you are saying it's woke because it has a black, female lead.

True for slave/plantation owners

Jupiter posted...

So please tell us how Forspoken is woke. Because the only thing I can think of is you are saying it's woke because it has a black, female lead.

It's why they edited out the part about doing things based on that were hypocritical: they realized that they were actively telling on themselves.

Crimsoness posted...

What makes Forspoken woke?

Jupiter posted...

So please tell us how Forspoken is woke. Because the only thing I can think of is you are saying it's woke because it has a black, female lead.

No, I'm saying the game having a black female lead made it easier for haters to rag on it for any of the other nitpicks.

You would have to play the game to really see the other bad things that you can rightfully 'hate' it for. But if you dismiss the game from the beginning BECAUSE it had a black female lead, then you never had to play the @%# thing to judge anything else.

I might as well call this the "Heat leech" syndrome, since I recently bought and played Starfield for the same reason I just highlighted, and so far its not bad. Beforehand I was right here with all the other knuckleheads laughing and pointing at it. The heat leech creature was the first thing in Starfield that made me smile (because it jumped out of a drawer, looked at my character then slithered away).

In another playthrough, I accidentally stepped on it and Vasco started firing at it (^-^) but my point is, folks should have tried to play Forspoken before criticizing it so @#% hard.

(Edit) As for Ellis123, I didn't edit out that part because I was telling on myself. I didn't want to play 'Kingdom Come: Deliverance' because I prefer character creation over any set character, not because of the main (although the main character was as bland as breakfast oatmeal).

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/03df384d.jpg

LightningThief posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/03df384d.jpg

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/f749eb8e.jpg

False.

1. Even if crappy entertainment prior to 2016 for example just all happened to be marginally better, a person who is truly critical seldom grades on a curve and usually finds "Better than the worst" to be a poor attempt at praise.

2. Taking comics into consideration, many companies that were around at the start of the Golden Age have fizzled out over time. Plus Marvel had their bankruptcy issue in the 90s.

If the expression was true, wouldn't all businesses Pre-2016 have been unquestionably successful?

FortuneCookie posted...

Before we debate whether it's an asset or a liability, can we stop to define woke?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/91ebbc5c.jpg

Crimsoness posted...

What makes Forspoken woke?

Minority female MC. Though most won't be honest about that being the case.