Current Events > It seems like Vince McMahon had some kind of a cult-like grip on some people.

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Look at how Kurt Angle praises this situation. He had a concussion and was knocked out, and they sent him back out there to face more danger. Even Joe Rogan, of all people, points out how this is not a good thing. I dont think any other job would accept this as a normal outcome of events, except maybe pro football in the 90s. And with Vinces recent legal troubles, it seems that no one is really standing up to him. Except John Laurinaitis, and he is just a crook turning on his boss. John Cena gave a vague statement. And clips like the one below make me wonder if he had some control over these guys.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BCM4JN0vTbU

Vince McMahon should have been in prison decades ago

Certainly you're not upset about the year 2009

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These fake celebrities would be living in a trailer if it wasn't for WWE, of course they'll praise the process that made them rich.

Vince mcmahon is terrible but kurt angle is a psycho. He just loves to wrestle and go through the pain, it got so bad wwe had to distance from him

Bret Hart was pretty clear in his statements condemning him, but Bret Hart can also afford to be honest

It's fascinating watching a lot of non-fans finally being exposed to Vince's brand of crazy. He's an enigma and it's long been known by wrestling fans that he had a way with people, especially other wrestlers that made them look up to him like some kind of god in a sense.

Jim Cornette has said more than once that psychologists could make a lifelong career out of studying Vince alone and still get nowhere.

cjsdowg posted...

Look at how Kurt Angle praises this situation. He had a concussion and was knocked out, and they sent him back out there to face more danger. Even Joe Rogan, of all people, points out how this is not a good thing. I dont think any other job would accept this as a normal outcome of events, except maybe pro football in the 90s. And with Vinces recent legal troubles, it seems that no one is really standing up to him. Except John Laurinaitis, and he is just a crook turning on his boss. John Cena gave a vague statement. And clips like the one below make me wonder if he had some control over these guys.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BCM4JN0vTbU

What's concussion to a man who won Olympic Golds with a broken freakin' neck.

I don't get Kevin Nash and his NDA 4Life crap.

He acknowledged that Vince McMahon screwed him over upon his 2003 return and then he attacked Janel Grant as looking for a paycheck. Like, why be loyal to the guy who sabotaged your career and at the expense of a legitimate victim of sexual coercion?

Does Nash have that little regard for women in general? Is he worried that people loyal to Vince (or just as culpable as he is) are going to tarnish his name if he doesn't go to bat for Vince? Or does he see the neckbeard market as such that he thinks it'll be a good business move to sell a shirt smearing, let's be honest here, a rape victim?

Whatever the case, that's fucked up. I've defended him on a lot of things, but fuck him on this one. <_<

WOW I would not expect that from Nash. And good to see Bert calling it out.

Vyrulisse posted...

It's fascinating watching a lot of non-fans finally being exposed to Vince's brand of crazy. He's an enigma and it's long been known by wrestling fans that he had a way with people, especially other wrestlers that made them look up to him like some kind of god in a sense.

Jim Cornette has said more than once that psychologists could make a lifelong career out of studying Vince alone and still get nowhere.

Yeah I've heard some of those clips where he talks about how Vince had an uncanny ability to be able to convince people to do things that they didn't want to do, and this was when Cornette was around him in the 90's (before he got stupid rich).

Vyrulisse posted...

It's fascinating watching a lot of non-fans finally being exposed to Vince's brand of crazy. He's an enigma and it's long been known by wrestling fans that he had a way with people, especially other wrestlers that made them look up to him like some kind of god in a sense.

Jim Cornette has said more than once that psychologists could make a lifelong career out of studying Vince alone and still get nowhere.

There's a difference between him being the unreachable Michael Myers in a business suit and him being a rapist piece of shit.

It's actually not surprising. But it's a confirmation of something that was kept hush-hush. There wasn't enough to suggest that he was guilty of it in the past. It would have been overreaching to say "Vince is the kind of guy who would..." when it came to women.

But now we can say with almost total certainty that Vince is the kind of guy who would coerce unwilling women and delight in humiliating and otherwise abusing them. It's a total extension of everything else about him.

But there's a difference between bringing in a wrestler and turning them into a janitor because someone dared to suggest to him that he *needed* to hire them and defecating on a woman because she's under an NDA not to say anything. One is cruel and vindictive, but legal. The other is criminal assault of a sexual nature.

It's like the local thief committing a murder. It takes things to a new level.

And that was well before the perc angle days too

cjsdowg posted...

Look at how Kurt Angle praises this situation.

To be fair that's just Kurt, he was on 65 painkillers a day at the end of his WWE run, anything to keep going. By his own admission he didn't decide to quit until he injured his lower midsection one night and saw his groin area was darkening and noped the fuck out. >_>

Vyrulisse posted...

It's fascinating watching a lot of non-fans finally being exposed to Vince's brand of crazy. He's an enigma and it's long been known by wrestling fans that he had a way with people, especially other wrestlers that made them look up to him like some kind of god in a sense.

Jim Cornette has said more than once that psychologists could make a lifelong career out of studying Vince alone and still get nowhere.

I think people are trying to explain what it means to be a wealthy fucking asshole that abuses the people under him... it's not that big of a mystery.

Sometimes it's just that you have a rotten, demanding, abusive, egomaniac boss and you aren't able to defy that boss without tossing your career away.

FortuneCookie posted...

I don't get Kevin Nash and his NDA 4Life crap.

He acknowledged that Vince McMahon screwed him over upon his 2003 return and then he attacked Janel Grant as looking for a paycheck. Like, why be loyal to the guy who sabotaged your career and at the expense of a legitimate victim of sexual coercion?

Does Nash have that little regard for women in general? Is he worried that people loyal to Vince (or just as culpable as he is) are going to tarnish his name if he doesn't go to bat for Vince? Or does he see the neckbeard market as such that he thinks it'll be a good business move to sell a shirt smearing, let's be honest here, a rape victim?

Whatever the case, that's fucked up. I've defended him on a lot of things, but fuck him on this one. <_<

It's a weird set of priorities. Vince McMahon, a multi-millionaire who owns, and often featured, in a worldwide entertainment franchise who could (and often did) make or break people sexually assaulting women and using his power and money to keep them silent is somehow more defendable than a woman who suffered sexual abuse at his hands and took a gag order that only served to protect Vince from the consequences being a sex abuser?

Breaking an NDA is a worse offense than repeatedly sexually abusing people?

Fuck off, Nash.

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Obviously Vince was a sort of megalomaniac, brother. As ppl who follow the stories heard about the Fabulous Moolah. But it's a damn shame. At least Mae Young was cool and she gave birth to a hand for some reason.

Vyrulisse posted...

He's an enigma and it's long been known by wrestling fans that he had a way with people, especially other wrestlers that made them look up to him like some kind of god in a sense.

Is it really a bizarre form of charisma or is it that he's the overly involved owner of the only real game in town, so wrestlers kind of have to kiss the ground he walks on to make it in the business?

Bret Hart had it best in wwf so did Bobby Heenan they only left for more guaranteed money. Also I know I read a story where Peyton Royce was scared to talk to Vince about her character.

But frigging R Truth is there, Goldust multiple times. Cody. *shrugs* Even when Vince was shadow running the show and rebooking things......

Vince is insane, I just wish I guess the big leagues so to speak weren't so shady.

In complete fairness, that was during an era where concussions weren't viewed nearly as seriously as they should've been. It wasn't out of the norm, not just in Vince's locker room, but other promotions as well. It didn't really start to change until after the Benoit incident.

There's no shortage of instances we can (and should) condemn Vince for, and in hindsight, we can all agree that Kurt had no business doing ANYTHING further in that match, but based on what we knew at that time about concussions, I get why they had the "show must go on" mentality in that specific case.

I miss you Owen Hart. But I get the Hardy Boyz mentality. I structured my life around it. The mind does need time to recover. Hearing how matches are called because one guy is incapacitated is creepy.

People in wrestling fandom are sooo quick to jump at people calling spots. It's why long hair has benefits.

Fight in Boston

https://youtu.be/heMQWKSx5nA?si=3JGeeMTSWtcmJPk4

Maven is all over my feeds. I think he was cool enough when I was watching. Also the Undertaker made him.

I don't think we'll see the Undertaker in AEW.

pegusus123456 posted...

Is it really a bizarre form of charisma or is it that he's the overly involved owner of the only real game in town, so wrestlers kind of have to kiss the ground he walks on to make it in the business?

Probably both.

-Crissaegrim- posted...

What's concussion to a man who won Olympic Golds with a broken freakin' neck.

cjsdowg posted...

ven Joe Rogan, of all people, points out how this is not a good thing

Politically, Joe Rogan is an ass, but wasn't he involved with UFC? Professional fighters have really strict health standards compared to even the NFL, let alone WWE which is effectively stuntmen performing theater.

Concussion safety is feasibly one of the few things Rogan would have the slightest clue what he's talking about.

Blue_Popo posted...

Vince mcmahon is terrible but kurt angle is a psycho. He just loves to wrestle and go through the pain, it got so bad wwe had to distance from him

There's also this. Kurt was released so he could go rehab his neck in the way it SERIOUSLY needed. I'm fairly sure it never really healed after he broke it winning a gold medal (yes, that really did happen). Instead he went and started wrestling in TNA. It's honestly amazing he's not more fucked up than he is physically. Especially because he's absolutely on steroids, he wasn't in the Olympics, but after years of tearing himself apart wrestling he absolutely is. Take a look at Angle in his WWE debut through the early 00s, then at the end of his first WWE run and TNA run, and beyond. Angle got absolutely jacked. And a lot of it is around his neck, like instead of rehabing it, he's tried to build a bunch of muscle up to make up for the fact at least one vertebrae is sort of fucked.

FortuneCookie posted...

I don't get Kevin Nash and his NDA 4Life crap.

I saw a thing claiming that Nash had said because of his relationship with WWE, he couldn't attend Sting's retirement match in AEW at all, even in the audience. I'm not sure what his role there is, if at all, and don't feel like looking it up, but Nash has always had a reputation for backstage politics. I honestly wouldn't be shocked if he's hedging his bets on this, just in case Vince somehow manages to worm out of this and make it back into WWE. I don't think that will happen, but it's also not my job on the line if I call Vince McMahon a piece of shit and he gets back into WWE. Figure that Nash is probably thinking about the steroid scandal and working under a "he beat that somehow, so he could beat this too" logic.

-Crissaegrim- posted...

Breaking an NDA is a worse offense than repeatedly sexually abusing people?

If you're not a victim of the abuse, but could get royally fucked trying to fight the legal storm that breaking the NDA would cause? I don't know Nash's financials, but he could well not have the money to defend himself in court. And well, moral victories don't pay your mortgage.

Wrestling is an industry built out of insider secrecy and codes of behaviour, where speaking up, rather than dealing with things 'in house', is frowned upon and will kill careers.

It's comparable to being in prison and not 'snitching'.

Hard to shake that mentality, even in retirement.

Crazyman93 posted...

I saw a thing claiming that Nash had said because of his relationship with WWE, he couldn't attend Sting's retirement match in AEW at all, even in the audience. I'm not sure what his role there is, if at all, and don't feel like looking it up, but Nash has always had a reputation for backstage politics. I honestly wouldn't be shocked if he's hedging his bets on this, just in case Vince somehow manages to worm out of this and make it back into WWE. I don't think that will happen, but it's also not my job on the line if I call Vince McMahon a piece of shit and he gets back into WWE. Figure that Nash is probably thinking about the steroid scandal and working under a "he beat that somehow, so he could beat this too" logic.

If you're not a victim of the abuse, but could get royally fucked trying to fight the legal storm that breaking the NDA would cause? I don't know Nash's financials, but he could well not have the money to defend himself in court. And well, moral victories don't pay your mortgage.

Wouldn't be that much of a risk to him to shut his fucking mouth and not publically criticise the alleged victim or make 'nDa 4 Life' merch.