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SecretBase
02/15/24 6:36:49 PM
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https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/15/poll-biden-trump-nominees-00141732

Nearly half of American voters think its at least somewhat likely that President Joe Biden will be replaced as the Democratic nominee because of his health, and a third believe Donald Trump could ultimately lose the Republican nomination as a result of his extensive legal troubles, according to a new poll conducted by Monmouth University.

Questions about Bidens age and mental stamina have intensified since last weeks release of Special Counsel Robert Hurs report that described Bidens memory as poor.

The study says the Hur report didnt shift public opinion on whether Biden mishandled classified documents that were found in his home and a think tank office he uses, but it did reinforce the increased concern of Bidens physical and mental health.

Fifty-one percent of voters were confident in the mental capacity and physical stamina of Trump to lead the country but only 32 percent were able to say the same for Biden, the poll found.

Voter opinion on both candidates has shifted from a 2020 study conducted months before the last presidential election.

In 2020, just 45 percent of voters were confident in Trumps stamina. Over half of voters at that time were confident in Bidens stamina a statistic that has decreased significantly.

The trend is also true among Democratic voters: 91 percent of Democrats surveyed in the summer of 2020 had confidence in Bidens mental and physical stamina, compared with 72 percent today.

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Irony
02/15/24 6:37:20 PM
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Torgo
02/15/24 6:38:04 PM
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A lot of republican voters will say the positive thing about their candidate no matter what.

I know there are some ride or die democrats too... but we're talking about an actual messianic figure in Trump.

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SkittyOnWailord
02/15/24 6:38:42 PM
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Just have an age limit of 60. Get rid of both of them.

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Heineken14
02/15/24 6:40:14 PM
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SkittyOnWailord posted...
Just have an age limit of 60. Get rid of both of them.

You think scrapping an entire election a year out and now having people hurry through primaries in time to get candidates simply because the 2 candidates now are older than 60 seems like a sane thing to do?

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burns112233
02/15/24 6:41:08 PM
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Mitchell McConnell literally had a stroke during a press conference and Repubes said look at this fine and healthy man!

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thronedfire2
02/15/24 6:41:11 PM
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the liberal media the republicans complain about

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thronedfire2
02/15/24 6:41:35 PM
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burns112233 posted...
Mitchell McConnell literally had a stroke during a press conference and Repubes said look at this fine and healthy man!

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nah he didn't have a stroke

he shit himself

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SkittyOnWailord
02/15/24 6:41:56 PM
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Heineken14 posted...
You think scrapping an entire election a year out and now having people hurry through primaries in time to get candidates simply because the 2 candidates now are older than 60 seems like a sane thing to do?

No. I think they should have started the age limit a long time ago. There's no easy way to fix is right now.

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Heineken14
02/15/24 6:42:53 PM
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SkittyOnWailord posted...
No. I think they should have started the age limit a long time ago. There's no easy way to fix is right now.

But that's not what you said.

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-ZIO-
02/15/24 6:43:34 PM
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Right wing media really pushing this age thing about Biden real hard cause they ain't got nothing else left in the tank to attack Dems on.

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EPR-radar
02/15/24 6:45:29 PM
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-ZIO- posted...
Right wing media really pushing this age thing about Biden real hard cause they ain't got nothing else left in the tank to attack Dems on.
It's always possible to see what the latest right wing talking points are, because that's what all the RWNJ topics focus on.

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Accolon
02/15/24 6:45:57 PM
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But the people that could institute an age limit are all old themselves, and they aren't going to give up power.

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TendoDRM
02/15/24 6:46:50 PM
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Voters are mentally incompetent.

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SkittyOnWailord
02/15/24 6:47:13 PM
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Heineken14 posted...
But that's not what you said.

If the Green Party wins then you can add an age limit, and get rid of both of them for next time. :p

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Cemith
02/15/24 6:47:50 PM
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Torgo posted...
A lot of republican voters will say the positive thing about their candidate no matter what.

I know there are some ride or die democrats too... but we're talking about an actual messianic figure in Trump.


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Sorozone
02/15/24 6:48:05 PM
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Biden could be brain dead, I'd still take him over the traitor.


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Tanthalas
02/15/24 6:50:01 PM
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I dont see how people can see Biden and Trump talking and consider Trump to be more mentally competent.

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thronedfire2
02/15/24 6:51:43 PM
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I know a 98 year old who I'd trust to run the country more than trump

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ClayGuida
02/15/24 6:52:16 PM
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Republicans would probably have a shot if they hadn't been literal bags of shit the last 8 years. Instead they waged war on everyone and hitched their wagon to their most despised figurehead.

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EPR-radar
02/15/24 6:56:03 PM
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Tanthalas posted...
I dont see how people can see Biden and Trump talking and consider Trump to be more mentally competent.
That's because all of this bullshit about Biden being "too old" is Republican ratfucking, and way too many people who really should know better fall for Republican ratfucking every damn time.

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Gritty
02/15/24 7:05:11 PM
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Sorozone posted...
Biden could be brain dead, I'd still take him over the traitor.

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Sansoldier
02/15/24 7:09:17 PM
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So... Like ~100% of republicans and more independents think Trump is mentally competent, while like 70% of democrats and less independents think Biden is mentally competent?

Edit: Didn't even read the article yet. Guess I was closer than I thought.

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legendary_zell
02/15/24 7:16:11 PM
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EPR-radar posted...
That's because all of this bullshit about Biden being "too old" is Republican ratfucking, and way too many people who really should know better fall for Republican ratfucking every damn time.

This is simply untrue. It's been an obvious problem that inherently gets worse with time, and Democrats have never developed a response to it in four years. Even attempting to dismiss it this way comes across as sticking your head in the sand.

Doesn't mean Trump should be allowed to win and that he isn't in much worse shape mentally. But it's a real, enduring problem in many people's minds and it won't go away through accusations of conspiracy. Is it really that hard to believe that people might legitimately believe an 81-86 year old, a person who would be the oldest ever in the office, and who appears to struggle with speaking is too old?


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EPR-radar
02/15/24 7:19:28 PM
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legendary_zell posted...
This is simply untrue. It's been an obvious problem that inherently gets worse with time, and Democrats have never developed a response to it in four years. Even attempting to dismiss it this way comes across as sticking your head in the sand.

Doesn't mean Trump should be allowed to win and that he isn't in much worse shape mentally. But it's a real, enduring problem in many people's minds and it won't go away through accusations of conspiracy. Is it really that hard to believe that people might legitimately believe an 81-86 year old, a person who would be the oldest ever in the office, and who appears to struggle with speaking is too old?
"Biden is old" is a fact.

"Biden is too old" is Republican ratfucking, because the only possible effect of pushing that message at this time is to help Trump win.

Of course I'm not interested in having conversations whose only possible effect is to hearten enemies and dismay allies.

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Kradek
02/15/24 7:20:13 PM
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Mainstream media successfully selling the narrative they want.

Corporate sacks of shit.

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Will_VIII
02/15/24 7:26:27 PM
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Ah, the polls again

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Kain_Highwind
02/15/24 7:26:29 PM
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EPR-radar posted...
"Biden is old" is a fact.

"Biden is too old" is Republican ratfucking, because the only possible effect of pushing that message at this time is to help Trump win.

Of course I'm not interested in having conversations whose only possible effect is to hearten enemies and dismay allies.
so if someone has been saying Biden is too old since 2020, they're a republican?

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EPR-radar
02/15/24 7:28:19 PM
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Kain_Highwind posted...
so if someone has been saying Biden is too old since 2020, they're a republican?
I don't care about since 2020. I care about people doing this shit now, when its only possible effect is to help Trump.

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thronedfire2
02/15/24 7:29:41 PM
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Kain_Highwind posted...
so if someone has been saying Biden is too old since 2020, they're a republican?

if that was your only argument? yes.

age is just a number. one candidate is an actual patriot, the other is a blatant traitor

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hockeybabe89
02/15/24 7:30:14 PM
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Trump wasn't mentally competent in 2016, let alone now.

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Bleuets
02/15/24 7:31:37 PM
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Oh wow.
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EPR-radar
02/15/24 7:33:25 PM
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On the one hand, Biden is old.

On the other hand, Trump is a traitor, insurrectionist, career criminal, omni-corrupt, rapist piece of felonious shit whose only substantive campaign promise is to make America fascist in 2025.

Both sides types: "so, let talk more about Biden's age"

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Heineken14
02/15/24 7:34:28 PM
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SkittyOnWailord posted...
If the Green Party wins

ROFL. If the green party wins I will eat my own head.


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SaikyoStyle
02/15/24 7:38:07 PM
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EPR-radar posted...
On the one hand, Biden is old.

On the other hand, Trump is a traitor, insurrectionist, career criminal, omni-corrupt, rapist piece of felonious shit whose only substantive campaign promise is to make America fascist in 2025.

Both sides types: "so, let talk more about Biden's age"
On top of all those things, Trump is also old.

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mercurydude
02/15/24 7:38:47 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
nah he didn't have a stroke

he shit himself

E. coli. Bad batch of turtle food that day.

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Sorozone
02/15/24 7:39:45 PM
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EPR-radar posted...
On the other hand, Trump is a traitor, insurrectionist, career criminal, omni-corrupt, rapist piece of felonious shit whose only substantive campaign promise is to make America fascist in 2025.

And is also fucking old.

The age discussion is so stupid. I think we can all agree we would want someone younger, but this is what we have right now. We can all work to get someone younger next time.

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Heineken14
02/15/24 7:40:53 PM
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legendary_zell posted...
This is simply untrue. It's been an obvious problem that inherently gets worse with time, and Democrats have never developed a response to it in four years. Even attempting to dismiss it this way comes across as sticking your head in the sand.

It's a bit like that 50 feral hogs tweet. Sure, it DOES have an underlying discussion to be had on what you need guns for but it's exaggerated as fuck and not coming from a genuine place.

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CountCorvinus
02/15/24 7:42:36 PM
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They both belong in a home.

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legendary_zell
02/15/24 8:03:07 PM
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EPR-radar posted...
"Biden is old" is a fact.

"Biden is too old" is Republican ratfucking, because the only possible effect of pushing that message at this time is to help Trump win.

Of course I'm not interested in having conversations whose only possible effect is to hearten enemies and dismay allies.


I'd rather we acknowledge it, recognize it, and formulate a response that's not either "nuh uh" or "stop bullying the President" or "it's a conspiracy". I don't see the benefit of ignoring the major sustained criticism of a candidate as if that'll make it go away, especially when it hasn't over four years of a surprisingly successful presidency.

I think it's incredibly dangerous to not formulate a response and instead insist that a very common opinion across the political spectrum is actually a Republican plot. That's not effective politics. That's part of what got Hillary beat. I fear the same mistake is being repeated. We're not gonna brute force our way out of this.

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legendary_zell
02/15/24 8:06:51 PM
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Heineken14 posted...
It's a bit like that 50 feral hogs tweet. Sure, it DOES have an underlying discussion to be had on what you need guns for but it's exaggerated as fuck and not coming from a genuine place.


I don't even think you actually believe this. I think both you and EPR are understandably reacting with fear and hostility to the anticipated effect of that narrative sticking. But the reality is that millions of people genuinely believe that an 81 year old and Biden in particular are too old. I don't even think that would be controversial if Trump and all that's at stake wasn't involved. Understand that and grapple with that. Don't go around making unprovable and off-putting accusations of bad faith. This is nothing like that feral hogs nonsense.

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Prismsblade
02/15/24 8:34:02 PM
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Frankly people as old as trump and biden should be retired by their ages. Not running for office still. Actually, idk why they dont just do that.

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LightningThief
02/15/24 8:39:38 PM
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EPR-radar posted...
On the one hand, Biden is old.

On the other hand, Trump is a traitor, insurrectionist, career criminal, omni-corrupt, rapist piece of felonious shit whose only substantive campaign promise is to make America fascist in 2025....and also old

Both sides types: "so, let talk more about Biden's age"
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GrandConjuraton
02/15/24 8:44:53 PM
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Irony posted...
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EPR-radar
02/15/24 8:51:57 PM
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legendary_zell posted...
I'd rather we acknowledge it, recognize it, and formulate a response that's not either "nuh uh" or "stop bullying the President" or "it's a conspiracy". I don't see the benefit of ignoring the major sustained criticism of a candidate as if that'll make it go away, especially when it hasn't over four years of a surprisingly successful presidency.

I think it's incredibly dangerous to not formulate a response and instead insist that a very common opinion across the political spectrum is actually a Republican plot. That's not effective politics. That's part of what got Hillary beat. I fear the same mistake is being repeated. We're not gonna brute force our way out of this.
I know you're posting in good faith here, so let me just ask you this one question.

What response could possibly be formulated to this issue that would actually do any good? IMO the best response is to fight back on all available fronts (i.e., Trump is damn near as old, much more addled, is a fascist shitbird, for starters), and also challenge people as to why they are so eager to do Republicans' work for them.

It's not like there is any viable (or even reasonable) way to replace Biden as a candidate, even if it were justified (it isn't).

The shit about Biden's age now is just like Hillary Clinton's emails, and the swift boating of John Kerry -- Republicans going all in on bad faith shit, and most of the rest of the country joining in.

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Dark_Arbron
02/15/24 8:52:57 PM
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If your house is on fire, do you sit there insisting "sure, we need to get out, but let's not ignore the fact we should've been more careful?" Or do you realize that now is not the time to be asking that question because you need to get the hell out of there and worry about that later?

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Euripides
02/15/24 8:53:47 PM
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In related news, 51% of Americans are not mentally competent

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Dark_Arbron
02/15/24 8:54:51 PM
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TendoDRM posted...
Voters are mentally incompetent.

Euripides posted...
In related news, 51% of Americans are not mentally competent

The past 8 years have really shown democracy's ass to the world, even accounting for the fact that Republicans do their best to subvert it.

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EPR-radar
02/15/24 8:56:13 PM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
If your house is on fire, do you sit there insisting "sure, we need to get out, but let's not ignore the fact we should've been more careful?" Or do you realize that now is not the time to be asking that question?
More bluntly -- your house is on fire and the two people that show up are an 81 year old fire department chief and a 77 year old serial arsonist.

Only an idiot would care about age in this situation. The difference between "fire department chief" and "serial arsonist" overwhelms all other considerations.

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