Current Events > Did the people on the left that pushed for Iraq admit they were wrong?

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cjsdowg 02/15/24 8:12:01 AM #1:	First yes the Republicans are worse. But I am not a republican and I dont car about them. But I have seen many people on the left liken people who are calling to end of violence in the middle East terrorist sympathizers. And this reminds me of Iraq and how many on the left was down for it. The Clinton's like the whole family said people protesting the war was helping Saddam and I see the same thing now. Years later it seems that most people agree that it was bad. But did these people ever like admit their mistakes and their role in supporting the death of innocent people? --- If you say I am wrong, then prove that you are right. <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:978854728] in Did the pe... [t:80697248]...</cite> <quote>First yes the Republicans are worse. But I am not a republican and I dont car about them. But I have seen many people on the left liken people who are calling to end of violence in the middle East terrorist sympathizers. And this reminds me of Iraq and how many on the left was down for it. The Clinton's like the whole family said people protesting the war was helping Saddam and I see the same thing now. Years later it seems that most people agree that it was bad. But did these people ever like admit their mistakes and their role in supporting the death of innocent people? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 02/15/24 8:15:03 AM #2:	Some of them --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:978854753] in Did the pe... [t:80697248]...</cite> <quote>Some of them </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aloc 02/15/24 8:18:52 AM #3:	The left never did. You can which type of democrat voter would have or did support Bush lol. --- Aloc will now post in PG or try <cite>Aloc posted [p:978854789] in Did the pe... [t:80697248]...</cite> <quote>The left never did.You can which type of democrat voter would have or did support Bush lol. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ai123 02/15/24 8:24:50 AM #4:	I don't really associate supporting the Iraq War with 'the left'. --- 'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'. <cite>ai123 posted [p:978854836] in Did the pe... [t:80697248]...</cite> <quote>I don't really associate supporting the Iraq War with 'the left'. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningThief 02/15/24 8:27:17 AM #5:	I won't speak for anyone else and just say I never supported going to war. Of the opinion anyone thirsty for war should be first to be deployed, on the front lines, and remain on the front lines. <cite>LightningThief posted [p:978854859] in Did the pe... [t:80697248]...</cite> <quote>I won't speak for anyone else and just say I never supported going to war.Of the opinion anyone thirsty for war should be first to be deployed, on the front lines, and remain on the front lines.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bass 02/15/24 8:28:21 AM #6:	ai123 posted... I don't associate supporting the Iraq War with 'the left'. --- Many Bothans died to bring you this post. <cite>Bass posted [p:978854865] in Did the pe... [t:80697248]...</cite> <quote>ai123 posted... </cite><quote>I don't associate supporting the Iraq War with 'the left'.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Westernwolf4 02/15/24 8:31:50 AM #7:	I think it is pretty hard to hold the left accountable for this when a lot of their opinion was shaped by a GOP campaign of lies spewed from a huge government platform. Lies that were impossible to verify at the time because they were based on info only the government has access to. I was not pushing for war or anything, but I did assume that the government had some valid information they must be acting on to take such an extreme course. I did not think they would be brazen enough to just fabricate intel about WMD to wave in front of their citizens just to go invade Iraq. It was my introduction to the utter depravity of the GOP not just as an entity I disagreed with, but as a force for corruption and evil. I dont know how many on this board are old enough to have strong memories of 9/11 and the time that followed-it was a very scary and uncertain time. I was living in DC, and my wife worked close enough to the Pentagon that the crash rattled her windows. It all felt scary and oppressive, and people were willing to trust their government in a way that was not true before or since because of it. And Bush and the GOP abused that trust, one of the great sins of the modern GOP. We were all ready to be united behind strong leadership-they could have brought America together like never before. Instead they used 9/11 to lie to us, start a pointless horrible war, and stoke fear and division so GWB could win an election in 2004. --- An opinion does not turn into a fact simply because the person holding it feels strongly about it. <cite>Westernwolf4 posted [p:978854902] in Did the pe... [t:80697248]...</cite> <quote>I think it is pretty hard to hold the left accountable for this when a lot of their opinion was shaped by a GOP campaign of lies spewed from a huge government platform. Lies that were impossible to verify at the time because they were based on info only the government has access to.I was not pushing for war or anything, but I did assume that the government had some valid information they must be acting on to take such an extreme course. I did not think they would be brazen enough to just fabricate intel about WMD to wave in front of their citizens just to go invade Iraq. It was my introduction to the utter depravity of the GOP not just as an entity I disagreed with, but as a force for corruption and evil.I dont know how many on this board are old enough to have strong memories of 9/11 and the time that followed-it was a very scary and uncertain time. I was living in DC, and my wife worked close enough to the Pentagon that the crash rattled her windows. It all felt scary and oppressive, and people were willing to trust their government in a way that was not true before or since because of it.And Bush and the GOP abused that trust, one of the great sins of the modern GOP. We were all ready to be united behind strong leadership-they could have brought America together like never before. Instead they used 9/11 to lie to us, start a pointless horrible war, and stoke fear and division so GWB could win an election in 2004. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cruciferous 02/15/24 8:43:02 AM #8:	Can't believe ce still thinks the left in the USA is actually left Obama basically Bush Jr Jr --- everything is going to b o k <cite>Cruciferous posted [p:978855016] in Did the pe... [t:80697248]...</cite> <quote>Can't believe ce still thinks the left in the USA is actually leftObama basically Bush Jr Jr </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 02/15/24 8:46:54 AM #9:	ai123 posted... I don't really associate supporting the Iraq War with 'the left'. People in high places were all for it. In the press and with ppl the Clintons even attacking protesters in the Senate over half of the Dems voted yay for the war. Had about a 3rd of dems supporting it so not as bad. Some people highlight they would not blame the dems. Like I said in the opening I do agree that Republicans were far worst. Joe Biden Chuck Schumer people still in power today. --- If you say I am wrong, then prove that you are right. <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:978855051] in Did the pe... [t:80697248]...</cite> <quote>ai123 posted... </cite><quote>I don't really associate supporting the Iraq War with 'the left'.</quote>People in high places were all for it. In the press and with ppl the Clintons even attacking protesters in the Senate over half of the Dems voted yay for the war. Had about a 3rd of dems supporting it so not as bad. Some people highlight they would not blame the dems. Like I said in the opening I do agree that Republicans were far worst. Joe Biden Chuck Schumer people still in power today. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IceCreamOnStero 02/15/24 8:48:04 AM #10:	Those people were never on the left in the first place The Clintons are not leftists lmfao --- Dokkan ID: 2365415872 <cite>IceCreamOnStero posted [p:978855068] in Did the pe... [t:80697248]...</cite> <quote>Those people were never on the left in the first placeThe Clintons are not leftists lmfao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 02/15/24 8:48:22 AM #11:	cjsdowg posted... People in high places were all for it. American politics doesn't really do leftism in high places. You're gonna have to point these people out for me. --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:978855074] in Did the pe... [t:80697248]...</cite> <quote>cjsdowg posted... </cite><quote>People in high places were all for it.</quote>American politics doesn't really do leftism in high places. You're gonna have to point these people out for me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FolkenRawr 02/15/24 8:49:10 AM #12:	Lmao can we at least be a little subtle? What a ridiculous topic. --- Cookin like a chef, I'm a 5 Star Michelin <cite>FolkenRawr posted [p:978855083] in Did the pe... [t:80697248]...</cite> <quote>Lmao can we at least be a little subtle? What a ridiculous topic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tanthalas 02/15/24 8:58:21 AM #13:	Same thing, both sides. No point in voting. Stay in home leftists. --- Sir Markham pointed out, drinking another brandy. "A chap who can point at you and say 'die' has the distinct advantage". <cite>Tanthalas posted [p:978855192] in Did the pe... [t:80697248]...</cite> <quote>Same thing, both sides. No point in voting. Stay in home leftists. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 02/15/24 9:07:36 AM #14:	UnholyMudcrab posted... American politics doesn't really do leftism in high places. You're gonna have to point these people out for me. Leftism to me and on the left are different. I basically mean Democrats when I say on the left. Leftism seems like people like Sanders --- If you say I am wrong, then prove that you are right. <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:978855276] in Did the pe... [t:80697248]...</cite> <quote>UnholyMudcrab posted... </cite><quote>American politics doesn't really do leftism in high places. You're gonna have to point these people out for me.</quote>Leftism to me and on the left are different. I basically mean Democrats when I say on the left. Leftism seems like people like Sanders </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ai123 02/15/24 9:37:32 AM #15:	cjsdowg posted... People in high places were all for it. In the press and with ppl the Clintons even attacking protesters in the Senate over half of the Dems voted yay for the war. Had about a 3rd of dems supporting it so not as bad. Some people highlight they would not blame the dems. Like I said in the opening I do agree that Republicans were far worst. Joe Biden Chuck Schumer people still in power today. Lots of neocons in the Democratic Party back then. --- 'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'. <cite>ai123 posted [p:978855600] in Did the pe... [t:80697248]...</cite> <quote>cjsdowg posted... </cite><quote>People in high places were all for it. In the press and with ppl the Clintons even attacking protesters in the Senate over half of the Dems voted yay for the war. Had about a 3rd of dems supporting it so not as bad. Some people highlight they would not blame the dems. Like I said in the opening I do agree that Republicans were far worst. Joe Biden Chuck Schumer people still in power today.</quote>Lots of neocons in the Democratic Party back then. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CARRRNE_ASADA 02/15/24 9:39:09 AM #17:	Democrats are NOT the left! Jesus! --- SEXY SEXY! <cite>CARRRNE_ASADA posted [p:978855622] in Did the pe... [t:80697248]...</cite> <quote>Democrats are NOT the left! Jesus! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_____Cait 02/15/24 9:48:25 AM #18:	Uh Wasnt Bush in office then And wasnt the media pushing the whole terrorist story. What? --- ORAS secret base: http://imgur.com/V9nAVrd 3DS friend code: 0173-1465-1236 <cite>_____Cait posted [p:978855752] in Did the pe... [t:80697248]...</cite> <quote>UhWasnt Bush in office thenAnd wasnt the media pushing the whole terrorist story.What? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bigblu89 02/15/24 9:54:07 AM #19:	Cruciferous posted... Can't believe ce still thinks the left in the USA is actually left Obama basically Bush Jr Jr People in the US just thinks "Left" is Democrat and "Right" is Republican. But on topic... Which Iraq war are we talking about? Bush Sr's war or Bush Jr's war? Becasue most Democrats were OK with both of them at the time that they started. Both in Washington and "regular" people. --- It takes zero effort to be a good person. <cite>bigblu89 posted [p:978855815] in Did the pe... [t:80697248]...</cite> <quote>Cruciferous posted... </cite><quote>Can't believe ce still thinks the left in the USA is actually leftObama basically Bush Jr Jr</quote>People in the US just thinks "Left" is Democrat and "Right" is Republican.But on topic...Which Iraq war are we talking about? Bush Sr's war or Bush Jr's war?Becasue most Democrats were OK with both of them at the time that they started. Both in Washington and "regular" people. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 02/15/24 9:56:52 AM #20:	Dems are center-right, not left. The US doesn't have a "left" element. I thought this was basic knowledge. --- Calling out stupid or reckless decision-making is not "victim blaming." <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:978855839] in Did the pe... [t:80697248]...</cite> <quote>Dems are center-right, not left. The US doesn't have a "left" element. I thought this was basic knowledge. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tankboy 02/15/24 9:58:21 AM #21:	Westernwolf4 posted... I think it is pretty hard to hold the left accountable for this when a lot of their opinion was shaped by a GOP campaign of lies spewed from a huge government platform. Lies that were impossible to verify at the time because they were based on info only the government has access to. I agree. I think we (liberals) made the best decision with the information we had at the time. I also think it is unfair to conflate winning the war with losing the peace. <cite>tankboy posted [p:978855856] in Did the pe... [t:80697248]...</cite> <quote>Westernwolf4 posted... </cite><quote>I think it is pretty hard to hold the left accountable for this when a lot of their opinion was shaped by a GOP campaign of lies spewed from a huge government platform. Lies that were impossible to verify at the time because they were based on info only the government has access to.</quote>I agree. I think we (liberals) made the best decision with the information we had at the time. I also think it is unfair to conflate winning the war with losing the peace.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IceCreamOnStero 02/15/24 9:59:44 AM #22:	cjsdowg posted... Leftism to me and on the left are different. I basically mean Democrats when I say on the left. Leftism seems like people like Sanders Sanders is at the very beginning of leftism. You're asking whether centrist liberals that pushed for Iraq admitted they were wrong. No, they didn't. They pretend like they were against Iraq all along and it all just stemmed from Bush being the baddest guy ever. Bush is of course a repugnant war criminal, but he was working hand in hand with the liberal establishment. --- Dokkan ID: 2365415872 <cite>IceCreamOnStero posted [p:978855880] in Did the pe... [t:80697248]...</cite> <quote>cjsdowg posted... </cite><quote>Leftism to me and on the left are different. I basically mean Democrats when I say on the left. Leftism seems like people like Sanders</quote>Sanders is at the very beginning of leftism. You're asking whether centrist liberals that pushed for Iraq admitted they were wrong.No, they didn't. They pretend like they were against Iraq all along and it all just stemmed from Bush being the baddest guy ever. Bush is of course a repugnant war criminal, but he was working hand in hand with the liberal establishment. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 02/15/24 10:01:08 AM #23:	Unfortunately I was a mid-teen at the time and my father was a Bush fan, so I didn't have much choice but to listen to the "new sheriff in this town" propaganda. I'm glad I managed to move past that though. --- Calling out stupid or reckless decision-making is not "victim blaming." <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:978855905] in Did the pe... [t:80697248]...</cite> <quote>Unfortunately I was a mid-teen at the time and my father was a Bush fan, so I didn't have much choice but to listen to the "new sheriff in this town" propaganda. I'm glad I managed to move past that though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Torgo 02/15/24 10:10:08 AM #24:	Never supported it. Got called a terrorist for my trouble. I can't speak for anyone else. --- Moderated for telling people not to commit illegal acts of assault and murder.09/2/23 Also moderated for not responding to obvious bait. - 10/03/23 <cite>Torgo posted [p:978856026] in Did the pe... [t:80697248]...</cite> <quote>Never supported it.Got called a terrorist for my trouble.I can't speak for anyone else. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ai123 02/15/24 10:14:05 AM #25:	The people telling you that Joe Biden's (!) Democratic Party is made up of extreme leftists with a socialist agenda are . . . Republicans. So, obviously it's bullshit. --- 'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'. <cite>ai123 posted [p:978856091] in Did the pe... [t:80697248]...</cite> <quote>The people telling you that Joe Biden's (!) Democratic Party is made up of extreme leftists with a socialist agenda are . . . Republicans.So, obviously it's bullshit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 02/15/24 10:15:13 AM #26:	There were dems who supported it. Dems are not the left. Bernie Sanders is actually left of center and voted against it. He also voted against the first Iraq war as well. --- Furthermore, The GOP is a Fascist Organization and must be destroyed <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:978856104] in Did the pe... [t:80697248]...</cite> <quote>There were dems who supported it. Dems are not the left. Bernie Sanders is actually left of center and voted against it. He also voted against the first Iraq war as well. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 02/15/24 10:19:36 AM #27:	Obama voted against too. --- If you say I am wrong, then prove that you are right. <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:978856183] in Did the pe... [t:80697248]...</cite> <quote>Obama voted against too. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 02/15/24 10:25:22 AM #28:	cjsdowg posted... Obama voted against too. Obama didn't become a senator until 2005 --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:978856274] in Did the pe... [t:80697248]...</cite> <quote>cjsdowg posted... </cite><quote>Obama voted against too.</quote>Obama didn't become a senator until 2005 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smackems 02/15/24 10:29:51 AM #29:	BoTh SiDeS --- Common sense says it may not taste good, but it'll make a turd. <cite>Smackems posted [p:978856330] in Did the pe... [t:80697248]...</cite> <quote>BoTh SiDeS </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 02/15/24 10:47:30 AM #30:	Smackems posted... BoTh SiDeS If democrats whats people to stop saying both sides. So doing things like attacking people protesting for peace --- If you say I am wrong, then prove that you are right. <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:978856637] in Did the pe... [t:80697248]...</cite> <quote>Smackems posted... </cite><quote>BoTh SiDeS</quote>If democrats whats people to stop saying both sides. So doing things like attacking people protesting for peace </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dark_Arbron 02/15/24 11:06:24 AM #32:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] If your 40th birthday is coming up, happy birthday! I'm coming up on 36 and I was 13ish at that same time, with unhealthy influences in my ear. And yes, I now feel old. --- Calling out stupid or reckless decision-making is not "victim blaming." <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:978856924] in Did the pe... [t:80697248]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> If your 40th birthday is coming up, happy birthday! I'm coming up on 36 and I was 13ish at that same time, with unhealthy influences in my ear. And yes, I now feel old. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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nocturnal_traveler 02/15/24 11:10:44 AM #34:	I was against Middle East involvement from day one. Most people just wanted the US to get the terrorist group involved (any random group would've sufficed). Unfortunately Republicans were in charge at the time, and used that opportunity (still think it was planned) to put us in yet another pointless war. --- --I understand your opinion. I just don't care about it. ~Jedah-- <cite>nocturnal_traveler posted [p:978856985] in Did the pe... [t:80697248]...</cite> <quote>I was against Middle East involvement from day one. Most people just wanted the US to get the terrorist group involved (any random group would've sufficed). Unfortunately Republicans were in charge at the time, and used that opportunity (still think it was planned) to put us in yet another pointless war. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tanthalas 02/15/24 2:40:07 PM #35:	cjsdowg posted... If democrats whats people to stop saying both sides. So doing things like attacking people protesting for peace At least you admit to it I guess. --- Sir Markham pointed out, drinking another brandy. "A chap who can point at you and say 'die' has the distinct advantage". <cite>Tanthalas posted [p:978860604] in Did the pe... [t:80697248]...</cite> <quote>cjsdowg posted... </cite><quote>If democrats whats people to stop saying both sides. So doing things like attacking people protesting for peace</quote>At least you admit to it I guess. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 02/15/24 3:19:09 PM #36:	Tanthalas posted... At least you admit to it I guess. Admit what. I likened Republicans to the worst people said more then once how they endangered lives. That doesn't mean I am with the democrats attacking people calling for peace or our admin literally defending war crimes. How am I wrong with that stance? --- If you say I am wrong, then prove that you are right. <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:978861358] in Did the pe... [t:80697248]...</cite> <quote>Tanthalas posted... </cite><quote>At least you admit to it I guess.</quote>Admit what. I likened Republicans to the worst people said more then once how they endangered lives. That doesn't mean I am with the democrats attacking people calling for peace or our admin literally defending war crimes. How am I wrong with that stance? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EPR-radar 02/15/24 4:49:12 PM #37:	Westernwolf4 posted... I think it is pretty hard to hold the left accountable for this when a lot of their opinion was shaped by a GOP campaign of lies spewed from a huge government platform. Lies that were impossible to verify at the time because they were based on info only the government has access to. I was not pushing for war or anything, but I did assume that the government had some valid information they must be acting on to take such an extreme course. I did not think they would be brazen enough to just fabricate intel about WMD to wave in front of their citizens just to go invade Iraq. It was my introduction to the utter depravity of the GOP not just as an entity I disagreed with, but as a force for corruption and evil. I dont know how many on this board are old enough to have strong memories of 9/11 and the time that followed-it was a very scary and uncertain time. I was living in DC, and my wife worked close enough to the Pentagon that the crash rattled her windows. It all felt scary and oppressive, and people were willing to trust their government in a way that was not true before or since because of it. And Bush and the GOP abused that trust, one of the great sins of the modern GOP. We were all ready to be united behind strong leadership-they could have brought America together like never before. Instead they used 9/11 to lie to us, start a pointless horrible war, and stoke fear and division so GWB could win an election in 2004. All too true. There's also the important point that Bush administration lies were being propagated uncritically by the mainstream media in the lead-up to the Iraq war. --- "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." -- 1984 <cite>EPR-radar posted [p:978863041] in Did the pe... [t:80697248]...</cite> <quote>Westernwolf4 posted... </cite><quote>I think it is pretty hard to hold the left accountable for this when a lot of their opinion was shaped by a GOP campaign of lies spewed from a huge government platform. Lies that were impossible to verify at the time because they were based on info only the government has access to.I was not pushing for war or anything, but I did assume that the government had some valid information they must be acting on to take such an extreme course. I did not think they would be brazen enough to just fabricate intel about WMD to wave in front of their citizens just to go invade Iraq. It was my introduction to the utter depravity of the GOP not just as an entity I disagreed with, but as a force for corruption and evil.I dont know how many on this board are old enough to have strong memories of 9/11 and the time that followed-it was a very scary and uncertain time. I was living in DC, and my wife worked close enough to the Pentagon that the crash rattled her windows. It all felt scary and oppressive, and people were willing to trust their government in a way that was not true before or since because of it.And Bush and the GOP abused that trust, one of the great sins of the modern GOP. We were all ready to be united behind strong leadership-they could have brought America together like never before. Instead they used 9/11 to lie to us, start a pointless horrible war, and stoke fear and division so GWB could win an election in 2004.</quote>All too true.There's also the important point that Bush administration lies were being propagated uncritically by the mainstream media in the lead-up to the Iraq war. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Westernwolf4 02/15/24 5:12:17 PM #38:	EPR-radar posted... All too true. There's also the important point that Bush administration lies were being propagated uncritically by the mainstream media in the lead-up to the Iraq war. That is a very important point, thank you. The apathy (complicity?) of the media was absolutely a big reason why the GOP scheme was able to succeed. --- An opinion does not turn into a fact simply because the person holding it feels strongly about it. <cite>Westernwolf4 posted [p:978863436] in Did the pe... [t:80697248]...</cite> <quote>EPR-radar posted... </cite><quote>All too true.There's also the important point that Bush administration lies were being propagated uncritically by the mainstream media in the lead-up to the Iraq war.</quote>That is a very important point, thank you. The apathy (complicity?) of the media was absolutely a big reason why the GOP scheme was able to succeed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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