Current Events > Jon Stewart is killing it on The Daily Show.

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Enclave posted...

I'm not straw manning, I'm dismissing.

So your entire point was to come into the topic, respond to comments with irrelevant things and then say that you don't want to say anything else.

I repeat, brilliant response.

Prestoff posted...

Not really, John is still doing his "both sides, but leaning in favor on the left of the political spectrum" bit. Though to be fair, he was still doing the same thing since his early days on the Daily Show.

The only thing he "both sides" was that they're both old af which is objectively true. He was way more critical of Trump throughout the segment. Are we just supposed to ignore the glaring issue of their age or something

Smashingpmkns posted...

Are we just supposed to ignore the glaring issue of their age or something

Exactly who is ignoring it? It's been a constant drum beat from both one candidate, one side, and the media for months.

The very reason I pointed out TDS's best part of the segment being pointing out people have "memory issues" in depositions is a good example of this. The media has been useless and TDS is good to put spotlights on that.... not old people are old.

Why is he focusing on Bidens age instead of his open support for genocide?

Without having watched to see how harsh he actually was on Biden, I think some poking fun at the issues people are already talking about at least helps encourage casual liberals to stay involved in politics. As sad as it is that it's come to this, media sensationalism seems to play a big part in peoples' civic involvement and Jon Stewart is the closest Democrats have to unsophisticated humor, almost needed to counter out the casual impressionable voters turned on by Trump's celebrity persona. As long as he still shows Trump being the idiot he is and emphasizes the reasons why Americans should be afraid of him without making too light of the problem, I would think Jon Stewart does much more good than harm for Biden. Of course, he could use his position to jump on the Biden hate-fest while neglecting to go after Trump because it's too cliche, but I'd hope he has more sense than to do that.

aarrgus posted...

Exactly who is ignoring it? It's been a constant drum beat from both one candidate, one side, and the media for months.

Meanwhile said media has been almost entirely ignoring the issue that Trump is a fascist, which might just be relevant in an election year because he's running for president to enact a fascist agenda.

It isn't up to Jon to hide every concern people have for Biden and the Dems.

Back in 2004 another weak candidate name John Kerry went on the daily show and bombed the interview. Jon was giving Kerry all the slack he could but a weak candidate in the end is a weak candidate. Jon hated Bush and his war but the dems put up Kerry. The low enthusiasm trend for dems started since Al Gore and keeps going.

EPR-radar posted...

Meanwhile said media has been almost entirely ignoring the issue that T**** is a fascist, which might just be relevant in an election year because he's running for president to enact a fascist agenda.

Exactly.

I fully expect Stewart and TDS to go in on this much harder than the mainstream media in future segments. I do wish it had been a larger part of or more impactful part of this segment, even if the scope or purpose had changed a bit.

aarrgus posted...

Exactly.

I fully expect Stewart and TDS to go in on this much harder than the mainstream media in future segments. I do wish it had been a larger part of or more impactful part of this segment, even if the scope or purpose had changed a bit.

Did you really self censor Trump in a quote lol

EPR-radar posted...

Meanwhile said media has been almost entirely ignoring the issue that Trump is a fascist, which might just be relevant in an election year because he's running for president to enact a fascist agenda.

The capitalists who own the major media outlets are perfectly fine with a fascist takeover. Thats just more money and influence for them, they say.

I think all those talk shows are terrible. Not only are they all fake as hell, but the hosts tend to be horrible in real life.

I think it's really weird to see certain people apparently agree and accept that voters should care about the aesthetics of politicians rather than actual historical policy successes and fails.

Kain_Highwind posted...

Did you really self censor Trump in a quote lol

the daily show is tds man

Bad_Mojo posted...

I think all those talk shows are terrible. Not only are they all fake as hell, but the hosts tend to be horrible in real life.

Sit down, Rain.

emblem-man posted...

I think it's really weird to see certain people apparently agree and accept that voters should care about the aesthetics of politicians rather than actual historical policy successes and fails.

joe biden is one of the last people on the democrat end of things that would want you to look at his history of policy success and failure, especially most anything he did pre-presidency

chuds chudding as usual

MarcyWarcy posted...

joe biden is one of the last people on the democrat end of things that would want you to look at his history of policy success and failure, especially most anything he did pre-presidency

Or I can just look at his policy history during his time as President

emblem-man posted...

I think it's really weird to see certain people apparently agree and accept that voters should care about the aesthetics of politicians rather than actual historical policy successes and fails.

emblem-man posted...

Or I can just look at his policy history during his time as President

Agreed that the focus should be on his job as President and what all he could have done better with the situations he was given during that time. However, addressing his aesthetic appeal is just addressing the elephant in the room, and so rather than ignore things like Biden's age being an issue to so many voters, it's better to embrace that it is a popular sentiment and mitigate the bad effects it has by either discrediting such a sentiment or belittling its relevance by touching on it before moving on to the issues that should actually be on the forefront of voters' minds.

LoZguy709 posted...

, it's better to embrace that it is a popular sentiment and mitigate the bad effects it has by either discrediting such a sentiment or belittling its relevance by touching on it before moving on to the issues that should actually be on the forefront of voters' minds.

Republican, Democrats, and journalists have publicly stated that in direct conversation and communication with Biden that he is sharp and understands the situation as they come up.

Jons little segment is about dismissing the party directly addressing the age concerns

https://twitter.com/micsolana/status/1757415234711798052?t=rj2d4CcVAlbJmJEiFbKLlw&s=19

Bestoffuture posted...

Ignoring Biden's obvious flaws doesn't do any good.

If ignoring Biden's flaws means we don't get a heavily skewed Supreme Court that leans conservative in every case until at least five whole people fall over or retire, then I can hold my nose.

From last I counted, the left has three solid justices and the other side has...well everyone else. I'm not a big math person.

SaikyoStyle posted...

Even if the Democrats did run someone else, the people who call themselves leftists would just talk themselves out of voting for that candidate too.

So much this. Meanwhile the GoP just shows up in numbers and votes without question. Evangelicals have all but said voting for Trump has little to do with God and more with getting their agendas passed. Why can't democrats think like that?

Finally getting into it. Of course Jon always went after both sides when stupid happens. It's not his fault one side vastly ramped up the stupid.

refmon posted...

Why is he focusing on Bidens age instead of his open support for genocide?

Probably because he's a grown adult and not a discord teenager who thinks any war is a genocide

I don't find him funny...like at all

wannabepranksta posted...

I don't find him funny...like at all

its b/c hes not and never has been

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXBNXznzN8k
yet another progressive dumbass who didn't understand the segment

archizzy posted...

and immediately did a bait and switch and showed video trashing Trump himself with statement after statement in video of him saying he doesnt remember and mocked him for saying he didnt remember claiming to have a great memory. He showed video of the entire Trump family not remembering

He clearly was mocking Trump for what people perceive Biden for and this was your disappointed takeaway? That he was trashing Biden?

So he used pictures of the actual verbiage of Hur's report about Biden (which everybody knows about by now), showed Trump in a similar deposition not answering things, yet didn't elaborate at all on how inappropriate it was or irrelevant to anything. Yes, I watched that part of the segment as well. I just don't think it was handled well at all.

I get you think that justifies it, but to me it doesn't. To me it's the same laziness that the mainstream media did jizzing all over themselves on the Hur report because he never actually discounts it, how the media inappropriately responded to and handled it.

There's literally no need to even bring up the Hur report just to dunk on Trump as Trump's own words would have sufficed. Instead he showed actual visuals of the most "damnable" part of the report for small-minded people and then made no attempt to elaborate on what the report actually was or how little it matters beyond the page in the 200s detailing no evidence for intentional mishandling of the material.

Jon Stewart was and is known for going places and saying things the mainstream media won't, and here he just seemed like some lame comedy attempt at MSNBC or CNN.

emblem-man posted...

Republican, Democrats, and journalists have publicly stated that in direct conversation and communication with Biden that he is sharp and understands the situation as they come up.

Jons little segment is about dismissing the party directly addressing the age concerns

https://twitter.com/micsolana/status/1757415234711798052?t=rj2d4CcVAlbJmJEiFbKLlw&s=19

Yeah, he didn't do nearly enough in my opinion to distinguish Trump from Biden, at least in that segment. I guess you could take some of the criticism as constructive, like the Biden campaign team could do better to show him when he looks more like a commanding leader full of energy, but the clip does reek of a lot of the internal criticism that started among Democrats once Bernie entered onto the scene. Overall, if his show keeps up the attitude of that snippet, Jon Stewart will probably be more responsible for voter apathy than fighting against it. I'm just going to hope it was intentional that he wanted to start off on a less seemingly biased foot.

Jon's still got it, making all the crater heads cry

masterpug53 posted...

Prime Daily Show-era Jon Stewart is a relic of a simpler time, when Oblivious Centrist might as well have been an official party designation, and we all thought that pointing and laughing at clips of Republicans being stupid / hypocritical would shame them into better behavior.

If he truly hasn't changed at all in the past ten years, he's going to age about as well as iPods and Vine.

Ipods age just fine.

LoZguy709 posted...

Yeah, he didn't do nearly enough in my opinion to distinguish Trump from Biden, at least in that segment. I guess you could take some of the criticism as constructive, like the Biden campaign team could do better to show him when he looks more like a commanding leader full of energy, but the clip does reek of a lot of the internal criticism that started among Democrats once Bernie entered onto the scene. Overall, if his show keeps up the attitude of that snippet, Jon Stewart will probably be more responsible for voter apathy than fighting against it. I'm just going to hope it was intentional that he wanted to start off on a less seemingly biased foot.

https://youtu.be/OdSFLDDCvS4?si=9yNm4eh9eFsXFe1S

I'm curious if they mean stuff like this is what they want to see more

EPR-radar posted...

I've read this episode was a steaming load of both-sides crap regarding Biden and Trump.

Ugh.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/jon-stewart-goes-absolutely-off-054558483.html

Tbh, it kinda did.

His closing message was literally was regardless who wins bs which definitely is some "same thing both sides." His angle was along the lines of no matter who wins, everyday people will keep the country running normally, and that we aren't "saved" no matter who wins. As if both candidates are attempting to doom the country.

His closing message is categorically just wrong. Depending on who wins this November, does have a large impact on a lot of people's everyday lives.

LightningThief posted...

His closing message was literally was regardless who wins the country bs which definitely is some "same thing both sides" shit that no matter who wins, everyday people will keep the country running normally.

Having just watched it that's not what I got from it at all. To me it came off as "No matter who's running the country, remain vigilant. Because the chance of it being someone malicious or incompetent is too great"

It's really weird to see how absolutely pissed off progressive media got at this well maybe not the young turks those guys are nothing but outrage peddlers

TheSavageDragon posted...

Having just watched it that's not what I got from it at all. To me it came off as "No matter who's running the country, remain vigilant. Because the chance of it being someone malicious or incompetent is too great"

That's still roundabout bothsiderism. It's that kind of roundabout bothsiderism that partially resulted in Roe v Wade getting overturned. This idea that "regardless who wins, the country is fucked regardless" logic that is just dumb and wrong.

Who wins the presidency actually determines a lot of how "vigilant" people have to be. As one candidate literally wants to actively take the country backwards and has openly stated he will be installing loyalist this time to make sure it happens.

It literally matters who wins. This isnt a "regardless who wins, we are all fucked" election. This is the small fraction of the left that loves to shoot itself in the foot agreeing with Centrist and Republicans (for different reasons.)

LightningThief posted...

That's still roundabout bothsiderism. It's partially that resulted in Roe v Wade getting overturned. This idea that "regardless who wins, the country is fucked regardless" logic that is just dumb and wrong

Who wins the presidency actually determines a lot of how "vigilant" people have to be. As one candidate literally wants to actively take the country backwards.
It literally matters who wins.

See here's the thing. The notion of staying vigilant no matter who's running it and "regardless who wins we're fucked" are both very different things.
Like I agree Trump winning would be bad, not just for the US (which I'm not a part of) and the world at large. But the notion of "Just because the person you supported won, doesn't mean you've won" is something I can get behind.

And hell, the entire thing wasn't about "no matter who wins". It was about "Why the fuck do we give this much power to people who've reached an age where the average person is barely able to take care of themselves, let alone a whole country or Earth itself"

TheSavageDragon posted...

See here's the thing. The notion of staying vigilant no matter who's running it and "regardless who wins we're fucked" are both very different things.

He literally claimed regardless who wins the country isn't saved and the country isn't over. Lol. As if both candidates are equally dangerous and problematic.

Both candidates do not require the same level of vigilance. It literally, not metaphorically, literally matters who wins in November.

SaikyoStyle posted...

The capitalists who own the major media outlets are perfectly fine with a fascist takeover. Thats just more money and influence for them, they say.

This. Capitalists will always side with fascists.

LightningThief posted...

He literally claimed regardless who wins the country isn't saved and the country isn't over. Lol

Both sides morons would be much less irritating if they were literate.

tremain07 posted...

It's really weird to see how absolutely pissed off progressive media got at this well maybe not the young turks those guys are nothing but outrage peddlers

It's mostly the liberals that are pissed rather than progressives. Plenty of progressive commentators are talking positively about the show.

Enclave posted...

It's mostly the liberals that are pissed rather than progressives. Plenty of progressive commentators are talking positively about the show.

The question of course is WHY are those progressives positive about it....

Progressives were out ahead on the issue of false equivalency, both sides-ism, rampant in the media. If they are blatantly turning a blind eye to this one has to wonder why? Is it because they suddenly are big fans of the false both sides-ism or is it that they are still fighting that idiotic 2016/2020 fight.

.... or are they just the progressive grifters that people have been warned about (like Nina Turner, etc)

LightningThief posted...

He literally claimed regardless who wins the country isn't saved and the country isn't over. Lol. As if both candidates are equally dangerous and problematic.

Both candidates do not require the same level of vigilance. It literally, not metaphorically, literally matters who wins in November.

And again, I agree with that. Let me bold the thing you skipped over.

TheSavageDragon posted...

It was about "Why the fuck do we give this much power to people who've reached an age where the average person is barely able to take care of themselves, let alone a whole country or Earth itself"

Yes, Trump would be net negative across the globe. Biden would be more positive on a massive scale. But what he's saying is not "choose between evil or the well meaning old man", it's "why the fuck should you make that choice at all?"

Granted, this is coming from someone living in a monarchy. I've held the opinion pretty much my entire life we shouldn't be letting people in their 70s removed from the majority of the population making decisions that affect us all.

The root of the problem is that Biden was picked because he's the only one that the " moderates" would tolerate for a president....EVERY other candidate was rejected as being" to hostile" to Trump supporters and that's why no one seriously even ran in the primaries...to " appease" moderates democrats can only offer safe candidates like Biden it seems, and it makes them even more bitter that they have to put up with someone they only run with because those around them won't accept who they want in the first place.

TheSavageDragon posted...

And again, I agree with that. Let me bold the thing you skipped over.

LightningThief posted...

He literally claimed regardless who wins the country isn't saved and the country isn't over. Lol. As if both candidates are equally dangerous and problematic.

I skipped over it because you are trying to find excuses for him ignoring what he literally said.

Your "why the fuck should you make that choice at all" angle is yet another roundabout "both sides bad" argument.

Necronmon posted...

The root of the problem is that Biden was picked because he's the only one that the " moderates" would tolerate for a president....EVERY other candidate was rejected as being" to hostile" to Trump supporters and that's why no one seriously even ran in the primaries...to " appease" moderates democrats can only offer safe candidates like Biden it seems.

To steal a quote from Rumsfeld "you go to war with the electorate you have, not the electorate you'd like to have"

LightningThief posted...

I skipped over it because you are trying to find excuses for him ignoring what he literally said.

Your "why the fuck should you make that choice at all" angle is yet another roundabout "both sides bad" argument.

I see where the problem lies. You seeing what he "literally said" is a different thing from what I saw he "literally said".
I'd like to make clear I'm not one to partake in the "one side or the other" US politics because I'm from a country where such a thing doesn't even exist. We have multiple parties leaning left or right on the political spectrum.
The right leaning parties in my country are more to the left of yours and the left leaning ones even more than that. I see no problem with "Remain vigilant no matter who's in charge" while you see it as something entirely different.

TheSavageDragon posted...

I see where the problem lies. You seeing what he "literally said" is a different thing from what I saw he "literally said".
I'd like to make clear I'm not one to partake in the "one side or the other" US politics because I'm from a country where such a thing doesn't even exist. We have multiple parties leaning left or right on the political spectrum.
The right leaning parties in my country are more to the left of yours and the left leaning ones even more than that. I see no problem with "Remain vigilant no matter who's in charge" while you see it as something entirely different.

This explains a lot about your roundabout bothsiderism lol.

You aren't helping your cause with that post given "both sides bad" tend to claim many of the things your post just said.

TheSavageDragon posted...

I see where the problem lies. You seeing what he "literally said" is a different thing from what I saw he "literally said".
I'd like to make clear I'm not one to partake in the "one side or the other" US politics because I'm from a country where such a thing doesn't even exist. We have multiple parties leaning left or right on the political spectrum.
The right leaning parties in my country are more to the left of yours and the left leaning ones even more than that. I see no problem with "Remain vigilant no matter who's in charge" while you see it as something entirely different.

Cool, so you're playing Devil's Advocate about shit that doesn't actually effect you.

LightningThief posted...

This explains a lot about your roundabout bothsiderism

Well if you feel it explains it, that's good enough. Whatever you need to tell yourself.

DrizztLink posted...

Cool, so you're playing Devil's Advocate about shit that doesn't actually effect you.

I don't agree with that statement at all.
You guys come from the country that prides itself on being "the best in the world" and "the leading nation". And as much as I hate to admit it, you're fucking right.
I didn't hear a peep about trans people here until your Republicans started making a big stink about it. Now I suddenly find myself having to explain things to friends and family which I personally have little experience with despite sympathising with their plight.
The fact is that what you guys in general do and whatever dipshit is leading you sadly affects us all.

TheSavageDragon posted...

I didn't hear a peep about trans people here until your Republicans started making a big stink about it. Now I suddenly find myself having to explain things to friends and family which I personally have little experience with despite sympathising with their plight.

You entirely sure about that?

Because they're pretty fuckin' worried about Project 2025.