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1337toothbrush
02/13/24 12:22:06 PM
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Mega_Mana posted...
Just started reading Mockingjay for the first time. Third book spoilers

Peeta is in the capitol giving his first interview and is urging a cease-fire. This is Gale's reaction soon after.

Gale's expression darkens. "Peeta might have done a lot of damage tonight. Most of the rebels will dismiss what he said immediately, of course. But there are districts where the resistance is shakier. The cease-fire's clearly President Snow's idea. But it seems so reasonable coming out of Peeta's mouth."

Jon might have done a lot of damage last night. Most people who know how just bad Trump is will understand where he's coming from immediately. But there are millions who attentions have been shakier. The jokes seem so reasonable coming out of his mouth, but it equates two in age without anything else. It levels them out for no reason.
This post is peak democrat, from the young adult media reference to the reduction of all criticism of democrats as "both sides". If it's so important to defeat trump, you'd think democrats would try harder, first and foremost by picking a candidate that doesn't suck so much ass.

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Heineken14
02/13/24 12:27:04 PM
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1337toothbrush posted...
This post is peak democrat, from the young adult media reference to the reduction of all criticism of democrats as "both sides". If it's so important to defeat trump, you'd think democrats would try harder, first and foremost by picking a candidate that doesn't suck so much ass.

You'd think if this mythical perfect candidate existed that didn't suck so much ass, they would run for president and easily wipe the floor with everyone.

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lolife67
02/13/24 12:35:28 PM
#53:


Heineken14 posted...
You'd think if this mythical perfect candidate existed that didn't suck so much ass, they would run for president and easily wipe the floor with everyone.
"Better than Biden" doesn't equate to "perfect." And if you think it does then that's a pretty bad take.
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1337toothbrush
02/13/24 12:43:40 PM
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Heineken14 posted...
You'd think if this mythical perfect candidate existed that didn't suck so much ass, they would run for president and easily wipe the floor with everyone.
Another common democrat trope in this post: "if you don't like our shitty-ass candidate then that means you're demanding nothing less than perfection"

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masterpug53
02/13/24 12:45:36 PM
#55:


1337toothbrush posted...
Another common democrat trope in this post: "if you don't like our shitty-ass candidate then that means you're demanding nothing less than perfection"

Pretty big talk to complain about tired tropes when you're dusting off the old 'do better than Biden' playbook that hasn't been updated since early 2020.

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-ZIO-
02/13/24 12:47:16 PM
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Why update the stance when they haven't done better than Biden since early 2020?

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1337toothbrush
02/13/24 12:48:37 PM
#57:


masterpug53 posted...
Pretty big talk to complain about tired tropes when you're dusting off the old 'do better than Biden' playbook that hasn't been updated since early 2020.
This is rich coming from the "at least we're not trump" party.

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masterpug53
02/13/24 12:50:14 PM
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-ZIO- posted...
Why update the stance when they haven't done better than Biden since early 2020?

The guy who won the presidency and earned a record-breaking amount of the popular vote? The guy who overwhelmingly won on write-in alone in New Hampshire? Yes, I'd say the 2020 'do better than Biden' playbook could stand some tweaking based on evidence revealed since then. Assuming the people using that playbook are actually doing so in good faith.

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Enclave
02/13/24 12:51:04 PM
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Rexdragon125 posted...
Don't get upset when you struggle with basic concepts like harm reduction

Shoving your head in the sand and pretending nothing is wrong is how we got Trump in the first place, Hillary was a seriously flawed candidate but nobody was allowed to point that out.

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-ZIO-
02/13/24 12:51:44 PM
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masterpug53 posted...


The guy who won the presidency and earned a record-breaking amount of the popular vote?
Yeah.

masterpug53 posted...
The guy who overwhelmingly won on write-in alone in New Hampshire?
Yeah.

Do better than "not trump".

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masterpug53
02/13/24 12:54:03 PM
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-ZIO- posted...
Yeah.

Yeah.

Do better than "not trump".

Sage advice, Captain Falcon America.

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1337toothbrush
02/13/24 12:54:25 PM
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masterpug53 posted...
The guy who won the presidency and earned a record-breaking amount of the popular vote? The guy who overwhelmingly won on write-in alone in New Hampshire? Yes, I'd say the 2020 'do better than Biden' playbook could stand some tweaking based on evidence revealed since then. Assuming the people using that playbook are actually doing so in good faith.
You mean the guy who ran during covid where voting was made easier than ever? That election had a record-breaking number of votes in total, giving trump the second-most votes ever.

Bragging about primary votes while an incumbent is running is like bragging that putin got 98% of the vote.

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HylianFox
02/13/24 12:57:55 PM
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-ZIO- posted...
Yeah.

Do better than "not trump".

Literally everyone who isn't Trump is "Not Trump"
>_>

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-ZIO-
02/13/24 1:02:41 PM
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Well yeah, that's true. But let's not kid ourselves. The only reason Biden made it across the finish line was because of that reason.

Well, that and $2,000 immediately straight into your bank account if Dems take Georgia.

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aarrgus
02/13/24 1:12:08 PM
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1337toothbrush posted...
If it's so important to defeat t****, you'd think democrats would try harder, first and foremost by picking a candidate that doesn't suck so much ass.

So apparently being old is the same as "suck(ing) so much ass".

One candidate is old, the other is old and evil. SAME THING!


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XxX_6GAMING9GOKU_XxX
02/13/24 1:15:40 PM
#66:


aarrgus posted...
So apparently being old is the same as "suck(ing) so much ass".

One candidate is old, the other is old and evil. SAME THING!

The one you're saying is just old and not evil is supporting a genocide lmao. They're both old and evil hth

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Prestoff
02/13/24 1:17:11 PM
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Okay that was great. Just finished watching the whole episode, Jon Stewart still got it. Wish he got more than a Monday segment, but it's better than nothing.

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aarrgus
02/13/24 1:18:24 PM
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XxX_6GAMING9GOKU_XxX posted...
The one you're saying is just old and not evil is supporting a genocide lmao.

Fuck off. Tired of this bullshit line that Biden is supporting a genocide. Biden doesn't control Israel. We can only exert so much influence over their policy.

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1337toothbrush
02/13/24 1:23:01 PM
#69:


aarrgus posted...
Fuck off. Tired of this bullshit line that Biden is supporting a genocide. Biden doesn't control Israel. We can only exert so much influence over their policy.
*proceeds to bypass congress to throw billions at israel*

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SaikyoStyle
02/13/24 1:24:01 PM
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Even if the Democrats did run someone else, the people who call themselves leftists would just talk themselves out of voting for that candidate too.

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1337toothbrush
02/13/24 1:27:18 PM
#72:


SaikyoStyle posted...
Even if the Democrats did run someone else, the people who call themselves leftists would just talk themselves out of voting for that candidate too.
I voted for biden after he was the forced nominee. It's not just an excuse, I want someone better. By the way, congrats on showing off yet another democrat trope of "if they complain then they're fake progressives and/or they weren't going to vote for a democrat anyway"

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aarrgus
02/13/24 1:27:18 PM
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1337toothbrush posted...
*proceeds to bypass congress to throw billions at israel*

Are you talking about the $250 million in arms sales that were made in December?

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Kradek
02/13/24 1:32:55 PM
#73:


EPR-radar posted...
I've read this episode was a steaming load of both-sides crap regarding Biden and Trump.

Ugh.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/jon-stewart-goes-absolutely-off-054558483.html

He did do that for a segment and to a disappointing degree. Like, he brought up Hur's report and the clearly loaded verbiage about Biden's age and ability to remember...without mentioning that it was a political hit job and that it's completely improper for a prosecutor to even insert that kind of language into a report to begin with. Or the fact that he misled the media and public with his first page and then 280 pages later is all "but there's no actual evidence of intentional mishandling, so I'm not gonna charge". Instead he just kept harping on the "Biden old" disingenuous nonsense which we're likely to find out much of which was just typical lies from a Republican if Biden releases the full transcript. I was pretty disappointed in Jon because he is typically far better than the mainstream media, however in that instance he was just as lame as they were jizzing over the "Biden old, can't even remember his own son's death date" nonsense.

He also criticized his decision to not do the pre-game super bowl interview and brought up his TikTok advertisement in a rather disingenuous way. He stops halfway through the advertisement, where Biden is asked Mahomes or Purdy (I think) and Biden starts talking about cookies in a senile-ish rambling way, however when you play the rest of the advertisement it becomes pretty apparent that it was a bit intentionally playing into the "Biden old/senile" trope with a mocking tone because the very next line is about how he rigged the super bowl per right-wing Taylor Swift x Biden conspiracies. Yet Jon stopped halfway and didn't play the rest, so he presented it as "Biden made himself look senile for no reason, boo on his advisors!", when the rest of the ad gives full context.

He was all around good from what I saw (didn't see the whole thing), however I was disappointed with him for those 2 parts.

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Smashingpmkns
02/13/24 1:46:42 PM
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Stewart being too far left for liberals in 2024 is pretty funny ngl

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Bestoffuture
02/13/24 1:48:18 PM
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Ignoring Biden's obvious flaws doesn't do any good.

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aarrgus
02/13/24 1:48:41 PM
#76:


Smashingpmkns posted...
Stewart being too far left for liberals in 2024 is pretty funny ngl

I am pretty sure the criticism is him being same thing both sides, not too far left...

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aarrgus
02/13/24 1:53:40 PM
#77:


Bestoffuture posted...
Ignoring Biden's obvious flaws doesn't do any good.

No one is ignoring the reality.

Biden old is reality. It's not necessarily a flaw, but it's not a benefit. Biden flubbing something is not unusual, he's done it for decades. He stutters, he rambles, he bumbles. Stripping that context out of the reality is a problem. Portraying it as something "new" is a problem. Pushing it as being equal to the tangible danger of another "clearly showing the signs of aging" candidate that is in every conceivable way worse and dangerous to the country and the world is stupid.


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Prestoff
02/13/24 1:54:45 PM
#78:


Smashingpmkns posted...
Stewart being too far left for liberals in 2024 is pretty funny ngl

Not really, John is still doing his "both sides, but leaning in favor on the left of the political spectrum" bit. Though to be fair, he was still doing the same thing since his early days on the Daily Show.

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aarrgus
02/13/24 2:01:43 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/dd073a4f.jpg

All that needs be said about how much of a fail this was for Stewart.

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PballDepot
02/13/24 2:20:39 PM
#80:


Smashingpmkns posted...
Stewart being too far left for liberals in 2024 is pretty funny ngl


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radical_rhino
02/13/24 2:21:52 PM
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This is why we needed the Politics board to quarantine all the people who cant handle criticism of their favorite political party.

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aarrgus
02/13/24 2:22:53 PM
#82:


radical_rhino posted...
This is why we needed the Politics board to quarantine all the people who cant handle criticism of their favorite political party.

.... you created the topic!

People are allowed to be critical of an entertainment segment.

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Cocytus
02/13/24 2:23:37 PM
#83:


He's overrated.

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Enclave
02/13/24 2:24:09 PM
#84:


aarrgus posted...
.... you created the topic!

People are allowed to be critical of an entertainment segment.

But not allowed to be critical of the Democrats, I know.

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SaikyoStyle
02/13/24 2:25:02 PM
#85:


1337toothbrush posted...
I voted for biden after he was the forced nominee. It's not just an excuse, I want someone better. By the way, congrats on showing off yet another democrat trope of "if they complain then they're fake progressives and/or they weren't going to vote for a democrat anyway"
You didnt vote for Biden. You stood on the sidelines.

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Nok_Su_Kow
02/13/24 2:27:07 PM
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Did he get some dental work done? Sounds different.
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aarrgus
02/13/24 2:27:18 PM
#87:


Enclave posted...
But not allowed to be critical of the Democrats, I know.

You can be critical of Democrats all you want. The problem is that Jon Stewart did not do a very good job in this instance.

He fell directly into the "same thing both sides" flaw that he has done previously (IE see theRally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear), and in attempting to do that "balance" he actually loaded it with "Biden too old" shit with the occasional T**** reference.

Guess what? EVERYONE KNOWS BIDEN IS OLD.

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Enclave
02/13/24 2:27:49 PM
#88:


aarrgus posted...
You can be critical of Democrats all you want. The problem is that Jon Stewart did not do a very good job in this instance.

He fell directly into the "same thing both sides" flaw that he has done previously (IE see theRally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear), and in attempting to do that "balance" he actually loaded it with "Biden too old" shit.

Guess what? EVERYONE KNOWS BIDEN IS OLD.

Uh huh.

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aarrgus
02/13/24 2:28:50 PM
#89:


Enclave posted...
Uh huh.

Brilliant response.


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archizzy
02/13/24 2:29:42 PM
#90:


Kradek posted...
He did do that for a segment and to a disappointing degree. Like, he brought up Hur's report and the clearly loaded verbiage about Biden's age and ability to remember.

and immediately did a bait and switch and showed video trashing Trump himself with statement after statement in video of him saying he doesnt remember and mocked him for saying he didnt remember claiming to have a great memory. He showed video of the entire Trump family not remembering

He clearly was mocking Trump for what people perceive Biden for and this was your disappointed takeaway? That he was trashing Biden?


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aarrgus
02/13/24 2:36:42 PM
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archizzy posted...
and immediately did a bait and switch and showed video trashing T**** himself with statement after statement in video of him saying he doesnt remember and mocked him for saying he didnt remember claiming to have a great memory. He showed video of the entire Trump family not remembering

Honestly that was the best part of the whole thing, and should have embarrassed the mainstream media. I'm not sure why so few people were pointing out that "not remembering things" is pretty damn common in depositions. It's way better to say "I don't recall" if there is any possibility that you could have a hazy recollection of something.

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Enclave
02/13/24 2:41:31 PM
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aarrgus posted...
Brilliant response.

I'm sorry but every damn time anybody is critical of the Democrats you have some idiot attack saying you're helping the Republicans, you can claim it doesn't happen but I've seen it too many times and had it happen to me too many times, your protestations to the contrary ring insanely hollow to me and are completely unworthy of a real response.

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Ooooooranges
02/13/24 2:41:41 PM
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Great segment. Jon is back and he hasn't changed. People just seem to be a lot more sensitive these days. Nothing wrong with poking fun at Joe. The man's backing a genocide but apparently we can't say he's old according to some posters here.

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masterpug53
02/13/24 2:42:12 PM
#94:


Enclave posted...
I'm sorry but every damn time anybody is critical of the Democrats you have some idiot attack saying you're helping the Republicans, you can claim it doesn't happen but I've seen it too many times and had it happen to me too many times, your protestations to the contrary ring insanely hollow to me and are completely unworthy of a real response.

Uh huh.

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Enclave
02/13/24 2:43:48 PM
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masterpug53 posted...
Uh huh.



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aarrgus
02/13/24 2:49:55 PM
#96:


Enclave posted...
I'm sorry but every damn time anybody is critical of the Democrats you have some idiot attack saying you're helping the Republicans, you can claim it doesn't happen but I've seen it too many times and had it happen to me too many times, your protestations to the contrary ring insanely hollow to me and are completely unworthy of a real response.

So are you strawmanning or not here? Because you seem to imply that my criticism, whether or not you like it, is claiming that the segment was "helping Republicans". That obviously could be a product of the fake "same thing both sides" ism, but it is not a specific criticism I have levelled on the segment. Based on what you posted it seems like you feel criticism based entirely on "but you are helping Republicans" is unworthy of a response, yet I have not made such a claim...

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masterpug53
02/13/24 2:52:14 PM
#97:


Ooooooranges posted...
Great segment. Jon is back and he hasn't changed. People just seem to be a lot more sensitive these days. Nothing wrong with poking fun at Joe. The man's backing a genocide but apparently we can't say he's old according to some posters here.

Prime Daily Show-era Jon Stewart is a relic of a simpler time, when Oblivious Centrist might as well have been an official party designation, and we all thought that pointing and laughing at clips of Republicans being stupid / hypocritical would shame them into better behavior.

If he truly hasn't changed at all in the past ten years, he's going to age about as well as iPods and Vine.

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ArsGoetia
02/13/24 2:54:15 PM
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i, for one, am shocked that mainstream television network host jon stewart is espousing mainstream palatable political opinions
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Ooooooranges
02/13/24 2:58:17 PM
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masterpug53 posted...
Prime Daily Show-era Jon Stewart is a relic of a simpler time, when Oblivious Centrist might as well have been an official party designation, and we all thought that pointing and laughing at clips of Republicans being stupid / hypocritical would shame them into better behavior.

If he truly hasn't changed at all in the past ten years, he's going to age about as well as iPods and Vine.

Nah his humor has aged well. Great episode and I'll be looking forward to every single one.

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Enclave
02/13/24 3:00:01 PM
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aarrgus posted...
So are you strawmanning or not here? Because you seem to imply that my criticism, whether or not you like it, is claiming that the segment was "helping Republicans". That obviously could be a product of the fake "same thing both sides" ism, but it is not a specific criticism I have levelled on the segment. Based on what you posted it seems like you feel criticism based entirely on "but you are helping Republicans" is unworthy of a response, yet I have not made such a claim...

I'm not straw manning, I'm dismissing.

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