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Football 02/12/24 5:02:31 PM #51:	the 2nd overtime would have had a 2 minute warning, and I believe there would have been a 2nd halftime break --- azuarc won the Guru. I did not. <cite>Football posted [p:978807874] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>the 2nd overtime would have had a 2 minute warning, and I believe there would have been a 2nd halftime break </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 02/12/24 5:13:06 PM #52:	Who performs during the second halftime break? I guess Taylor Swift is right there. --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:978808055] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>Who performs during the second halftime break?I guess Taylor Swift is right there. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
th3l3fty 02/12/24 6:48:02 PM #53:	Forceful_Dragon posted... Players didn't need to know. Shanahan and advisors knew and they were focused on being the first to get the ball in a proper sudden death if both teams scored the same # of points. sounds to me like the Niners were woefully unprepared to deal with the Chiefs --- thelefty for analysis crew 2008 imo -transience I have a third degree burn in flame-o-nomics -Sir Chris <cite>th3l3fty posted [p:978809678] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>Forceful_Dragon posted...</cite><quote>Players didn't need to know. Shanahan and advisors knew and they were focused on being the first to get the ball in a proper sudden death if both teams scored the same # of points.</quote>sounds to me like the Niners were woefully unprepared to deal with the Chiefs </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Forceful_Dragon 02/12/24 7:00:28 PM #54:	Nah --- ~C~ FD http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png <cite>Forceful_Dragon posted [p:978809909] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>Nah </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thorn 02/12/24 7:02:43 PM #55:	Yeah, I think Shanahan's logic here is bad - just as I commented on it in real time. The team that gets the ball second just has every strategic advantage. They know what they need to do do on offense so they're in four down territory the whole way until they get where they need to go. And it falls apart when you realize that unless the 49ers score first and get the two-point conversion, the Chiefs have the option to proactively go for two and take away the opportunity for the sudden death to even matter. The X-Factor is, and I don't know if a coach would ever admit it, is if they know their defense is just totally gassed and needs some time to recover and not to be put right back on the field if they kick it. --- May you find your book in this place. Formerly known as xp1337. <cite>Thorn posted [p:978809963] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, I think Shanahan's logic here is bad - just as I commented on it in real time. The team that gets the ball second just has every strategic advantage. They know what they need to do do on offense so they're in four down territory the whole way until they get where they need to go. And it falls apart when you realize that unless the 49ers score first and get the two-point conversion, the Chiefs have the option to proactively go for two and take away the opportunity for the sudden death to even matter.The X-Factor is, and I don't know if a coach would ever admit it, is if they know their defense is just totally gassed and needs some time to recover and not to be put right back on the field if they kick it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExThaNemesis 02/12/24 7:15:46 PM #56:	Romo said that his defense was probably tired and he wanted to give them time to rest up so they could get a stop. Which to be fair, they had gotten stops most of the game. It's just with the game on the line and all that --- "undertale hangs out with mido" - ZFS Smash Ultimate Switch Code: SW-6933-1523-8505 <cite>ExThaNemesis posted [p:978810172] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>Romo said that his defense was probably tired and he wanted to give them time to rest up so they could get a stop. Which to be fair, they had gotten stops most of the game.It's just with the game on the line and all that </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 02/12/24 7:36:22 PM #57:	The logic for taking the ball first is that if it's still tied after the first two possessions, you're in control in a sudden death scenario. They lost that advantage the second they kicked the FG though. You gave Mahomes the ball knowing that he ends the game with a TD. --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:978810470] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>The logic for taking the ball first is that if it's still tied after the first two possessions, you're in control in a sudden death scenario.They lost that advantage the second they kicked the FG though. You gave Mahomes the ball knowing that he ends the game with a TD. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
theawesomestevr 02/12/24 7:37:38 PM #58:	ExThaNemesis posted... Romo said that his defense was probably tired and he wanted to give them time to rest up so they could get a stop. Which to be fair, they had gotten stops most of the game. It's just with the game on the line and all that Apparently though, Shanahan said after the game that the logic is that they wanted to have the ball 3rd, not that he was trying to rest the defense. Also, with 3 timeouts given to you for the new OT, I feel like if that was the case, maybe the 49ers should have been using some of those, especially by the end of KC's drive inside the 10 if they really thought the defense was gassed. <cite>theawesomestevr posted [p:978810490] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>ExThaNemesis posted...</cite><quote>Romo said that his defense was probably tired and he wanted to give them time to rest up so they could get a stop. Which to be fair, they had gotten stops most of the game.It's just with the game on the line and all that</quote>Apparently though, Shanahan said after the game that the logic is that they wanted to have the ball 3rd, not that he was trying to rest the defense. Also, with 3 timeouts given to you for the new OT, I feel like if that was the case, maybe the 49ers should have been using some of those, especially by the end of KC's drive inside the 10 if they really thought the defense was gassed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thorn 02/12/24 7:42:23 PM #59:	Leonhart4 posted... The logic for taking the ball first is that if it's still tied after the first two possessions, you're in control in a sudden death scenario. Right, I know, but like I said even that is at the mercy of the second team. If the 49ers score a TD and the Chiefs follow suit, if they don't like their odds of getting a stop in sudden death they can just go for 2 with Mahomes and end it. Likewise, knowing that a FG puts them in sudden death they may be more willing to go for it on fourth down in situations where had they gotten the ball first they feel they "have to" just kick the FG. And I don't really know that that's advantage 49ers. Again, if Shanahan knows his defense is tired and probably can't stop them if he puts them right back on the field after the end of regulation drive then I get it. And maybe he can't come out and say that so he's using other reasons to answer the question when it comes up - I'm just saying I don't think those answers hold up too well! Unless the analytics really suggest you should take the ball first but I'd be pretty surprised. Again, the new playoff OT rules strike me as basically College OT and I feel like they game theory'd that out to "you want the ball second" and I don't know why that'd change in the NFL outside some real outlier situations that I don't think apply but will permit might exist. --- May you find your book in this place. Formerly known as xp1337. <cite>Thorn posted [p:978810559] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>Leonhart4 posted... </cite><quote>The logic for taking the ball first is that if it's still tied after the first two possessions, you're in control in a sudden death scenario.</quote>Right, I know, but like I said even that is at the mercy of the second team. If the 49ers score a TD and the Chiefs follow suit, if they don't like their odds of getting a stop in sudden death they can just go for 2 with Mahomes and end it. Likewise, knowing that a FG puts them in sudden death they may be more willing to go for it on fourth down in situations where had they gotten the ball first they feel they "have to" just kick the FG.And I don't really know that that's advantage 49ers. Again, if Shanahan knows his defense is tired and probably can't stop them if he puts them right back on the field after the end of regulation drive then I get it. And maybe he can't come out and say that so he's using other reasons to answer the question when it comes up - I'm just saying I don't think those answers hold up too well!Unless the analytics really suggest you should take the ball first but I'd be pretty surprised. Again, the new playoff OT rules strike me as basically College OT and I feel like they game theory'd that out to "you want the ball second" and I don't know why that'd change in the NFL outside some real outlier situations that I don't think apply but will permit might exist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranzonEx 02/12/24 7:45:22 PM #60:	It all comes down to having the better QB. You can receive first but have Purdy which negates any advantage you can have. --- 2 line break(s), 160 characters allowed <cite>GranzonEx posted [p:978810607] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>It all comes down to having the better QB. You can receive first but have Purdy which negates any advantage you can have. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Football 02/12/24 7:47:45 PM #61:	Honestly the only real scenario is one of those games with a stupid wind that has all the scoring going in one direction, then I would take the wind and let the other team decide if they want to kick or receive. (Technically you would defer so you would still get the same choice and get the ball first in the theoretical third OT period) --- azuarc won the Guru. I did not. <cite>Football posted [p:978810641] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>Honestly the only real scenario is one of those games with a stupid wind that has all the scoring going in one direction, then I would take the wind and let the other team decide if they want to kick or receive. (Technically you would defer so you would still get the same choice and get the ball first in the theoretical third OT period) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
theawesomestevr 02/12/24 7:48:17 PM #62:	The only advantage I see when you take the ball 1st is that if you put the other team in 4th and long, you force the other team's hand to either tie the game with a FG or punt if the game is tied, but you're in that exact scenario yourself if the other team puts you in 4th and long on your opening possession, so to me, it's just dumb the whole way around to receive 1st under the current rules. <cite>theawesomestevr posted [p:978810651] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>The only advantage I see when you take the ball 1st is that if you put the other team in 4th and long, you force the other team's hand to either tie the game with a FG or punt if the game is tied, but you're in that exact scenario yourself if the other team puts you in 4th and long on your opening possession, so to me, it's just dumb the whole way around to receive 1st under the current rules.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thorn 02/12/24 7:48:36 PM #63:	Football posted... Honestly the only real scenario is one of those games with a stupid wind that has all the scoring going in one direction, then I would take the wind and let the other team decide if they want to kick or receive. (Technically you would defer so you would still get the same choice and get the ball first in the theoretical third OT period) Yeah, crazy weather was the only reason I could think of off the top of my head. --- May you find your book in this place. Formerly known as xp1337. <cite>Thorn posted [p:978810653] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>Football posted... </cite><quote>Honestly the only real scenario is one of those games with a stupid wind that has all the scoring going in one direction, then I would take the wind and let the other team decide if they want to kick or receive. (Technically you would defer so you would still get the same choice and get the ball first in the theoretical third OT period)</quote>Yeah, crazy weather was the only reason I could think of off the top of my head. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 02/12/24 7:51:13 PM #64:	I agree that the advantages of taking the ball first are minimal. That's the main one, but it assumes the Chiefs wouldn't go for the win, too, and they said they would. --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:978810693] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>I agree that the advantages of taking the ball first are minimal. That's the main one, but it assumes the Chiefs wouldn't go for the win, too, and they said they would. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thorn 02/12/24 7:51:38 PM #65:	theawesomestevr posted... The only advantage I see when you take the ball 1st is that if you put the other team in 4th and long, you force the other team's hand to either tie the game with a FG or punt if the game is tied, but you're in that exact scenario yourself if the other team puts you in 4th and long on your opening possession, so to me, it's just dumb the whole way around to receive 1st under the current rules. You don't force the other team's hand in that scenario because if a FG ties that means you already scored a FG on your opening possession so punting is simply not an option for them (they would literally lose by default) - they know they have four downs the entire way until they hit FG range and only then do they have to start deciding do they kick a FG and go to sudden death and needing to hold you to a stop or go for it and risk losing right there but possibly winning if they can keep going and get a TD. --- May you find your book in this place. Formerly known as xp1337. <cite>Thorn posted [p:978810697] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>theawesomestevr posted... </cite><quote>The only advantage I see when you take the ball 1st is that if you put the other team in 4th and long, you force the other team's hand to either tie the game with a FG or punt if the game is tied, but you're in that exact scenario yourself if the other team puts you in 4th and long on your opening possession, so to me, it's just dumb the whole way around to receive 1st under the current rules.</quote>You don't force the other team's hand in that scenario because if a FG ties that means you already scored a FG on your opening possession so punting is simply not an option for them (they would literally lose by default) - they know they have four downs the entire way until they hit FG range and only then do they have to start deciding do they kick a FG and go to sudden death and needing to hold you to a stop or go for it and risk losing right there but possibly winning if they can keep going and get a TD. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
theawesomestevr 02/12/24 8:08:35 PM #66:	Thorn posted... You don't force the other team's hand in that scenario because if a FG ties that means you already scored a FG on your opening possession so punting is simply not an option for them (they would literally lose by default) I think we're saying the same thing. My "or punt if the game is tied" was meant for the scenario that you don't score at all on your 1st possession (whether because of a turnover, punt, missed FG, whatever else), and obviously if you're up by 3, then you're only forcing their hand when in FG range. <cite>theawesomestevr posted [p:978810966] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>Thorn posted...</cite><quote>You don't force the other team's hand in that scenario because if a FG ties that means you already scored a FG on your opening possession so punting is simply not an option for them (they would literally lose by default)</quote>I think we're saying the same thing. My "or punt if the game is tied" was meant for the scenario that you don't score at all on your 1st possession (whether because of a turnover, punt, missed FG, whatever else), and obviously if you're up by 3, then you're only forcing their hand when in FG range.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thorn 02/12/24 8:12:56 PM #67:	Oh, yeah, I see now. I read it a different way but I see what you meant now. --- May you find your book in this place. Formerly known as xp1337. <cite>Thorn posted [p:978811038] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>Oh, yeah, I see now. I read it a different way but I see what you meant now. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Forceful_Dragon 02/12/24 8:17:45 PM #68:	GranzonEx posted... It all comes down to having the better QB. You can receive first but have Purdy which negates any advantage you can have. Are you just a joke of an individual I can put on ignore and never miss anything relevant from for the rest of my life? The anti-purdy takes are pissing me off. --- ~C~ FD http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png <cite>Forceful_Dragon posted [p:978811102] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>GranzonEx posted... </cite><quote>It all comes down to having the better QB. You can receive first but have Purdy which negates any advantage you can have.</quote>Are you just a joke of an individual I can put on ignore and never miss anything relevant from for the rest of my life? The anti-purdy takes are pissing me off. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Forceful_Dragon 02/12/24 8:22:41 PM #69:	I just don't understand saying patently false things just to hurt other people. Obviously it's working and I need to take a step back, but why say them? --- ~C~ FD http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png <cite>Forceful_Dragon posted [p:978811177] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>I just don't understand saying patently false things just to hurt other people. Obviously it's working and I need to take a step back, but why say them? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 02/12/24 8:22:59 PM #70:	Just take a break from this topic for a couple of days --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:978811180] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>Just take a break from this topic for a couple of days </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 02/12/24 8:23:42 PM #71:	And also just be grateful you aren't a fan of the Cowboys, Patriots, or Jets --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:978811189] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>And also just be grateful you aren't a fan of the Cowboys, Patriots, or Jets </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thorn 02/12/24 8:25:09 PM #72:	Anti-Purdy takes are just wrong IMO. He played well, made some incredible plays late, and left the field giving the 49ers the lead on his last drive in regulation and the opening drive of OT. I don't even put too much of this on Shanahan either. I'm sure there's gameplan stuff he could have done better but this wasn't 28-3 or anything IMO. I think he was dead wrong on the OT decision but that's it. --- May you find your book in this place. Formerly known as xp1337. <cite>Thorn posted [p:978811228] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>Anti-Purdy takes are just wrong IMO. He played well, made some incredible plays late, and left the field giving the 49ers the lead on his last drive in regulation and the opening drive of OT.I don't even put too much of this on Shanahan either. I'm sure there's gameplan stuff he could have done better but this wasn't 28-3 or anything IMO. I think he was dead wrong on the OT decision but that's it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 02/12/24 8:26:59 PM #73:	Nah, Shanahan called a fine game regardless of what Ulti will tell you. I don't think there were any egregious coaching decisions on either side. --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:978811271] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>Nah, Shanahan called a fine game regardless of what Ulti will tell you. I don't think there were any egregious coaching decisions on either side. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KommunistKoala 02/12/24 8:28:48 PM #74:	I dunno that 3rd quarter was pretty dookie --- does anyone even read this <cite>KommunistKoala posted [p:978811312] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>I dunno that 3rd quarter was pretty dookie </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 02/12/24 8:30:24 PM #75:	Purdy played well early and late. He was shaky in the middle. You can blame that on the line if you want, but the Chiefs did nothing for the first 35-40 minutes and the Niners couldn't capitalize on it. That's partially on Purdy. --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:978811343] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>Purdy played well early and late. He was shaky in the middle. You can blame that on the line if you want, but the Chiefs did nothing for the first 35-40 minutes and the Niners couldn't capitalize on it. That's partially on Purdy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExThaNemesis 02/12/24 8:36:12 PM #76:	I am as anti-Purdy as they come but I thought he marginally outplayed Patrick Mahomes for most of the game. Chiefs defense stepped up in a big way. Most important drive of the game for both teams was right after Mahomes threw that dogshit interception. The 49ers should have taken that short field and gone up 17-3. The Chiefs defense said "nah". Not getting any points at all off the take away there was so bad. --- "undertale hangs out with mido" - ZFS Smash Ultimate Switch Code: SW-6933-1523-8505 <cite>ExThaNemesis posted [p:978811450] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>I am as anti-Purdy as they come but I thought he marginally outplayed Patrick Mahomes for most of the game. Chiefs defense stepped up in a big way. Most important drive of the game for both teams was right after Mahomes threw that dogshit interception. The 49ers should have taken that short field and gone up 17-3. The Chiefs defense said "nah". Not getting any points at all off the take away there was so bad. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranzonEx 02/12/24 9:17:39 PM #77:	Forceful_Dragon posted... Are you just a joke of an individual I can put on ignore and never miss anything relevant from for the rest of my life? The anti-purdy takes are pissing me off. I'm not anti-Purdy. I'm not saying anything to hurt you. This is not personal. I don't believe he has "it". He is not a top 10 QB. Leonhart4 posted... And also just be grateful you aren't a fan of the Cowboys, Patriots, or Jets The Patriots are in a much much worse spot than those other two teams. We don't even have a GM for our upcoming draft. We will be bottom of the NFL for a long ass time lmao. --- 2 line break(s), 160 characters allowed <cite>GranzonEx posted [p:978812117] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>Forceful_Dragon posted... </cite><quote>Are you just a joke of an individual I can put on ignore and never miss anything relevant from for the rest of my life? The anti-purdy takes are pissing me off.</quote>I'm not anti-Purdy. I'm not saying anything to hurt you. This is not personal. I don't believe he has "it". He is not a top 10 QB.Leonhart4 posted... </cite><quote>And also just be grateful you aren't a fan of the Cowboys, Patriots, or Jets</quote>The Patriots are in a much much worse spot than those other two teams. We don't even have a GM for our upcoming draft. We will be bottom of the NFL for a long ass time lmao. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 02/12/24 9:24:00 PM #78:	No, I mean, if you can't handle any 49ers criticism or mockery, be grateful you aren't a fan of one of those three because they get it more than anyone else. You can throw the Browns in there, too, I suppose. --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:978812257] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>No, I mean, if you can't handle any 49ers criticism or mockery, be grateful you aren't a fan of one of those three because they get it more than anyone else.You can throw the Browns in there, too, I suppose. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranzonEx 02/12/24 9:25:40 PM #79:	Oh yea. Feel free to make fun of the Pats. I'll be right there to roast our cheap ass owner. --- 2 line break(s), 160 characters allowed <cite>GranzonEx posted [p:978812284] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>Oh yea. Feel free to make fun of the Pats. I'll be right there to roast our cheap ass owner. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mewtwo59 02/12/24 9:30:50 PM #80:	To be fair, the Browns actually deserve it after the whole Watson affair. --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 <cite>Mewtwo59 posted [p:978812377] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>To be fair, the Browns actually deserve it after the whole Watson affair. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reg 02/12/24 9:32:16 PM #81:	The Browns wanted an adult at QB and by god, they got one. <cite>Reg posted [p:978812400] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>The Browns wanted an adult at QB and by god, they got one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranzonEx 02/12/24 9:42:35 PM #82:	Btw here is the top 10 2024 QB Mahomes Jackson Burrow Stroud 47 y/o Brady on the 49ers Rodgers if he's healthy Herbert Dak Hurts Tua --- 2 line break(s), 160 characters allowed <cite>GranzonEx posted [p:978812562] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>Btw here is the top 10 2024 QBMahomesJacksonBurrowStroud47 y/o Brady on the 49ersRodgers if he's healthyHerbertDakHurtsTua </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mewtwo59 02/12/24 9:52:40 PM #83:	Now that's some Josh Allen hate --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 <cite>Mewtwo59 posted [p:978812717] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>Now that's some Josh Allen hate </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranzonEx 02/12/24 9:55:27 PM #84:	Mr Alien can't play the Mac Jones Patriots in the playoffs every year :( --- 2 line break(s), 160 characters allowed <cite>GranzonEx posted [p:978812766] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>Mr Alien can't play the Mac Jones Patriots in the playoffs every year :( </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thorn 02/12/24 10:18:56 PM #85:	GranzonEx posted... Rodgers if he's healthy behind that jets line and playing 8+ games at metlife? that's more unrealistic than the brady hypothetical you have there! --- May you find your book in this place. Formerly known as xp1337. <cite>Thorn posted [p:978813153] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>GranzonEx posted... </cite><quote>Rodgers if he's healthy</quote>behind that jets line and playing 8+ games at metlife?that's more unrealistic than the brady hypothetical you have there! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranzonEx 02/12/24 11:34:26 PM #86:	Thorn posted... behind that jets line and playing 8+ games at metlife? that's more unrealistic than the brady hypothetical you have there! If I'm Rodgers I'd be less worried about that Jets line and more worried about the Metlife turf LOL --- 2 line break(s), 160 characters allowed <cite>GranzonEx posted [p:978814275] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>Thorn posted... </cite><quote>behind that jets line and playing 8+ games at metlife?that's more unrealistic than the brady hypothetical you have there!</quote>If I'm Rodgers I'd be less worried about that Jets line and more worried about the Metlife turf LOL </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak_the_Stud 02/13/24 12:03:13 AM #87:	Thorn posted... behind that jets line and playing 8+ games at metlife? that's more unrealistic than the brady hypothetical you have there! Now that Rodgers has finally cracked the secrets of anti-ACL tearing crystal technology, the entire league is on notice. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak_the_Stud posted [p:978814594] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>Thorn posted... </cite><quote>behind that jets line and playing 8+ games at metlife?that's more unrealistic than the brady hypothetical you have there!</quote>Now that Rodgers has finally cracked the secrets of anti-ACL tearing crystal technology, the entire league is on notice. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 02/13/24 12:18:34 AM #88:	Patrick Mahomes has 3 Super Bowl comeback victories of 10+ points There have been 4 other such comebacks in the rest of the Super Bowls combined --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:978814762] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>Patrick Mahomes has 3 Super Bowl comeback victories of 10+ points There have been 4 other such comebacks in the rest of the Super Bowls combined </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MZero 02/13/24 12:38:48 AM #89:	Leonhart4 posted... Patrick Mahomes has 3 Super Bowl comeback victories of 10+ points There have been 4 other such comebacks in the rest of the Super Bowls combined So the secret is to never go up by 10 ~~or just blow them out like the Bucs~~ --- MZero, to the extreme https://www.twitch.tv/kabazame <cite>MZero posted [p:978814948] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>Leonhart4 posted... </cite><quote>Patrick Mahomes has 3 Super Bowl comeback victories of 10+ points There have been 4 other such comebacks in the rest of the Super Bowls combined</quote>So the secret is to never go up by 10or just blow them out like the Bucs </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SHINE_GET_64 02/13/24 1:26:38 AM #90:	https://twitter.com/VikingsDynasty/status/1756889119001616460?t=9tkGDxoQJgwWZpz_x7oW9g&s=19 --- https://imgtc.com/i/iJnhdkc.gif https://imgtc.com/i/j45EVGx.png <cite>SHINE_GET_64 posted [p:978815401] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/VikingsDynasty/status/1756889119001616460?t=9tkGDxoQJgwWZpz_x7oW9g&s=19 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HanOfTheNekos 02/13/24 9:26:30 AM #91:	GranzonEx posted... Mr Alien can't play the Mac Jones Patriots in the playoffs every year :( 329 yards 4-0 TD/int against the chiefs in 2021 This year was less (half ass diggs and no wr2 hurts) but if he didn't get bumped on his last pass, we'd be looking at a 200 yard 2 TD game. Also putting Lamar as number 2 on your list but leaving Allen off is laughable because Lamar has shown the same inability to get it done in the end... Except instead of losses to the chiefs and Bengals (which is Allen's postseason career), it's losses to the chiefs, Titans... And Bills! Lamar lost a game to the Bills where they out gained the Bills by 100 yards! Not trying to hype Allen up as some elite level talent here, but Lamar crumbles under the pressure just as bad as Allen does. And Tua appears to be bad against good secondaries. Can he win games without having receivers who aren't covered? --- "Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic <cite>HanOfTheNekos posted [p:978818929] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>GranzonEx posted... </cite><quote>Mr Alien can't play the Mac Jones Patriots in the playoffs every year :(</quote>329 yards 4-0 TD/int against the chiefs in 2021This year was less (half ass diggs and no wr2 hurts) but if he didn't get bumped on his last pass, we'd be looking at a 200 yard 2 TD game.Also putting Lamar as number 2 on your list but leaving Allen off is laughable because Lamar has shown the same inability to get it done in the end... Except instead of losses to the chiefs and Bengals (which is Allen's postseason career), it's losses to the chiefs, Titans... And Bills! Lamar lost a game to the Bills where they out gained the Bills by 100 yards!Not trying to hype Allen up as some elite level talent here, but Lamar crumbles under the pressure just as bad as Allen does.And Tua appears to be bad against good secondaries. Can he win games without having receivers who aren't covered? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExThaNemesis 02/13/24 10:09:17 AM #92:	GranzonEx posted... Btw here is the top 10 2024 QB Mahomes Jackson Burrow Stroud 47 y/o Brady on the 49ers Rodgers if he's healthy Herbert Dak Hurts Tua Take what FD said about you and double it for me, pal. --- "undertale hangs out with mido" - ZFS Smash Ultimate Switch Code: SW-6933-1523-8505 <cite>ExThaNemesis posted [p:978819470] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>GranzonEx posted... </cite><quote>Btw here is the top 10 2024 QBMahomesJacksonBurrowStroud47 y/o Brady on the 49ersRodgers if he's healthyHerbertDakHurtsTua</quote>Take what FD said about you and double it for me, pal. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExThaNemesis 02/13/24 10:11:11 AM #93:	The top QB list goes Mahomes Allen who cares, they're all basically dross after that --- "undertale hangs out with mido" - ZFS Smash Ultimate Switch Code: SW-6933-1523-8505 <cite>ExThaNemesis posted [p:978819497] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>The top QB list goesMahomesAllenwho cares, they're all basically dross after that </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KommunistKoala 02/13/24 10:19:38 AM #94:	I know you only watch 3 games a year Extha but Burrow is easily better than Allen --- does anyone even read this <cite>KommunistKoala posted [p:978819630] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>I know you only watch 3 games a year Extha but Burrow is easily better than Allen </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LiquidOshawott 02/13/24 10:24:09 AM #95:	Mahomes Lamar Burrow Allen Hurts Stafford Dak Herbert Stroud Purdy? something like that but all I really think is Stafford is heavily slept on in these conversations --- I live on, THROUGH THIS SEASHELL! VeryInsane's mobile account <cite>LiquidOshawott posted [p:978819690] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>MahomesLamarBurrowAllenHurtsStaffordDakHerbertStroudPurdy?something like that but all I really think is Stafford is heavily slept on in these conversations </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranzonEx 02/13/24 10:30:53 AM #96:	HanOfTheNekos posted... 329 yards 4-0 TD/int against the chiefs in 2021 This year was less (half ass diggs and no wr2 hurts) but if he didn't get bumped on his last pass, we'd be looking at a 200 yard 2 TD game. Also putting Lamar as number 2 on your list but leaving Allen off is laughable because Lamar has shown the same inability to get it done in the end... Except instead of losses to the chiefs and Bengals (which is Allen's postseason career), it's losses to the chiefs, Titans... And Bills! Lamar lost a game to the Bills where they out gained the Bills by 100 yards! Not trying to hype Allen up as some elite level talent here, but Lamar crumbles under the pressure just as bad as Allen does. And Tua appears to be bad against good secondaries. Can he win games without having receivers who aren't covered? I think the Ravens are just too young right now. When we had Brady they were the only team that struck fear in us during the playoffs. They were the only team that didn't have that mental block when playing us and always played tough. Give the Ravens another year or two, once they get more discipline on the offensive side I truly believe Lamar Jackson can get multiple SBs. Allen's problem is he's hot and cold. Diggs is looking like a problem in the locker room now so the Bills will have to address that or Allen will not be sniffing the Chiefs anytime soon. --- 2 line break(s), 160 characters allowed <cite>GranzonEx posted [p:978819800] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>HanOfTheNekos posted... </cite><quote>329 yards 4-0 TD/int against the chiefs in 2021This year was less (half ass diggs and no wr2 hurts) but if he didn't get bumped on his last pass, we'd be looking at a 200 yard 2 TD game.Also putting Lamar as number 2 on your list but leaving Allen off is laughable because Lamar has shown the same inability to get it done in the end... Except instead of losses to the chiefs and Bengals (which is Allen's postseason career), it's losses to the chiefs, Titans... And Bills! Lamar lost a game to the Bills where they out gained the Bills by 100 yards!Not trying to hype Allen up as some elite level talent here, but Lamar crumbles under the pressure just as bad as Allen does.And Tua appears to be bad against good secondaries. Can he win games without having receivers who aren't covered?</quote>I think the Ravens are just too young right now. When we had Brady they were the only team that struck fear in us during the playoffs. They were the only team that didn't have that mental block when playing us and always played tough. Give the Ravens another year or two, once they get more discipline on the offensive side I truly believe Lamar Jackson can get multiple SBs.Allen's problem is he's hot and cold. Diggs is looking like a problem in the locker room now so the Bills will have to address that or Allen will not be sniffing the Chiefs anytime soon. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranzonEx 02/13/24 10:33:10 AM #97:	LiquidOshawott posted... Mahomes Lamar Burrow Allen Hurts Stafford Dak Herbert Stroud Purdy? something like that but all I really think is Stafford is heavily slept on in these conversations I sleep on Stafford because he's getting up there in age and injuries. Yea yea I put Rodgers up there but Rodgers was just that good that I have to give him the benefit of the doubt until he's truly washed. --- 2 line break(s), 160 characters allowed <cite>GranzonEx posted [p:978819840] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>LiquidOshawott posted... </cite><quote>MahomesLamarBurrowAllenHurtsStaffordDakHerbertStroudPurdy?something like that but all I really think is Stafford is heavily slept on in these conversations</quote>I sleep on Stafford because he's getting up there in age and injuries. Yea yea I put Rodgers up there but Rodgers was just that good that I have to give him the benefit of the doubt until he's truly washed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 02/13/24 10:34:25 AM #98:	All this Kirk Cousins disrespect --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:978819867] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>All this Kirk Cousins disrespect </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrSmartGuy 02/13/24 10:34:53 AM #99:	QBs ranked by how much I would want them as my QB next year (with two exceptions), separated into tiers: Mahomes ----- Jackson Burrow Allen Stroud ----- Hurts Prescott Herbert Rodgers (would be much lower than this if I took into account how he's got the Jets organization's balls in a vice) Stafford Goff ----- Lawrence Tagovailoa Love Purdy Watson (I do not want Watson the person on my team, period) Cousins ----- Richardson Murray Fields Mayfield R. Wilson G. Smith Levis maybe ----- Uh-oh --- Play Outer Wilds <cite>MrSmartGuy posted [p:978819873] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>QBs ranked by how much I would want them as my QB next year (with two exceptions), separated into tiers:Mahomes-----JacksonBurrow AllenStroud-----HurtsPrescottHerbertRodgers (would be much lower than this if I took into account how he's got the Jets organization's balls in a vice)Stafford Goff-----LawrenceTagovailoaLovePurdyWatson (I do not want Watson the person on my team, period)Cousins-----RichardsonMurrayFieldsMayfieldR. WilsonG. SmithLevis maybe-----Uh-oh </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
neonreaper 02/13/24 10:55:07 AM #100:	Purdy was fine. If he was better, he might have been the reason that they won. But he wasn't the reason that they lost, either. --- Donny: Are they gonna hurt us, Walter? Walter: No, Donny. These men are cowards. <cite>neonreaper posted [p:978820236] in NFL Offsea... [t:80694549]...</cite> <quote>Purdy was fine. If he was better, he might have been the reason that they won. But he wasn't the reason that they lost, either. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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