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Necronmon
02/05/24 6:43:11 PM
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https://www.13abc.com/2024/02/05/americans-have-saddled-themselves-with-credit-card-debt-now-renters-poor-are-falling-behind/

Yup...yup...we are in good times...long as you only count the rich.

Like...seriously this is making Biden and the whole democracy party look out of touch when they are not even really taking this as a issue and acting like only the rich matter...its making more and more radicalized and feeling like nothing matters and after a point it leads to French or Russian Revolution levels of escalation.

Biden has to take this seriously before more don't take him seriously damn it.
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Necronmon
02/05/24 7:08:36 PM
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Bump.
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ironman2009
02/05/24 7:10:08 PM
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People are stupid and set up for failure. Dunno how to do their taxes or budget but learned what cos and sin mean in high school.

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WingsOfGood
02/05/24 7:13:36 PM
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ironman2009 posted...
learned what cos and sin mean in high school.

most students didn't actually learn even this
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lilORANG
02/05/24 7:14:32 PM
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Take out another credit card to pay the debt on the first.

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thronedfire2
02/05/24 7:17:24 PM
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lilORANG posted...
Take out another credit card to pay the debt on the first.

I transferred my existing balance to a new card with balance transfer about a year ago. in 6 months that one starts charging interest, so 3-4 months from now I'll sign up for a new card and transfer my balance to that one. hopefully I'll have it all paid off before that one starts charging interest

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lilORANG
02/05/24 7:22:41 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
I transferred my existing balance to a new card with balance transfer about a year ago. in 6 months that one starts charging interest, so 3-4 months from now I'll sign up for a new card and transfer my balance to that one. hopefully I'll have it all paid off before that one starts charging interest
Atta boy.

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Anony1125
02/05/24 7:24:23 PM
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But at least they're spending, right? Does it really matter whether they actually have the money or not?

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wackyteen
02/05/24 7:28:30 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
I transferred my existing balance to a new card with balance transfer about a year ago. in 6 months that one starts charging interest, so 3-4 months from now I'll sign up for a new card and transfer my balance to that one. hopefully I'll have it all paid off before that one starts charging interest
From my understanding this is how my grandmother has managed her credit card debt for most of her (older) life

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NoxObscuras
02/05/24 7:32:58 PM
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Damn, over 1 trillion in credit card debt. Is it time to acknowledge that there's a problem yet?

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thronedfire2
02/05/24 7:51:18 PM
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lilORANG posted...
Atta boy.

the first credit card I ever got was a secured card with a $550 limit. Ive certainly worked my way up.


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Bat178
02/05/24 7:54:04 PM
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Can you just say you're a chud and get it over with, Necronmon?

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littlebro07
02/05/24 8:48:19 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
I transferred my existing balance to a new card with balance transfer about a year ago. in 6 months that one starts charging interest, so 3-4 months from now I'll sign up for a new card and transfer my balance to that one. hopefully I'll have it all paid off before that one starts charging interest


Ive been chaining 0% APR balance transfers for like four years now lol

Shit just keeps coming up whenever I get close to finally paying it off

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archizzy
02/05/24 8:54:02 PM
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The democracy party better start taking this seriously, before more dont take them seriously!

lol. Do people read the shit they type?

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thronedfire2
02/05/24 8:54:21 PM
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littlebro07 posted...
Ive been chaining 0% APR balance transfers for like four years now lol

Shit just keeps coming up whenever I get close to finally paying it off

I moved into my apartment 2 years ago and and had 10k in the bank and $0 in credit card balance.

had to drop almost 7k in cash just to move, plus bought a washer and drier. credit card balance went up to 8k over the next year because of emergencies(my cat alone cost over $2000 in 6 months, car had to be fixed, wisdom teeth had to come out).

my credit card balance is about 9k now after I paid 2k the last month

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Damn_Underscore
02/05/24 8:56:45 PM
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ironman2009 posted...
People are stupid and set up for failure. Dunno how to do their taxes or budget but learned what cos and sin mean in high school.

Why can't you learn both?

sin cos and tan take like 5 minutes to learn

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Cemith
02/05/24 8:57:38 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
most students didn't actually learn even this

I did!

Guess what I forgot almost instantly

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thronedfire2
02/05/24 8:58:31 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
Why can't you learn both?

sin cos and tan take like 5 minutes to learn

no those took whole 6 month semesters to learn

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Damn_Underscore
02/05/24 9:01:42 PM
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To be fair this is 21 minutes but it will teach you basic trigonometry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUB0TaZ7bhA

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Trumpo
02/05/24 9:02:22 PM
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I am a credit card deadbeat

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MrResetti
02/05/24 9:06:02 PM
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The whole "didnt learn how to do their taxes in high school" argument is dumb as fuck. All the free to use tax services hold your hand the whole time. Non issue.
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thronedfire2
02/05/24 9:07:47 PM
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MrResetti posted...
The whole "didnt learn how to do their taxes in high school" argument is dumb as fuck. All the free to use tax services hold your hand the whole time. Non issue.

my high school didn't even teach you how to balance a check book(people used those back then) unless you took it as an elective.

I'm sure there are tons of schools where it wasn't even an option

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MrResetti
02/05/24 9:10:01 PM
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Home Ec was a joke course even back when.
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AngelsNAirwav3s
02/05/24 9:13:51 PM
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What all do you even need to learn? Dont spend money you dont have, pay off your credit card every month. Thats all you need to know. No amount of Home Ec classes can fix stupid

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1337toothbrush
02/05/24 9:26:57 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
my high school didn't even teach you how to balance a check book(people used those back then) unless you took it as an elective.

I'm sure there are tons of schools where it wasn't even an option
Do people need a course to tell them that it's ideal to spend less than they get in income?

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wackyteen
02/05/24 9:29:09 PM
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
What all do you even need to learn? Dont spend money you dont have, pay off your credit card every month. Thats all you need to know. No amount of Home Ec classes can fix stupid

yeah but sometimes life hits like a ton of bricks and you don't have a realistic choice in spending money "you don't have".

Like when I took on a loan to consolidate my credit cards and to have a nice emergency fund at the same time. A loan I would have easily been able to pay off. However, a week later my car died and I wound up having to get a new car. And shortly after that my mom wound up in an out of state hospital and I wound up paying for over an additional weeks worth of a hotel room due to uncertainty of when she'd be released.

So in a less than 30 day span, I went from just $12K in debt to over $60K in debt. While, yes, I could have made more frugally minded decisions (buying a used car outright vs financing new), I had other life factors and considerations influencing my decision.

Not all (credit card) debt people find themselves in is a result of stupidity. Life hits, and life can hit brutally hard. People get caught up in situations where they can't just up and leave because the going got a little rough.

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1337toothbrush
02/05/24 9:31:55 PM
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wackyteen posted...
yeah but sometimes life hits like a ton of bricks and you don't have a realistic choice in spending money "you don't have".

Like when I took on a loan to consolidate my credit cards and to have a nice emergency fund at the same time. A loan I would have easily been able to pay off. However, a week later my car died and I wound up having to get a new car. And shortly after that my mom wound up in an out of state hospital and I wound up paying for over an additional weeks worth of a hotel room due to uncertainty of when she'd be released.

So in a less than 30 day span, I went from just $12K in debt to over $60K in debt. While, yes, I could have made more frugally minded decisions (buying a used car outright vs financing new), I had other life factors and considerations influencing my decision.

Not all (credit card) debt people find themselves in is a result of stupidity. Life hits, and life can hit brutally hard. People get caught up in situations where they can't just up and leave because the going got a little rough.
Yeah, but how is a course going to help that?

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thronedfire2
02/05/24 9:33:45 PM
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MrResetti posted...
Home Ec was a joke course even back when.

hey I learned how to use a lot of boxed muffin recipes wrong to make the muffins bigger

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wackyteen
02/05/24 9:34:59 PM
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1337toothbrush posted...
Do people need a course to tell them that it's ideal to spend less than they get in income?
Most people have a general understanding of they can't/shouldn't spend more than they bring in.

What they're not taught is healthy financial hygiene.

I work with young people who often are getting real paychecks for the first time or at least reliably consistent paychecks. The amount of people who don't realize they can't doordash $20-30 every night is insane. Hell, in 2014 I had to explain to someone that buying a $10 BK meal every working day for lunch was costing them at least $250. Just for lunch. That was over 1/3 of one of their paychecks on Burger King. That advice has stuck with him to this day.

It's easy to just go "herp don't spend more than you earn" but if people who have never had money finally get money, then they're finally able to just spend money on things they've always wanted to do or try. They have no financial knowledge or discipline. Being condescending and talking down to them does nothing to actually help them learn.

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pupeye
02/05/24 9:35:10 PM
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wackyteen posted...
I went from just $12K in debt to over $60K in debt

You spent money you didn't have before shit hit the fan.
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wackyteen
02/05/24 9:37:32 PM
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1337toothbrush posted...
Yeah, but how is a course going to help that?

In an ideal world, it'd teach you financial discipline and hygiene to ensure you have a solid grasp on every dollar you are spending and teach you how to properly set aside money, not just for the sake of savings but for investing as well.

In the modern world we actually live in, I don't think any course or amount of knowledge will really help. If you're not fortunate enough to live in a area where cost of living is cheap or you can make actual decent money, then no amount of knowledge is going to save you from a rigged hand you've been dealt.

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NoxObscuras
02/05/24 10:06:12 PM
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1337toothbrush posted...
Do people need a course to tell them that it's ideal to spend less than they get in income?
Yes. Because if no one teaches kids about how credit cards and interest rates work, it can set them up for instant failure, the moment they're able to sign up on their own. I don't think it's as prevalent now, but credit card companies used to prey on college freshmen and try to sign as many of them up for credit cards as possible (they'd set up booths on campus). Because a lot of freshmen didn't understand that it wasn't just "free money" and would end up with maxed out cards and high interest rates.

Plus, a lot of adults even beyond college age don't fully understand how interest works and will often saddle themselves with debt that slowly snowballs because they're paying the minimum required payment every month, not realizing that the interest is adding more than they're paying. Same thing happens with student loans. Where people spend decades paying off the bare minimum only for the amount they owe to slowly increase.

So yes, learning all about that stuff, plus being taught about healthy spending habits and money management, would go a long way towards helping people. A lot more than the math classes we get in high school. Most people aren't going to actually need algebra 2, pre-calculus, calculus, etc., in their career paths.

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DirkDiggles
02/05/24 10:15:34 PM
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That is what happens when you live beyond your means.

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R_Jackal
02/05/24 10:18:22 PM
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Never understood the love for credit cards. For emergencies when you can't afford it and only luxuries when you can afford them. Or online purchases for security and immediately paying it off after.
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Rexdragon125
02/05/24 10:18:37 PM
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He's desperate to drag down Biden because his orange cult leader is excavating the bottom of the barrel
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Prismsblade
02/05/24 10:22:15 PM
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Its kind of sad the amount of people that think their outsmarting the banks because they use their cards responsible and always pay them off. But the reality is theres no shortage of people who arent either due to ignorance, neglect or just life.

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thronedfire2
02/05/24 10:22:24 PM
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R_Jackal posted...
Never understood the love for credit cards. For emergencies when you can't afford it and only luxuries when you can afford them. Or online purchases for security and immediately paying it off after.

well my credit cards give me cash back. my debit card charges me money to get my own money out of the wrong ATM

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Necronmon
02/05/24 10:24:24 PM
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Bloody hell...anyone that paid attention for ten seconds would know I hate Trump. I'm just saying...Biden needs to do more because he keeps insisting that things are going well, but things are clearly not going well for most Americans...the rich are doing well and the " Stock Market is going good." But this whole thing is showing that inflation really is causing more and more American's to drown and Biden and the democrats insisting that we are in " good times" is just making it easier for Trump to win....is that easy enough to understand?
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R_Jackal
02/05/24 10:29:28 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
well my credit cards give me cash back. my debit card charges me money to get my own money out of the wrong ATM
All well and good until you have a particularly bad patch and end up spending more to pay off than the cash back you get.

Also why even use an out of network ATM? Just buy some shit at a store and get cash. Unless you suddenly need a ton of cash which is usually an emergency or poor planning.
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HudGard
02/05/24 10:45:37 PM
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20%+ on borrowed money, even unsecured is obscene. Especially when marketed as a must have convenience. Something needs to be done about the credit card.

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1337toothbrush
02/05/24 10:49:02 PM
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You don't need a dedicated course for teaching finances when you can just point out the power of compound interest in a math class. All of the issues I've heard here, other than unforeseen expenses, are just issues of math. Even for unforeseen expenses, you can teach probabilities and keeping a good buffer for that.

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R_Jackal
02/05/24 10:53:37 PM
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1337toothbrush posted...
You don't need a dedicated course for teaching finances when you can just point out the power of compound interest in a math class. All of the issues I've heard here, other than unforeseen expenses, are just issues of math. Even for unforeseen expenses, you can teach probabilities and keeping a good buffer for that.
This is good in theory. Most people I know of, outside of those needing more advanced stuff for work, immediately forget everything aside from basic grade school math the exact second they're done with schooling.
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Kuuko
02/05/24 10:57:15 PM
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At no other point in time in history did every single person carry around a compendium of all knowledge ever known to man in their pockets. But instead of googling "how do credit cards work", we would rather look at cat videos for 30 hours a week.

Well I'm just kidding a little bit and I sympathize with people who fall into any sort of predatory lending schemes. But still, so many of the excuses are so weak. Like bro, you're in your 30s - you can't keep blaming everything on your highschool teachers. At some point it's on you to figure out how taxes or credit cards work.

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Null_Gain
02/05/24 11:05:41 PM
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MrResetti posted...
Home Ec was a joke course even back when.


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emblem-man
02/05/24 11:10:49 PM
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ironman2009 posted...
People are stupid and set up for failure. Dunno how to do their taxes or budget but learned what cos and sin mean in high school.

People living on their own with families and jobs don't even find it important to learn how taxes work. Not sure why people think high schoolers with no income, who don't even want to be in school, will care to learn or retain much of the info .

Like sure, take a couple hours out of the week to go over how taxes work, I'm just pessimistic that it would help even half of the students.

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DnDer
02/05/24 11:25:59 PM
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1337toothbrush posted...
when you can just point out the power of compound interest in a math class

Money makes money. I've undesired compound interest since I learned it in middle school.

Problem is, I never had enough, once I started earning, to invest back into something. Not after monthly expenses and paying into insurance, when I could afford it... And there are zero institutions that offer even 3% interest that used to be the example for letting your money sit and grow and compound.

Compound interest like I was taught in school doesn't exist in the real world as a viable investment tool. You need mutual funds and stocks and Roths and about 8 other tools that really do require some kind of financial literacy course to not end up working until you die at the register.

Or, more succinctly, as wacky pointed out earlier:

wackyteen posted...
If you're not fortunate enough to live in a area where cost of living is cheap or you can make actual decent money, then no amount of knowledge is going to save you from a rigged hand you've been dealt.


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lydiaquayle
02/05/24 11:27:05 PM
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Necronmon posted...
Like...seriously this is making Biden and the whole democracy party look out of touch when they are not even really taking this as a issue and acting like only the rich matter..
Can't really do anything when the party controlling Congress refuses to pass anything to help, and blocking Presidential orders that would've helped.


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DnDer
02/05/24 11:28:02 PM
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Kuuko posted...
Well I'm just kidding a little bit and I sympathize with people who fall into any sort of predatory lending schemes.

My good kuuko, don't you understand? They're all predatory schemes.

Even the ones that are supposed to make you money, help you retire, and get you out of debt?

Especially the ones that are supposed to make you money, help you retire, and get you out of debt

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