Current Events > Beyonce is obviously more talented and creative than Taylor Swift

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PraetorXyn
02/02/24 1:37:02 AM
#51:


AnsestralRecall posted...
Guess there's no respect for orchestra musicians then eh
Classical music is a different ballgame entirely. Were talking about contemporary artists who are ostensibly producing new music, and its perfectly reasonable to respect singer / songwriters more than singers having a table of songwriters write their music for them.

Any violinist who can properly play say, Paganinis Caprice No 5 in A Minor at tempo deserves respect simply because it takes a lifetime of dedication to their craft to be able to do that. By contrast, the music industry is full of people who can sing and / or play to varying degrees, and few of them ever crack the top echelon of technical ability.

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Evol
02/02/24 1:38:20 AM
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BigB0ss13 posted...
Beyonce samples a bunch of songs that already exist. Taylor writes and makes original music

By this logic Taylor is better than Whitney Houston. Lol
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Aitz
02/02/24 1:43:03 AM
#53:


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ai123
02/02/24 1:45:42 AM
#54:


Reading this thread is like watching MTV with my grandparents in the 90s.

'They don't write their own songs!'
'Can she even play a real instrument?'
'Sampling is just copying other people's work!'.

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BigB0ss13
02/02/24 1:47:19 AM
#55:


Takes more talent and creativity to come up with original stuff
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Blue_Target
02/02/24 2:00:35 AM
#56:


BloodMoon7 posted...
If Beyonce is more talented and creative than Swift, then how come I don't hear about who Beyonce is bangin'?
This. Her fans are very interested in her love life probably because her music is about her exes.

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Scintillant
02/02/24 2:05:22 AM
#57:


people like different things and that's pretty much all there is to it

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Evol
02/02/24 2:17:30 AM
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The National Anthem is one of the hardest songs to sing. Taylor could never.

https://youtu.be/OhrrGu2rcZ4?si=BkMl5_dJaQlTFdGS

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nocturnal_traveler
02/02/24 2:20:57 AM
#59:


Beyonce got the Kanye seal of approval. I'm sure you know how much that's worth.

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lydiaquayle
02/02/24 2:24:57 AM
#60:


BigB0ss13 posted...
Taylor writes and makes original music
You mean she pays people to say that she 'co-writes' with.

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ai123
02/02/24 2:25:05 AM
#61:


BigB0ss13 posted...
Takes more talent and creativity to come up with original stuff
Original doesn't mean good (nor creative, for that matter).

Composers have been incorporating the works of others since (at least) Medieval times. I guess Brahms, Mozart, and Liszt lacked talent and creativity.

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ai123
02/02/24 2:29:32 AM
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lydiaquayle posted...
You mean she pays people to say that she 'co-writes' with.
Baseless, and very silly, conspiracy theory.

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Torgo
02/02/24 2:31:56 AM
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Is she though?

Never really thought Beyonce's voice was anything special, and does she even write her own music like Swift?

I really don't have a dog in this fight, I'm not a fan of pop or R&B - I always thought Beyonce was perfectly fine as a singer/talent but obviously ridiculously hot.

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Devilanse333
02/02/24 2:34:40 AM
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Whitney Houston superior.
Beyonce inferior.

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NoxObscuras
02/02/24 2:42:25 AM
#65:


What the actual fuck is this topic? You can praise Taylor Swift without shitting on Beyonce.

Like, who cares if Beyonce doesn't play an instrument or that she has songwriters and choreographers, she is one of the greatest female vocalists of all time. And she has set several records over the course of her career.

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majin_nemesis
02/02/24 2:43:43 AM
#66:


Number090684 posted...
Because there can only be one person on top and people want to know who is superior. I used to think it was Beyonce but now it definitely feels like Swift.
why? music isn't a sport
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ai123
02/02/24 2:48:47 AM
#67:


I think that people don't really understand the modern creative/collaborative process. Still hung up on ideals of a guy with angst in his heart and guitar in his hand being all 'authentic'. As if that were ever the case.

Beyonce and Taylor don't sit there painting their nails, waiting for someone to say, 'hey, we've done all the songs, the concepts, the costumes, and the dance moves. If you could just pop down to the studio and sing the top line like we tell you, you're done'.

It's not uncommon for misogyny to affect the perception of female artists. Michael Jackson didn't play an instrument, and is credited with writing less than half of his most famous album.


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Punished_Blinx
02/02/24 3:47:46 AM
#68:


lydiaquayle posted...
You mean she pays people to say that she 'co-writes' with.

So we've gone from ghost writers to co-writers.

All of which specifically talk about the process of writing songs with her in-depth and are credited.

Are you aware that Swift has also written songs for other musicians?

A singer doesn't even need to write their own songs. But this whole attitude that a person like Swift is unable to write her own music without some shadow cabal writing it for her is really stupid.

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jumi
02/02/24 3:51:37 AM
#69:


NoxObscuras posted...
she is one of the greatest female vocalists of all time.

She barely cracks the top ten, if that.

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josiskrazy
02/02/24 5:32:42 AM
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Beyonce used child labors to make her clothes and then brushed it off like "whatever" when asked about it. 6-9 year old girls being used, but of course Beyonce promotes herself a savior for women's rights and power. Hypocrite.

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02/02/24 6:01:09 AM
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VeesMcGees
02/02/24 6:03:41 AM
#71:


Taylor Swift probably writes the lyrics, but at this point I'd bet Jack Antonoff does most of the musical writing
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mustachedmystic
02/02/24 6:07:31 AM
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I bet TC thinks it is racist when a white person is ahead of him at an intersection.

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Lord_Shadow
02/02/24 6:36:17 AM
#73:


I'm more talented then Taylor Swift

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tankboy
02/02/24 6:59:29 AM
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I believe that TS certainly writes most of her songs, but not all of them. You can tell, because she'll have songs with generally good lyrics, but then you can tell where she got tired and just stuck in some really lame lines. Some are really about her, while some are anthems that could be sung by anybody.

I think Shake It Off was originally provided to her in a very different form, and then she "Swiftified it" into a more poppy song that suited her voice and style better. My primary evidence is that the lyrics are not in her usual writing voice, and the notorious "this sick beat" line makes no sense in a song without a strong beat (sick or otherwise).

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Lairen
02/02/24 7:09:23 AM
#75:


Evol posted...
Racism.


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Robot2600
02/02/24 7:22:26 AM
#76:


Crazyman93 posted...
Beyonce does absolutely nothing but perform. Someone else writes her music. Someone else choreographs her dances. Say what you will about Swift, but she does write her own songs. I'm not even sure Beyonce has ever touched a guitar.


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Evol
02/02/24 7:24:31 AM
#77:


A guitar and some lines mean nothing to me when the singer cant hit notes and has no soul.
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St0rmFury
02/02/24 7:45:58 AM
#79:


Who runs the world? Girls.
Who runs the world? Girls.
Who runs the world? Girls.
Who runs the world? Girls.

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Cephalopods
02/02/24 7:52:34 AM
#80:


Well, Beyonce doesn't release music nearly as often as Swift; and she's not in the public eye nearly as much. Her and Jay-Z have seemed to be keeping their lives relatively private in recent years. When Beyonce does drop though, it usually has huge cultural impact. Lemonade and Rennaissace were massive, successful albums.
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ArchNemo
02/02/24 8:01:18 AM
#81:


lydiaquayle posted...
Beyonce's #1 songs have outperformed Swift's #1 songs.

Maybe Beyonces genre lends itself more to popular singles. How do they compare in album sales where more artistry would be on display?

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radical_rhino
02/02/24 8:01:29 AM
#82:


Lemonade and Beyonc are twice as good as anything Swift has put out. True R&B classic, five-star albums.

Swift does mediocre pop-country mainstream bullshit, and I doubt she writes her own music.

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ArsGoetia
02/02/24 8:01:43 AM
#83:


Evol posted...
The National Anthem is one of the hardest songs to sing. Taylor could never.

https://youtu.be/OhrrGu2rcZ4?si=BkMl5_dJaQlTFdGS

https://youtu.be/qGDH18R7GfA?si=7nyNA1p9NgfUp6nv


shes ok but shes no airsoftfatty
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KiwiTerraRizing
02/02/24 8:02:53 AM
#84:


Im not a fan of Taylor but I respect the hell out of her because she writes her own songs.

Its an open secret in the music business that Beyoncs writing credits are at least partially bullshit. Shell change a word and take a credit on it.

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CARRRNE_ASADA
02/02/24 8:05:57 AM
#85:


Talent doesnt matter much with success. TW just sings stuff that the biggest demographics in US like more. Also more marketable for teens.

But yeah, Beyonce is overall more talented. TS isnt even that great of a dancer and is kinda stiff.

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hockeybabe89
02/02/24 8:06:43 AM
#86:


Beyonce stinks. Tswift does too

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AnsestralRecall
02/02/24 8:08:58 AM
#87:


radical_rhino posted...
Swift does mediocre pop-country

she hasn't had country elements in her music in over 10 years


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Evol
02/02/24 8:26:50 AM
#88:


Remember when this performance made racists angry

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El_Marsh
02/02/24 8:44:44 AM
#89:


gdi BBT

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lilORANG
02/02/24 9:13:50 AM
#90:


Does Bey even write music?

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Goldenguy
02/02/24 9:19:48 AM
#91:


No idea why there needs to be a debate, Beyonce and Taylor are both fucking bad ass.

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JlM
02/02/24 9:25:07 AM
#92:


This is a stupid argument. There's no need to pit them against each other. They're both lovely, talented artists and great performers that deserve respect.

Unlike Ariana Grande. She sucks.

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AnsestralRecall
02/02/24 9:25:53 AM
#93:


JlM posted...
She sucks

Lol

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josiskrazy
02/02/24 9:26:21 AM
#94:


JlM posted...
Ariana Grande. She sucks.

That new song is garbo

Everyone should be listening to Tori Kelly anyways!

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GeneSnitsky
02/02/24 9:32:33 AM
#95:


Evol posted...
Remember when this performance made racists angry

https://youtu.be/85Ksi-uzuIg?si=gSZAPUlYrqkwgyDz

Remember when the idea of Taylor Swift being considered more popular than Beyonce made the babies cry?

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NoxObscuras
02/02/24 11:16:45 AM
#96:


jumi posted...
She barely cracks the top ten, if that.
Depends on who you ask. I've seen some lists place her in the top 20. Other lists she's in the top 10.

Point is, she's up there and it's bizarre to see people hating on Beyonce just because the TC said that she's better than Taylor Swift.

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BigB0ss13
02/03/24 1:37:54 AM
#97:


JlM posted...
This is a stupid argument. There's no need to pit them against each other. They're both lovely, talented artists and great performers that deserve respect.

Unlike Ariana Grande. She sucks.


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Heavy_D_Forever
02/03/24 2:05:57 AM
#98:


Beyonce is ridiculously overrated. She's really not that attractive and it's widely known that she's a huge bitch to the people around her. Swift at least seems to care about her fans and will go out of her way sometimes to make sure they have a great experience.

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Aloc
02/03/24 2:06:19 AM
#99:


Neither are attractive

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toadfan64
02/03/24 3:17:35 AM
#100:


Heavy_D_Forever posted...
Beyonce is ridiculously overrated. She's really not that attractive and it's widely known that she's a huge bitch to the people around her. Swift at least seems to care about her fans and will go out of her way sometimes to make sure they have a great experience.
That concert she played for like 5 hours in the rain is something few artists will do. Springsteen and Metallica are two that come to mind that have done so. I can see Beyonce canceling her's in a similar circumstance.

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