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teep_
11/16/23 12:27:06 AM
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From the article, translated:

The union IF Metall increases the strike compensation to 130 percent of the salary for those participating in the strike against Tesla. "The strike fund is enough for about 500 years," says Jesper Pettersson, press officer at IF Metall.

IF Metall's strike against the multinational electric car giant Tesla is now in its third week. The conflict looks set to be protracted and today, Monday, November 13, the union is raising the compensation for those participating in the strike to a level that is higher than the Tesla salary.

https://www.arbetaren.se/2023/11/13/if-metall-strejkkassan-racker-i-500-ar/ (translated via Reddit)

Solidarity

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Foppe
11/16/23 2:26:10 AM
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USA: B.but unions are evil!!!

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HolierThanMao
11/16/23 2:29:09 AM
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musk is not gonna budge, so those union members are going to get some bang for their dues

the union'll fold eventually tho
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Arcanine2009
11/16/23 2:58:19 AM
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500 years? You mean 20 years?

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Serious_Cat
11/16/23 3:25:04 AM
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I'm sort of doubtful that there's any way the union can afford to pay out increased salary for 500 years unless the vast majority of a workers' pay goes toward the union.

Edit to add it looks like it might be enough to cover the striking workers because the union that covers them goes back 150ish years and it's a small fraction of the union striking. Slightly more plausible understanding that.

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teep_
11/16/23 12:29:58 PM
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Serious_Cat posted...
I'm sort of doubtful that there's any way the union can afford to pay out increased salary for 500 years unless the vast majority of a workers' pay goes toward the union.

Edit to add it looks like it might be enough to cover the striking workers because the union that covers them goes back 150ish years and it's a small fraction of the union striking. Slightly more plausible understanding that.
They also probably have a lot of members. I just read a statistic that the percentage of unionised workers on Denmark is in the 90s.

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CoyoteTheGreat
11/16/23 12:33:26 PM
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Serious_Cat posted...
I'm sort of doubtful that there's any way the union can afford to pay out increased salary for 500 years unless the vast majority of a workers' pay goes toward the union.

Edit to add it looks like it might be enough to cover the striking workers because the union that covers them goes back 150ish years and it's a small fraction of the union striking. Slightly more plausible understanding that.

Yeah, it just goes to show you the bigger the union, the better.

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ShadowLake
11/16/23 12:41:37 PM
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Sverige och vra arbetare

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teep_
11/17/23 12:38:20 AM
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Starting Friday, dockworkers in all Swedish ports will refuse to offload Teslas, cleaning crews will no longer clean showrooms, and mechanics wont fix charging points as the labor dispute rages on.

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/sweden-tesla-strike-cleaners

This sort of solidarity is refreshing to see

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Kradek
11/17/23 1:02:39 AM
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Your worker culture sounds way healthier than the U.S.

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NES4EVER
11/17/23 1:05:26 AM
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Solidarity with the striking workers!

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teep_
11/17/23 1:09:23 AM
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Kradek posted...
Your worker culture sounds way healthier than the U.S.
It's not mine, unfortunately

Germany wishes it could be this good

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Kradek
11/17/23 1:13:21 AM
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teep_ posted...
It's not mine, unfortunately

Germany wishes it could be this good

Ah, well then Sweden's worker culture.

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scar_the_1
11/17/23 1:13:26 AM
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Oh yeah. Port workers refuse ships with Teslas on them, cleaners refuse to clean Tesla work places, electricians revise to service Tesla charging stations, and apparently some musician union is saying their members' music will be unplayable in Tesla cars. I'm enjoying this :)

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ShadowLake
11/17/23 10:33:39 AM
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Former PM and current SocDem leader Magdalena Andersson visited some striking workers outside Tesla. Meanwhile Right-wing lobbyist organisation Svenskt nringsliv of course back Tesla (they always have such bad takes).

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/9a2d54d9.jpg

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Xenogears15
11/17/23 10:41:47 AM
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Cool, hopefully Tesla workers here will do the same.

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scar_the_1
11/17/23 10:53:58 AM
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ShadowLake posted...
Former PM and current SocDem leader Magdalena Andersson visited some striking workers outside Tesla. Meanwhile Right-wing lobbyist organisation Svenskt nringsliv of course back Tesla (they always have such bad takes).

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/9a2d54d9.jpg
This is what I expect from the socdems! I wish they had showed the same solidarity when ruling.

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ShadowLake
11/17/23 12:24:13 PM
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scar_the_1 posted...
This is what I expect from the socdems! I wish they had showed the same solidarity when ruling.
I wish Magda would have gotten more time as PM than 10 months cuz this is something she do. As Minister of Finance she is the one who pushed to remove karensdagen during the pandemic for example.

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RchHomieQuanChi
11/17/23 12:27:42 PM
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The U.S. really wants you to think that unions not only don't work, but are actually a bad thing

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Turbam
11/17/23 12:32:12 PM
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B-b-b-but!!!!!
Union FEES!!!!!!!

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Antifar
11/17/23 12:46:16 PM
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Solidarity is powerful

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Foppe
11/17/23 1:09:59 PM
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Turbam posted...
B-b-b-but!!!!!
Union FEES!!!!!!!
...are the reason how they can pay the strikers for 500 years.

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Turbam
11/17/23 1:13:34 PM
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Foppe posted...
...are the reason how they can pay the strikers for 500 years.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

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scar_the_1
11/17/23 1:29:41 PM
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ShadowLake posted...
I wish Magda would have gotten more time as PM than 10 months cuz this is something she do. As Minister of Finance she is the one who pushed to remove karensdagen during the pandemic for example.
Yeah, it would have been good if she had a proper chance instead of that short chaos

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Prismsblade
11/17/23 1:34:52 PM
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Could unions always do this? At this point the workers themselves have little to no incentive to end the strike under any circumstances and minus well milk this dry.

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darkace77450
11/17/23 2:07:34 PM
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Prismsblade posted...
Could unions always do this? At this point the workers themselves have little to no incentive to end the strike under any circumstances and minus well milk this dry.

They're in this position because those who came before them acted in good faith towards what's best for their union members. Milking it dry would be the polar opposite of that; they'd be pulling the ladder up behind them.
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Prismsblade
11/17/23 2:22:12 PM
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darkace77450 posted...
They're in this position because those who came before them acted in good faith towards what's best for their union members. Milking it dry would be the polar opposite of that; they'd be pulling the ladder up behind them.
Individuals and groups ladder raise all the time despite if given the opportunity and this is one such unique opportunity.

Which the union must be aware and idk why they chose Tesla of all companies to play this card on.

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Foppe
11/17/23 2:33:39 PM
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Prismsblade posted...
Individuals and groups ladder raise all the time despite if given the opportunity and this is one such unique opportunity.

Which the union must be aware and idk why they chose Tesla of all companies to play this card on.
Because collective agreements is a big thing in Sweden.

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UnfairRepresent
11/17/23 2:36:20 PM
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NES4EVER posted...
Solidarity with the striking workers!


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ROBANN_88
11/17/23 2:39:15 PM
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darkace77450 posted...
They're in this position because those who came before them acted in good faith towards what's best for their union members. Milking it dry would be the polar opposite of that; they'd be pulling the ladder up behind them.

had this been america, i'm pretty sure that's exactly what would happen

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ShadowLake
11/17/23 2:55:13 PM
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ROBANN_88 posted...
had this been america, i'm pretty sure that's exactly what would happen
Yeah. Americans usually tend to have such a different mindset from us on these things. Much more selfish and greedy and seem to ruin things for themselves in the long run in favour of short term gain.

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creativerealms
11/17/23 2:56:01 PM
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More reason for Elon to be anti-union. he can't have his employees paid what they deserve.

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Ranting__Nord
11/17/23 3:03:58 PM
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I can't really tell. It says all of Sweden works under collective agreements and Tesla won't make one so they're striking to have... any agreement in place?

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Kradek
11/17/23 3:25:08 PM
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ShadowLake posted...
Yeah. Americans usually tend to have such a different mindset from us on these things. Much more selfish and greedy and seem to ruin things for themselves in the long run in favour of short term gain.

As an American I agree and it's one of the most disheartening thing about this country. They shove "rugged individualism" on us so hard that it's led to not only apathy, but often hatred for those who are less fortunate or who didn't have the same options because "I did it, so can they. Fuck them"

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ROBANN_88
11/17/23 3:27:57 PM
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ShadowLake posted...
Yeah. Americans usually tend to have such a different mindset from us on these things. Much more selfish and greedy and seem to ruin things for themselves in the long run in favour of short term gain.

to be fair to them, i bet a majority of the world fall in that category.
it's more likely that we're the exception here

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Kradek
11/17/23 3:30:20 PM
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ROBANN_88 posted...
to be fair to them, i bet a majority of the world fall in that category.
it's more likely that we're the exception here

I don't know if it's all of Asia, however Japan and South Korea, at least, also focus on the collective good of society and the nation over that of individual needs/wants.

I don't know how strong that sentiment is around the world, but I know it's like that for them.

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scar_the_1
11/17/23 4:17:15 PM
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Prismsblade posted...
Individuals and groups ladder raise all the time despite if given the opportunity and this is one such unique opportunity.

Which the union must be aware and idk why they chose Tesla of all companies to play this card on.
They didn't "choose" Tesla, Tesla refuses to make a collective bargaining agreement which is pretty standard in Sweden, especially in this industry. If LKAB or Skanska or whoever tried the same thing, there would still be a strike. Of course the optics is a lot easier when they're striking against a complete moron though

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ROBANN_88
11/17/23 4:21:30 PM
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did Amazon get a Collective Agreement when they came here?

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scar_the_1
11/17/23 4:24:44 PM
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ROBANN_88 posted...
did Amazon get a Collective Agreement when they came here?
I can't imagine they did. That industry is pretty shitty in Sweden still.

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ShadowLake
11/17/23 4:25:09 PM
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ROBANN_88 posted...
did Amazon get a Collective Agreement when they came here?

scar_the_1 posted...
I can't imagine they did. That industry is pretty shitty in Sweden still.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/0edf4d78.jpg

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scar_the_1
11/17/23 4:28:15 PM
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ShadowLake posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/0edf4d78.jpg
Nice, didn't know!

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Forty_Niners
11/17/23 7:20:05 PM
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https://twitter.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1725517353046138906

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ROBANN_88
11/17/23 7:41:40 PM
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how long do you think it will be before every mention of the strike gets scrubbed off of twitter?
has the Musk-rat said anything about them publically yet?

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ShadowLake
11/18/23 7:01:49 AM
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scar_the_1 posted...
Nice, didn't know!
So something good, and gives extra weight to the Tesla strike.

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Bass
11/18/23 7:05:43 AM
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Turbam posted...
B-b-b-but!!!!!
Union FEES!!!!!!!
Lmao, that argument is always so funny to me. My union only charges $16 a pay. I know you're making fun of the people that say that since they really are clowns.

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ShadowLake
11/18/23 7:35:46 AM
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ROBANN_88 posted...
how long do you think it will be before every mention of the strike gets scrubbed off of twitter?
has the Musk-rat said anything about them publically yet?
I dont know if he has.

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IceCreamOnStero
11/18/23 7:39:06 AM
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Prismsblade posted...
Could unions always do this? At this point the workers themselves have little to no incentive to end the strike under any circumstances and minus well milk this dry.
If they get what they want from the employer they have incentive to end the strike.

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brestugo
11/18/23 9:14:45 AM
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Xenogears15 posted...
Cool, hopefully Tesla workers here will do the same.

Tesla workers in the US can't even sue the company. They sign away their right to sue in favor of arbitration as a condition of employment. When the CA Attorney General started looking into this, Musk moved the manufacturing (where most of the complaints were coming from) to Texas.


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