Current Events > Noah Schnapp (Stranger Things) hands out "Zionism is Sexy" stickers

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Funkydog posted...

The poor wickle genocide defender had his feelings hurt. He's the true victim!

I don't remember him saying he supports genocide......and bullying somebody online and celebrating the death of their dog because he had feelings about his protected class being murdered in a horrific terrorist attack is truly something

HHH_is_the_game posted...

I don't remember him saying he supports genocide......and bullying somebody online and celebrating the death of their dog because he had feelings about his protected class being murdered in a horrific terrorist attack is truly something

So he doesn't support the Iaraeli government and their current actions? He hasn't done the things he's laughed about in mocking Palestinian victims? It was all an AI hoax?

When has he mocked Palestinian victims? I don't know if he supports every action Israel does or not but the way people treated him was very early on after the Hamas attack and things like that could easily make people feel like they are being victimized. but as I said in another topic this is such a hard conflict because both sides feel vicitimized. So probably the right option is to not bully or personally attack anybody on either side of it

I mean, I don't know what he meant by it, and "Zionism" can mean many things including that Israel has a right to exist. I don't know what he thinks and don't just jump to the worst interpretation and call him evil.

But fair enough, you make a good point, it isn't that different from those that use "from the river to the sea" which can mean different things depending on who you ask, but could be read very badly at a sensitive time. And I thought the congresswoman who used "from the river to the sea" was acting badly and deserved the criticism she got for it, so I get that part and ill give you he is being tone deaf with those stickers.

But I also wouldn't think that congresswoman deserved people attacking her personally and bullying her or celebrating the death of her dog either so the reaction is still wrong.

wow he should really know better
19 year olds are renowned for their world consciousness, political insight, and wisdom

Now now, he probably just got back from a really enjoyable trip to Zion National Park, and really hates hummus but doesn't know how to spell it. Also, the Mind Flayer made him do it.

...use your imaginations, people!!

HHH_is_the_game posted...

And I thought the congresswoman who used "from the river to the sea" was acting badly and deserved the criticism she got for it, so I get that part and ill give you he is being tone deaf with those stickers.

Then you are demonstrably wrong. Stop injecting yourself into conversations if you're this ignorant.

Should've left Will in the Upside Down.

Plumeofdusk posted...

That really isn't a fair comparison, since Hamas isn't a single serial killer. It's a terrorist group with a founding charter than literally calls for the murder of all Jewish people. War is always ugly and innocents are always an unfortunate causality of it. I just don't get why Noah supporting the movement that opposes Hamas (who literally want Jewish people dead) makes him deserving of so much vitriol.

The answer to the question is quite simple. You are currently surrounded by a group of people that either believe Israel had it coming on October 7th, Israel doesnt have the right to exist, or the response to October 7th is so disproportionate to what actually happened that day, that if didnt deserve it then, it does now. And therefore any mention of innocents being an unfortunate casualty of war makes you insensitive to the plight of the Palestinians, and ignorant to the whole conflict.

You see, they claim not to be anti semitic, but to be Anti Zionists. Jews are not entitled to a homeland of their own, and the fact that they have one is only because of European Colonial Imperialism, something they are vehemently against. The idea that Jews need a homeland for self defense is entirely foreign to them, and even if they accept that, they believe it is completely reasonable for every Israeli to pack their bags and just come to America because we have synagogues too.

So now that you know what you are dealing with, you understand where the vitriol comes from. But you should take solace from the fact that this is the internet, and youre only talking to people on either side of the aisle that have literally nothing to do but bitch and moan about this. So its not like you should come here expecting civilized discourse. It hasnt been that the entire time, its been the opposite.

Plumeofdusk posted...

Okay that's cool, but does that make your opinion more valid than Noah's? :v

Im also Jewish and not a Zionist

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The feeling is mutual.

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

Israel had it coming on October 7th, Israel doesnt have the right to exist, or the response to October 7th is so disproportionate to what actually happened that day, that if didnt deserve it then, it does now.

Yes, those are the only options available.

Clearly.

I wonder what it feels like to be a puppet of the complex. I guess you wake up in the morning, look in the mirror and go "sexy"!

Plumeofdusk posted...

Fine then, carry on with your attacks on the 19 year old gay Jewish boy I guess. Is that what you want to hear?

If you want people to take your bait, you can't keep dropping the "gay" line.

yeah, Zionism just makes you a fundamentalist just like a white fundamentalist Christian fundamentalist Islamic fundamentalist. Theres nothing good about that.

But hes right about Hamas. It is Isis i.e. it is a terrorist organization.

Shame he's apparently taken the route that he has, however I harbor no will against him or his life's endeavors.

LaLeyenda posted...

"Hamas is Isis."
So they are going with the allegations that Israel funds ISIS like how they funded Hamas?
https://cufi.org/issue/restates-belief-israel-finances-arms-trains-isis-terrorists/
http://cgsrs.org/publications/31
https://www.inss.org.il/publication/isis-israel/
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
https://www.tbsnews.net/hamas-israel-war/how-israel-went-helping-create-hamas-bombing-it-718378
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB123275572295011847
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2302309/how-and-why-israel-helped-create-hamas
https://youtu.be/pJ9PKQbkJv8?si=PiCjBC6ND_lSXLXw

Kudos to Oliver for trying to do the impossible and present this in an informative, unbiased way. Always my news source/analysis.

Gritty posted...

yeah, Zionism just makes you a fundamentalist just like a white fundamentalist Christian fundamentalist Islamic fundamentalist. Theres nothing good about that.

But hes right about Hamas. It is Isis i.e. it is a terrorist organization.

No it doesnt. Not even close. Theres even a branch of zionism - founded by a Rav Kook, that proves the point. Herzls vision for Zionism was more focused on antisemitism than religion. Jabotinsky wanted a Jewish army. Achad Haam wanted a national home for the Jewish people where new Jewish culture could fostered.

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

The answer to the question is quite simple. You are currently surrounded by a group of people that either believe Israel had it coming on October 7th, Israel doesnt have the right to exist, or the response to October 7th is so disproportionate to what actually happened that day, that if didnt deserve it then, it does now.

I've seen you have conversations with several users who haven't said any of these. You're being disingenous.

And therefore any mention of innocents being an unfortunate casualty of war makes you insensitive to the plight of the Palestinians, and ignorant to the whole conflict.

Trying to pass off indiscriminately bombing known civillian targets as "well, war has collateral damage, what can you do" is indeed extremely insensitive. These are real, living people being blown up for no reason, "unfortunate" is an unfathomably generous way to describe.

You see, they claim not to be anti semitic, but to be Anti Zionists. Jews are not entitled to a homeland of their own, and the fact that they have one is only because of European Colonial Imperialism, something they are vehemently against.

People do tend to be against homeland that are colonial apartheid attempted ethnostates, yes.

The idea that Jews need a homeland for self defense

Fucking lol

is entirely foreign to them, and even if they accept that, they believe it is completely reasonable for every Israeli to pack their bags and just come to America because we have synagogues too.

Not bombing civillians is a great alternative.

IceCreamOnStero posted...

The idea that Jews need a homeland for self defense

f***ing lol

If you find that hilarious you need only look back in history

ModernPost posted...

Then you are demonstrably wrong. Stop injecting yourself into conversations if you're this ignorant.

No? "From the river to the sea" could be innocuous or it could be a call for genocide. Same with Zionism. It could just mean Israel has a right to exist or it could mean you support everything Israel does. They are pretty similar in this case. And both people probably should have thought before saying this in such a time, and neither person deserves to be bullied personally about it and insulted and have people celebrate the death of their dog

HHH_is_the_game posted...

No? "From the river to the sea" could be innocuous or it could be a call for genocide.

Incorrect. Tlaib clearly did not intend for it to be a call for genocide. It was a call against the genocide of the Palestinian people. Trying to represent it as otherwise is the height of bullshit and you should be admonished for it.

HHH_is_the_game posted...

They are pretty similar in this case.

Not even remotely.

HHH_is_the_game posted...

. And both people probably should have thought before saying this in such a time, and neither person deserves to be bullied personally about it and insulted and have people celebrate the death of their dog

I believe that it is perfectly acceptable to "bully" people who support the genocide of innocent Palestinians. Go fuck yourself.

ModernPost posted...

Incorrect. Tlaib clearly did not intend for it to be a call for genocide. It was a call against the genocide of the Palestinian people. Trying to represent it as otherwise is the height of bulls*** and you should be admonished for it.

Ok? And you know that Noah Schnapp did intend it to be a call for genocide? Maybe it was a call against anti-semitism and the anti-Israeli terrorist attacks? Using a phrase like that was very tone deaf on Tlaib's part since it is used by some to mean they want all the Jews wiped out. What do you think happens to the Jewish people if Palestine extends from the river to the sea? Do you think they peacefully co-exist together? You're stretching to say that it does not have potentially bad implications and that it is just a call for peace. Maybe SHE meant it that way, but some don't.

(And if you don't see that, I strongly advise you not to use that phrase around your Jewish friends)

HHH_is_the_game posted...

And you know that Noah Schnapp did intend it to be a call for genocide?

Zionism is a call for genocide. It's not a difficult concept to grasp, even you should be capable of understanding it.

HHH_is_the_game posted...

(And if you don't see that, I strongly advise you not to use that phrase around your Jewish friends)

My Jewish friends oppose Israeli war crimes and Israeli genocide.

ModernPost posted...

Zionism is a call for genocide. It's not a difficult concept to grasp, even you should be capable of understanding it.

If you consider Zionism a call for genocide, then "From the river to the sea" is equally genocidal. Either can be interpreted genocidally or not.

HHH_is_the_game posted...

If you consider Zionism a call for genocide, then "From the river to the sea" is equally genocidal.

Why?

Zionism could mean you believe in Israel's right to exist, you believe the Jewish people need a homeland to be protected. It could also mean you support everything that Israel does including oppressing and murdering Palestinians.

"from the river to the sea" could mean you want Palestinians to be free of Jewish oppression. It could also mean you want Palestine to extend from the river to the sea and wipe out all the Jews who live in the middle.

Both have peaceful and genocidal implications.

HHH_is_the_game posted...

Both have peaceful and genocidal implications.

You're incorrect, that's what I'm trying to get you to acknowledge. You've been misinformed.

The discussion isn't about the original intent of 'From the river to the sea'. The fact of the matter is that it has been co-opted by terrorist groups and its greater context within the modern discourse has changed

myztikrice posted...

The discussion isn't about the original intent of 'From the river to the sea'. The fact of the matter is that it has been co-opted by terrorist groups and its greater context within the modern discourse has changed

This is false. It's propaganda that Israel wants to shovel into your gullet. You don't have to accept it. You can break free from your programming.

HHH_is_the_game posted...

What do you think happens to the Jewish people if Palestine extends from the river to the sea? Do you think they peacefully co-exist together?

There's the fear mongering. There's the mantra Zionists have to keep repeating, have to keep CREATING to justify everything. You make it sound as if the Jewish people in Palestine are still some sort of minority under imminent danger of attack from within and without. Yes, there was such a time, and regrettable measures were taken on both sides, but the tables have long since turned, and the only thing preventing peaceful coexistence at this point is that long history of Israeli policies which haven't been relevant OR effective for decades, as was proven on October 7. In any case Palestine still extends from the river to the sea, as it always has, seeing as there's never been bilateral agreement on a partition. That's why Palestinians would be the first to defend Palestine if any neighbors attacked, and glad to have Jewish people or anyone else on their side. You just have to let them most rightfully call it their country, their land as much as anyone else's. You just have to not call it sexy when you displace, oppress and marginalize an entire nation.

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

And therefore any mention of innocents being an unfortunate casualty of war makes you insensitive to the plight of the Palestinians, and ignorant to the whole conflict.

There's a world of difference between unfortunate casualties of war, arguably like the hostages the IDF shot when opening fire on crowds of people, and deliberate atrocities like sniping doctors in hospital windows, knowingly killing children in incubators, and telling a million people to move overnight or they're going to get bombed anyway (and then bombing the places they've been moved to multiple times).

C'mon, man. You see the difference, right?

HHH_is_the_game posted...

I mean, I don't know what he meant by it, and "Zionism" can mean many things including that Israel has a right to exist.

That's because it's in your best interests to play dumb. "What could the kid saying 'Zionism is sexy' mean? Soooooooooooooo confusing!"

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

The idea that Jews need a homeland for self defense

That's like saying I need a tank for self-defense after I willingly air-dropped myself into the Australian Outback. They need a homeland for self-defense that just so happens to be pincered between every race and creed that despises them including one in their direct line of sight that they are now trying to steal land from. Maybe they didn't pick the best spot?

btw, your new pal's going to be banned soon. Take care not to join him.

HHH_is_the_game posted...

If you find that hilarious you need only look back in history

When exactly has "self-defense" constituted mass displacement, an array of war crimes, apartheid, settler colonialism and indiscriminate bombing campaigns in history?

ModernPost posted...

Zionism is a call for genocide. It's not a difficult concept to grasp, even you should be capable of understanding it.

No its not. Whats the quote about telling a lie over and over again? Eventually you will believe it?

A Zionist can have absolutely zero problem with a Palestinian National Homeland in Gaza and the West Bank. Hell, Id go so far as to argue that a Zionist could even argue for a one state solution where Israel has a god damn constitution (which it sorely needs btw) in which Palestinian and Israeli rights are protected. (Obviously the one state solution problem comes down to the name of the country - but you know what I mean.) Zionists called for the withdrawal from Gaza. And Im a Zionist, and I would be jumping through the moon with delight if tomorrow every one of those three hundred thousand settlers were given a reasonable sum of money to pack their bags and take a hike back into Israel and leave the West Bank alone.

None of those things are Genocide.

Do you know what is? Calling for the end of the state of Israel. You know, deliberately inflicting conditions on the group designed to bring about it physical destruction in whole or in part. The very thing that Israel is being accused of in Gaza (and at this point - using that terminology, its hard to argue for the record.) Im a Zionist and I oppose Israeli war crimes as well.

But October 7th was a day planned to bring about those conditions on Jews in Israel, and the subsequent calls for more days like that mean it was a genocidal event. Just our interpretation of what is going on. And the only argument against that accusation is well maybe if Israel. And thats why you have people like me shaking their fist at you trying to expose the blatant hypocrisy of the from the river to the see chant.

Heres the problem in a nutshell. Jews around the world arent hearing the calls for a ceasefire in a vacuum. Most rational people would be ok with that, even as our leaders dont, provided the hostage thing gets handled. They are hearing things like death to the Jews or jews are Nazis or zionism is nazism and all that crap. Its the demonization of us that has us all scared out of our minds, because we know what happened the last time we saw it.

So cut it out.

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

But October 7th was a day planned to bring about those conditions on Jews in Israel, and the subsequent calls for more days like that mean it was a genocidal event.

Hard no.

I think someone pointed out to you before, in one of the other topics, that 9/11 wasn't a genocidal event. October 7th wasn't one, either.

October 7th was a lot of grotesque, unforgivable things, but it was not a genocidal event.

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

Do you know what is? Calling for the end of the state of Israel.

I just want Israel to stop their unrelenting campaign of ethnic cleansing. As it stands with Israel's current policies, Zionism is a genocidal ideology that YOU are a party to.

ModernPost posted...

I just want Israel to stop their unrelenting campaign of ethnic cleansing. As it stands with Israel's current policies, Zionism is a genocidal ideology that YOU are a party to.

"I want Israel to stop commiting war crimes and atrocities"

"But that's unavoidable!"

"No, it really isn't"

"It is. If Israel don't commit war crimes and atrocities, they won't be able to exist"

"Maybe Israel shouldn't exist then"

"Antisemitism!

Basically how every conversation with Israel shills goes

IceCreamOnStero posted...

"I want Israel to stop commiting war crimes and atrocities"

"But that's unavoidable!"

"No, it really isn't"

"It is. If Israel don't commit war crimes and atrocities, they won't be able to exist"

"Maybe Israel shouldn't exist then"

"Antisemitism!

Basically how every conversation with Israel shills goes

God, it's been this ad nauseam for the last month.

Yikes

IceCreamOnStero posted...

"I want Israel to stop commiting war crimes and atrocities"

"But that's unavoidable!"

"No, it really isn't"

"It is. If Israel don't commit war crimes and atrocities, they won't be able to exist"

"Maybe Israel shouldn't exist then"

"Antisemitism!

Basically how every conversation with Israel shills goes

"We're scared because you keep saying we're the bad guys!"