Current Events > Has woke culture restricted your freedoms?

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electricbugs2 posted...

Yes, but only on CE.

IRL nobody actually cares what I say or do, but CE acts like saying rude words or being to the right of center even a little bit is a war crime.

You don't even have to be to the right of center. I'm center left, vote democrat and have been called maga, trumper etc on more than one occasion.

Smackems posted...

How does one tell the sex of their engine

I'm just going by the stereotype in media of all vehicles being 'she' and 'her'.

variasuite posted...

I'm just going by the stereotype in media of all vehicles being 'she' and 'her'.

Me too but how do they know

I can't go anywhere without being attacked by WOKE MORALISTS

StealThisSheen posted...

Where is "elsewhere?" Can you explain, please? And who has posted their moderations? I'd love to know, thanks!

Stating that is also moddable. Or was, it's hard to keep up with rules not listed in the ToU.

Smackems posted...

I still wanna know why he hates that engine so

Because it's woke.

It's like you aren't even paying attention.

Inohira posted...

Stating that is also moddable. Or was, it's hard to keep up with rules not listed in the ToU.

Seems like a personal problem. Maybe it'd be wise if you reflected on why you get modded so often. I have no problem whatsoever not getting modded.

runewalshPSiv posted...

You don't even have to be to the right of center. I'm center left, vote democrat and have been called maga, trumper etc on more than one occasion.

I'm Canadian and have spent most of my life voting for the fucking Green Party and people here constantly accuse me of being a Dump cultist lmao. It's amusing in a way, but also ridiculous.

joe40001 posted...

"If somebody votes for a different political candidate than I would, this does not make them a horrible asshole worthy of hatred and vitriol." IMO in 2010 that statement was uncontroversial. And IMO now is something I feel like many from many places would disagree with.

When the politicians vow to destroy my entire life, people who vote for them may deserve a bit of my ire.

joe40001 posted...

I try to sincerely share my perspective and opinion. I do so respectfully. You are and always were welcome to challenge that perspective. But IMO resorting to mockery and character attacks when you have no substantive challenges to my argument/perspective is at best childish and at worst needlessly cruel. I remember you HB, you are capable of civility and good faith discussions, I hope you return to that.

Your opinions have routinely been a personal insult to everything I value in life. Whether or not you believe that interpretation, surely you can understand how someone may feel attacked and insulted in that situation.

You confuse saying a lot of words with making a substantive argument based in evidence. Being good at debating and being right are not the same thing. A good debater can be wrong about everything. In fact, one doesn't even need to believe what they are saying to win a debate.

I am also on the spectrum and I believe that your co-workers see you as a nice guy, but I don't believe you are this wordy IRL, nor do I believe you are regularly going on long spiels of medical disinformation and crappy views towards LGBTQ people. I don't think you're telling a trans person IRL that they're too emotionally invested to have a rational debate on the subject, as I have witnessed on here.

What I think has changed for me since 2010 is that I have found meaning in life and in my work and that I know more about who I am and what I value. I don't stand for attacks to that and I don't care how much the generic you wraps it up in "difference of opinion" and "honest debate".

StealThisSheen posted...

Seems like a personal problem. Maybe it'd be wise if you reflected on why you get modded so often. I have no problem whatsoever not getting modded.

Inohira expressed that most of these moderations he was were not even his, he just is unable to speak about them.

Again, posts like this make it seem like your goal is to be intentionally rude to Inohira. If it is not your goal to do so I strongly suggest you rephrase how you communicate.

joe40001 posted...

Inohira expressed that most of these moderations he was were not even his, he just is unable to speak about them.

Again, posts like this make it seem like your goal is to be intentionally rude to Inohira. If it is not your goal to do so I strongly suggest you rephrase how you communicate.

Why do you keep defending that user, across multiple topics, but you won't answer questions posed to you? Can you explain, please?

You posted a topic asking other people to define "Woke," but you won't define it yourself, when asked. Please explain?

hockeybub89 posted...

When the politicians vow to destroy my entire life, people who vote for them may deserve a bit of my ire.

Your opinions have routinely been a personal insult to everything I value in life. Whether or not you believe that interpretation, surely you can understand how someone may feel attacked and insulted in that situation.

You confuse saying a lot of words with making a substantive argument based in evidence. Being good at debating and being right are not the same thing. A good debater can be wrong about everything. In fact, one doesn't even need to believe what they are saying to win a debate.

I am also on the spectrum and I believe that your co-workers see you as a nice guy, but I don't believe you are this wordy IRL, nor do I believe you are regularly going on long spiels of medical disinformation and crappy views towards LGBTQ people. I don't think you're telling a trans person IRL that they're too emotionally invested to have a rational debate on the subject, as I have witnessed on here.

What I think has changed for me since 2010 is that I have found meaning in life and in my work and that I know more about who I am and what I value. I don't stand for attacks to that and I don't care how much the generic you wraps it up in "difference of opinion" and "honest debate".

And I think our only major issue is that sometimes you misunderstand what I am saying as an attack on you or what you value, when it is not. I truly do not mean to attack you or anybody as a person in any way. I try to remain civil and polite and if it seems like I'm emotionally distressing somebody IRL or otherwise I will generally try to move away from the conversation, as conversations where others feel emotionally hurt or attacked are antithetical to my goals.

Anyway, despite your clear negative reaction to my opinions, I really appreciate and respect how you wrote this message. A lot of people on CE (some of which don't nearly disagree with me as strongly as you) would be incapable of writing in this kind of thoughtful and direct way. And I truly think it helps me better understand your perspective and inform my own future conduct much better than any insult or vitriol would have.

I know what's in my heart, and it isn't hateful, it isn't bad, it isn't dumb, it isn't cruel. But I'm a human person and so it's certainly possible my motives/goals fail to manifest in the appropriate opinions/arguments, and it's also possible that even if my ideas too are good I can communicate them in a flawed manner. I think more than likely most of our issues are indeed communication ones. Not just content but also communication style.

Regardless, I hope you understand that I do genuinely appreciate how you communicated here, and I do think it is worthy of respect.

StealThisSheen posted...

Why do you keep defending that user, across multiple topics, but you won't answer questions posed to you? Can you explain, please?

I did answer questions posed to me. You asked me how it what you said could be perceived as rude and I articulated it. Also I'm answering your questions right now.

You posted a topic asking other people to define "Woke," but you won't define it yourself, when asked. Please explain?

As the OP of that topic I did not want to bias the discussion in any way. If I opened with my definition then the topic might have gotten sidetracked into discussions about my definition rather than each of the posters offering their own definition, the latter being the goal of the topic.

joe40001 posted...

As the OP of that topic I did not want to bias the discussion in any way. If I opened with my definition then the topic might have gotten sidetracked into discussions about my definition rather than each of the posters offering their own definition, the latter being the goal of the topic.

So why won't you answer the question later in the topic, when asked? Why are you judging other people on their answers, but refusing to give your own?

LOL who are the 53 goofs in this poll?

Explain yourselves.

StealThisSheen posted...

So why won't you answer the question later in the topic, when asked? Why are you judging other people on their answers, but refusing to give your own?

I'm not judging them. IMO "Judging" suggests that I disapprove of them. I'm genuinely interested in them.

There's a good chance I'll share my definition in a little bit when the topic has otherwise slowed down. Like I said, the main goal was to allow an open topic where everybody else could share their perspective.

joe40001 posted...

I'm not judging them. IMO "Judging" suggests that I disapprove of them. I'm genuinely interested in them.

There's a good chance I'll share my definition in a little bit when the topic has otherwise slowed down. Like I said, the main goal was to allow an open topic where everybody else could share their perspective.

Share it now. What's stopping you? Why are you so hesitant? Please explain.

spikethedevil posted...

Reminder that joe numbers diversity of opinion often includes dangerous covid conspiracies.

His use of the term "echo chamber" is also very telling.

Any time someone starts talking about "echo chambers" and "lack or respect for diversity of opinions", usually you can whip out the "oh, you know the ones" meme.

It has ruined entertainment but can't say it has limited my freedoms in any way.

Not at all.

DrizztLink posted...

Because it's woke.

It's like you aren't even paying attention.

I hear it has a TRANSmission. See, mission! That proves theres an agenda.

I should really not have to add /s but people really are that stupid.

Crimsoness posted...

Is there any oppression greater than seeing a black Ariel?

I hope X-Men makes Rogue Black. Then Ariel, Catwoman, and Rogue -- my three (non-furry) childhood crushes will have all been played by Black women.

And I'm not saying that sarcastically. I think that would legitimately be cool.

<_<

DrizztLink posted...

Because it's woke.

It's like you aren't even paying attention.

But what makes it woke?!

Was it a lawnmower engine that transitioned to a car engine? Was it originally chrome now it's just silver? Did it kiss another engine?

WHY

it's just a dumb joke I apologize if this is offensive

No idea. Amongst the products i can think of that has "wokism" it either

A: Doesnt prevent me from enjoying it or

B: Isnt the issue i have with it, or

C: Not a product i woulda cared about either way.

Not directly but TV and games aren't as loose as they used to be because of woke culture. Now things have to hold back on content because they are afraid of offending someone.

McMarbles posted...

I hear it has a TRANSmission. See, mission! That proves theres an agenda.

I should really not have to add /s but people really are that stupid.

It's why Republicans never win an election with a man-date anymore.

variasuite posted...

It's why Republicans never win an election with a man-date anymore.

They need their own male-in voting system

The worst part about woke culture is how it made me have to hear every single annoying MAGAt bitch and moan about how they are being censored and oppressed.

If you are being censored and oppressed why am I still hearing your dumb shit?

No. People different from me existing in media has not infringed on anything.

honest about their opinion and have calm civil good faith disagreements

The problem with this is some "opinions" are impossible to present in a civil manner.

How does one present "I think blacks were better off as slaves," "Hitler was right about the Jews," "I think anti-sodomy laws were good," "Trans people should be legislated against" and more "civilly" or in hood faith?? Why should those "opinions" be permitted? And why should companies be barred from cutting people who espouse such "opinions?"

So now numbers is saying he may give his opinion later, but told me he was giving a more detailed and precise response that I couldn't understand. Bro just talks, then tells himself he's right because he's a genius. He needs some friends or group therapy. He needs people to check him to his face. We all need that form time to time. Everyone is ignorant when they stand alone.

A lot of the "opinions" that some folks complain they're "not allowed" to debate/defend are things that have already been decided on through history; the arguments have been presented, there were goings-on in regards to them, and that conversation is done. There comes a point where there's nothing more to be said; a point where the insistence that those subjects are entitled to endless discussion and those who hold those defeated viewpoints are still owed a seat at the table so they can have their ideas entertained should rightfully be dismissed, derided, and denied.

Crimsoness posted...

Is there any oppression greater than seeing a black Ariel?

That chick who played Ariel is a dime and I need her on my screen as often as possible.

xlr_big-coop posted...

It has ruined entertainment

It has?

Dark_Arbron posted...

It has?

Obviously. Now there's no escaping the fact people that are different from me exist. I've been trying to stick my head in the sand all this time, yet keep hurting my forehead on concrete.

joe40001 posted...

"If somebody votes for a different political candidate than I would, this does not make them a horrible asshole worthy of hatred and vitriol." IMO in 2010 that statement was uncontroversial. And IMO now is something I feel like many from many places would disagree with.

Ah, yes, the glory days of 2010 when people who supported Obama were definitely not judge as horrible assholes and worthy of hatred.

TheSavageDragon posted...

Obviously. Now there's no escaping the fact people that are different from me exist. I've been trying to stick my head in the sand all this time, yet keep hurting my forehead on concrete.

Id have preferred not knowing. >_>

DocileOrangeCup posted...

I can't go anywhere without being attacked by WOKE MORALISTS

Well, you are buddies with a TON of sus accounts, soooooooooooooooo

It's made it so occasionally a character is gay, or has two mothers (dads), or that there are more background minorities. Really media isn't that different over all.

Frankly I am as cut off from heterosexual relationships as I am same sex relationships so I see no difference between the two. Couples are couples.

The main things about today's movies have nothing to do with so called wokeness.

GeraldDarko posted...

So now numbers is saying he may give his opinion later, but told me he was giving a more detailed and precise response that I couldn't understand. Bro just talks, then tells himself he's right because he's a genius. He needs some friends or group therapy. He needs people to check him to his face. We all need that form time to time. Everyone is ignorant when they stand alone.

You seem to be confused. I was responding to StealThisSheen who requested I answer a question in a different topic, which I did not want to do at the time. In this topic, I responded to you, as I said I did. You seemed to take issue with the length of my response but I was honestly just trying to be precise and comprehensive.

I interact with many people IRL and do not have these kinds of communication issues. I'm guessing there are a few elements at play, one is this community and it's in-group/out-group dynamics, another is that conversations in forums that bounce around multiple people are more likely to be muddled, and finally I think a large part is the medium of text making it hard for us to clearly understand each other's moods, intents, and subtext of our communication.

Don't get me wrong, there are times IRL where I have communication issues, though there isn't hostility involved, just sometimes normal people thinking/talking in a normal people way that doesn't make intuitive sense to me.

loafy013 posted...

Ah, yes, the glory days of 2010 when people who supported Obama were definitely not judge as horrible assholes and worthy of hatred.

I mean... yeah.

Are you being sarcastic? Because it's true. Obama/McCain/Romney people could support any one of them and have relatively civil conversations with those who supported the other side.

joe40001 posted...

You seem to be confused. I was responding to StealThisSheen who requested I answer a question in a different topic, which I did not want to do at the time. In this topic, I responded to you, as I said I did. You seemed to take issue with the length of my response but I was honestly just trying to be precise and comprehensive.

Funny how you so frequently feel the need for people to clarify their point while everyone else understands. You're always in the minutae, and move further and further from the point. Somone would call that being obtuse. All the intellect in the world doesn't mean anything if you can't keep it real.

Well, I apologize for failing to "keep it real". My goal is direct and honest communication. It is not my goal to be obtuse, but to be precise to avoid confusion.

joe40001 posted...

Well, I apologize for failing to "keep it real". My goal is direct and honest communication. It is not my goal to be obtuse, but to be precise to avoid confusion.

Maybe you're different IRL, but you fail so very hard at that on CE. There's a reason you have a reputation. If you would just be real and reasonable, you'd be able to see this is a classic "I don't have a problem, it's everyone else that has the problem" scenario, because it's painfully obvious.

Inohira posted...

To be clear I'm not referring to forms of support that would be moddable under other clauses. Claiming the election was stolen and should be overturned, spreading COVID misinformation, generalizing races/nationalities, or generally promoting his baseless conspiracy theories and false claims could be modded under trolling/abusive behavior.

But I'm talking purely stuff on the level of "Trump's great, Biden sucks, think I might vote Republican and here's why!" still being modded because apparently the mods don't want you allowed to share certain political preferences.

That literally never happened

Euripides posted...

That literally never happened

Even if it did, nobody's freedoms were restricted. Get your post deleted or even banned, then call the ACLU. See how seriously they take you.

Euripides posted...

That literally never happened

Hah, other dude in that sballen topic the other day tried doing literally the exact same shit. If they weren't so ridiculous with their obvious made up bullshit maybe they would be taken a bit more serious.

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Strider102 posted...

Then what opinions of yours are being silenced. It's really quite easy to explain.

I would never personally say this, but to take one easy example, I think if someone said Donald Trump was a good President, or Joe Biden isn't one, or that the coverage around both candidates has been grotesquely hypocritical, then the person making that statement might be jeopardizing their standing here. Obviously, a substantial portion of the users here feel that partisan censorship around political discourse has been prevalent enough to be a problem, and I am very simply asking the question of where our former lead administrator stood on that type of thing, thats all

joe40001 posted...

Are you being sarcastic? Because it's true. Obama/McCain/Romney people could support any one of them and have relatively civil conversations with those who supported the other side.

You can directly thank Trump and Trump supporters for utterly wrecking that dynamic.

When GOP leaders and voters spit vitriol at at the other side, what the fuck do you think they are going to do in return?

joe40001 posted...

I mean... yeah.

Are you being sarcastic? Because it's true. Obama/McCain/Romney people could support any one of them and have relatively civil conversations with those who supported the other side.

what specifically do you think changed?

it hasnt