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IceCreamOnStero 10/21/23 10:43:24 AM #100:	FlyEaglesFly24 posted... Yeah, god forbid wed want our friends and family to be safe from fucking terrorists. Damn, what a stupid idea that is. If you wanted your friends and family safe you wouldn't defend the Israeli government at all. Colonial apartheid states only beget more violence, including on their own citizens. --- Dokkan ID: 2365415872 <cite>IceCreamOnStero posted [p:976780171] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>FlyEaglesFly24 posted... </cite><quote>Yeah, god forbid wed want our friends and family to be safe from fucking terrorists. Damn, what a stupid idea that is.</quote>If you wanted your friends and family safe you wouldn't defend the Israeli government at all. Colonial apartheid states only beget more violence, including on their own citizens. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GrandConjuraton 10/21/23 10:44:15 AM #101:	Solid_Sonic posted... The fact it's the holy land is immaterial to the unjust acts of man that claim dominion over it. I respect what you're saying but the Israeli leadership is absolutely deserving of criticism. Oh, I don't disagree with that last part. Israel absolutely does deserve criticism, but that doesn't change how I feel from a religious aspect. --- Heavy weight, one more stone... https://imgur.com/o21DN7r <cite>GrandConjuraton posted [p:976780183] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>Solid_Sonic posted... </cite><quote>The fact it's the holy land is immaterial to the unjust acts of man that claim dominion over it. I respect what you're saying but the Israeli leadership is absolutely deserving of criticism.</quote>Oh, I don't disagree with that last part. Israel absolutely does deserve criticism, but that doesn't change how I feel from a religious aspect. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 10/21/23 10:44:48 AM #102:	@FlyEaglesFly24 be like "I mean safe from the terrorists that would hurt us. They can terrorize people all day long as long as it doesn't hurt America." --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png he/him/they/them <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:976780190] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>@FlyEaglesFly24 be like "I mean safe from the terrorists that would hurt us. They can terrorize people all day long as long as it doesn't hurt America." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 10/21/23 10:45:21 AM #103:	I'm not I'm against the Israeli government --- See profile pic <cite>Irony posted [p:976780197] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>I'm not I'm against the Israeli government </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
punkfanalways 10/21/23 10:45:35 AM #104:	FortuneCookie posted... It's true until you get to extremism. The left doesn't have anything to compare to literal Nazism on the part of the right. But you absolutely have "I'm always right, you're always wrong" or "I want everything my way with no second opinions" types on both sides who have more in common with each other than they do with anyone closer to the middle. PolPot? <cite>punkfanalways posted [p:976780199] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>FortuneCookie posted... </cite><quote>It's true until you get to extremism. The left doesn't have anything to compare to literal Nazism on the part of the right. But you absolutely have "I'm always right, you're always wrong" or "I want everything my way with no second opinions" types on both sides who have more in common with each other than they do with anyone closer to the middle.</quote>PolPot?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ClayGuida 10/21/23 10:46:29 AM #105:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlemAfso3n0&ab_channel=CharlieRose Jimmy Carter explains it best. --- lolAmerica <cite>ClayGuida posted [p:976780216] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlemAfso3n0&ab_channel=CharlieRoseJimmy Carter explains it best. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FortuneCookie 10/21/23 10:47:40 AM #106:	hockeybub89 posted... Neither of those require extremism. That's what I said. It's true until you get to extremism. Once you get past the nagging "right way to do everything" phase, the right has white supremacists/fascists/Nazis, etc. and the left doesn't really have anything beyond the nagging phase. <cite>FortuneCookie posted [p:976780229] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite><quote>Neither of those require extremism.</quote>That's what I said. It's true until you get to extremism.Once you get past the nagging "right way to do everything" phase, the right has white supremacists/fascists/Nazis, etc. and the left doesn't really have anything beyond the nagging phase.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid_Sonic 10/21/23 10:48:14 AM #107:	GrandConjuraton posted... Oh, I don't disagree with that last part. Israel absolutely does deserve criticism, but that doesn't change how I feel from a religious aspect. The best way to look at it is "what it is vs. what they are". It is the holy land and birthplace of Jesus but what they are is a state run by oppressive segregationists. There's no reason it can't remain the former without the latter changing for the better (and honestly who would be opposed to that except Netanyahu sycophants it's not like things are good for average citizens in a situation like this on either side). --- Being proud of yourself is cringe, show some humility. <cite>Solid_Sonic posted [p:976780242] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>GrandConjuraton posted... </cite><quote>Oh, I don't disagree with that last part. Israel absolutely does deserve criticism, but that doesn't change how I feel from a religious aspect.</quote>The best way to look at it is "what it is vs. what they are". It is the holy land and birthplace of Jesus but what they are is a state run by oppressive segregationists. There's no reason it can't remain the former without the latter changing for the better (and honestly who would be opposed to that except Netanyahu sycophants it's not like things are good for average citizens in a situation like this on either side). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DragonClaw01 10/21/23 10:50:52 AM #108:	Solid_Sonic posted... Well I'm from Hong Kong so that'll never really be off my mind. Perhaps, but in the popular in consciousness it is part of China and always will be, the whole independent state thing was just a phase. The long term punishment for annexing territory seems to be non existent, at least when it comes to foreign perception of your country. --- <('.'<) <(^.^)> (>'.')> Splendiferous <cite>DragonClaw01 posted [p:976780276] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>Solid_Sonic posted... </cite><quote>Well I'm from Hong Kong so that'll never really be off my mind.</quote>Perhaps, but in the popular in consciousness it is part of China and always will be, the whole independent state thing was just a phase. The long term punishment for annexing territory seems to be non existent, at least when it comes to foreign perception of your country. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 10/21/23 11:00:02 AM #110:	Balnazarr posted... Israel has a right to exist. Israel does not have a right to expand its borders. This. --- "The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:976780376] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>Balnazarr posted... </cite><quote>Israel has a right to exist. Israel does not have a right to expand its borders.</quote>This. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gu-gohan 10/21/23 11:01:00 AM #111:	Dark_Arbron posted... The people shilling for Israel in this topic and others aren't capable of this sort of nuance. It's pretty much the stance I have. The problem is that some people here and elsewhere tend to express extreme opinions. Like for example, it's totally okay to pray for the well-being Palestinian civilians. But some (not all, some!) participants of some of the protests that we could see here in Europe evidentally wish Israel to extinct. These extremely expressed "opinions" aren't okay anymore. I find that worrying. --- Like: videogames, peaceful discussions, open-minded people Dislike: console wars, trolls, haters, review-bombing, bias <cite>gu-gohan posted [p:976780391] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>Dark_Arbron posted... </cite><quote>The people shilling for Israel in this topic and others aren't capable of this sort of nuance.</quote>It's pretty much the stance I have. The problem is that some people here and elsewhere tend to express extreme opinions. Like for example, it's totally okay to pray for the well-being Palestinian civilians. But some (not all, some!) participants of some of the protests that we could see here in Europe evidentally wish Israel to extinct. These extremely expressed "opinions" aren't okay anymore. I find that worrying. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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asdf8562 10/21/23 11:10:26 AM #112:	gu-gohan posted... It's pretty much the stance I have. The problem is that some people here and elsewhere tend to express extreme opinions. Like for example, it's totally okay to pray for the well-being Palestinian civilians. But some (not all, some!) participants of some of the protests that we could see here in Europe evidentally wish Israel to extinct. These extremely expressed "opinions" aren't okay anymore. I find that worrying. Part of that is because some of the pro Israel side wishes for Palestine to go extinct. While also not wanting to acknowledge the Israel government has powerful allies backing the movement to dominate Palestinians. The west officially seems to blindly support the Israel government, quick to point out extremists/autrocities in the Palestinian camp. However when it comes to the extremist/autrocities from the Israeli government it's controversial to even acknowledge. To even criticize the Israeli government people twist that into, "you must be pro Hamas/terrorists" or "you're antisemitic." Same to the official outpouring of care for civilians. Attacking civilians is bad regardless of what side does it. Yet when Israel attacks civilians its either not even acknowledged at all, or we get a list of reasons why it's different when they do it. In case the obvious needs to be stated, I dont support either sides extremists or autrocities. <cite>asdf8562 posted [p:976780506] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>gu-gohan posted... </cite><quote>It's pretty much the stance I have. The problem is that some people here and elsewhere tend to express extreme opinions. Like for example, it's totally okay to pray for the well-being Palestinian civilians. But some (not all, some!) participants of some of the protests that we could see here in Europe evidentally wish Israel to extinct. These extremely expressed "opinions" aren't okay anymore. I find that worrying.</quote>Part of that is because some of the pro Israel side wishes for Palestine to go extinct. While also not wanting to acknowledge the Israel government has powerful allies backing the movement to dominate Palestinians.The west officially seems to blindly support the Israel government, quick to point out extremists/autrocities in the Palestinian camp. However when it comes to the extremist/autrocities from the Israeli government it's controversial to even acknowledge. To even criticize the Israeli government people twist that into, "you must be pro Hamas/terrorists" or "you're antisemitic."Same to the official outpouring of care for civilians. Attacking civilians is bad regardless of what side does it. Yet when Israel attacks civilians its either not even acknowledged at all, or we get a list of reasons why it's different when they do it.In case the obvious needs to be stated, I dont support either sides extremists or autrocities.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FlyEaglesFly24 10/21/23 11:11:40 AM #113:	Solid_Sonic posted... The fact it's the holy land is immaterial to the unjust acts of man that claim dominion over it. I respect what you're saying but the Israeli leadership is absolutely deserving of criticism. Theres nothing wrong with being critical of Israels leadership. Most American Jews are to an extent. But what I have a problem with, a big problem by the way, is this idea that Israel and Israels government are the same. My support for Israel stems from wanting to keep my friends and family safe, and to protect the right for Jews to have self determination in a country of their own. That doesnt mean that I would vote for Bibi in any election, was I allowed to vote, and it doesnt mean that I support every measure taken by the Israeli government against the Palestinians. I am highly critical of the Israeli settlement program in the west bank, and can not stand the hypocrisy of the ultra orthodox who pretend that the rest of the world doesnt matter. But all of those discussions happen in Israel or in actual public discourse. Not here, because for some reason on this cess pool of a board, standing with Israel in anyway shape or form means you are pro genocide, and I will continue to hammer against that for as long as it takes. Its like you people forgot that prior to the withdrawal from Gaza in 2005, Israelis had to live in fear every day of getting on the wrong bus, going into the wrong the store, eating at the wrong restaurant - and some cowardly asshole would walk in with a bomb strapped to his chest. --- My resolution - the next time the Eagles are in the Superbowl, I'm going! February 10th, 2023 <cite>FlyEaglesFly24 posted [p:976780529] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>Solid_Sonic posted... </cite><quote>The fact it's the holy land is immaterial to the unjust acts of man that claim dominion over it. I respect what you're saying but the Israeli leadership is absolutely deserving of criticism.</quote>Theres nothing wrong with being critical of Israels leadership. Most American Jews are to an extent.But what I have a problem with, a big problem by the way, is this idea that Israel and Israels government are the same. My support for Israel stems from wanting to keep my friends and family safe, and to protect the right for Jews to have self determination in a country of their own. That doesnt mean that I would vote for Bibi in any election, was I allowed to vote, and it doesnt mean that I support every measure taken by the Israeli government against the Palestinians. I am highly critical of the Israeli settlement program in the west bank, and can not stand the hypocrisy of the ultra orthodox who pretend that the rest of the world doesnt matter.But all of those discussions happen in Israel or in actual public discourse. Not here, because for some reason on this cess pool of a board, standing with Israel in anyway shape or form means you are pro genocide, and I will continue to hammer against that for as long as it takes. Its like you people forgot that prior to the withdrawal from Gaza in 2005, Israelis had to live in fear every day of getting on the wrong bus, going into the wrong the store, eating at the wrong restaurant - and some cowardly asshole would walk in with a bomb strapped to his chest. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 10/21/23 11:12:58 AM #114:	FlyEaglesFly24 posted... But what I have a problem with, a big problem by the way, is this idea that Israel and Israels government are the same. Which people on this forum have been telling you this whole time. But you're not going to acknowledge that. Also, why is renouncing US citizenship "treason?" --- "The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:976780537] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>FlyEaglesFly24 posted... </cite><quote>But what I have a problem with, a big problem by the way, is this idea that Israel and Israels government are the same.</quote>Which people on this forum have been telling you this whole time.But you're not going to acknowledge that.Also, why is renouncing US citizenship "treason?" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
asdf8562 10/21/23 11:15:50 AM #115:	FlyEaglesFly24 posted... But what I have a problem with, a big problem by the way, is this idea that Israel and Israels government are the same. I see most people here if not everyone here including myself stating that the Jewish civilians living in Israel =/= Israeli government. <cite>asdf8562 posted [p:976780557] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>FlyEaglesFly24 posted... </cite><quote>But what I have a problem with, a big problem by the way, is this idea that Israel and Israels government are the same.</quote>I see most people here if not everyone here including myself stating that the Jewish civilians living in Israel =/= Israeli government.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ClayGuida 10/21/23 11:27:13 AM #116:	They aren't the same, however they are the people who are electing the Israeli government, so they do hold some blame for what the government does do. Just like Americans who elected GW hold the blame for what happened overseas after 9/11. --- lolAmerica <cite>ClayGuida posted [p:976780678] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>They aren't the same, however they are the people who are electing the Israeli government, so they do hold some blame for what the government does do. Just like Americans who elected GW hold the blame for what happened overseas after 9/11. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 10/21/23 11:45:45 AM #117:	ClayGuida posted... They aren't the same, however they are the people who are electing the Israeli government, so they do hold some blame for what the government does do. Just like Americans who elected GW hold the blame for what happened overseas after 9/11. And those who elected Trump hold the blame for the US becoming a joke from 2016-present. --- "The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:976780886] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>ClayGuida posted... </cite><quote>They aren't the same, however they are the people who are electing the Israeli government, so they do hold some blame for what the government does do. Just like Americans who elected GW hold the blame for what happened overseas after 9/11.</quote>And those who elected Trump hold the blame for the US becoming a joke from 2016-present. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
asdf8562 10/21/23 11:48:05 AM #118:	ClayGuida posted... They aren't the same, however they are the people who are electing the Israeli government, so they do hold some blame for what the government does do. Just like Americans who elected GW hold the blame for what happened overseas after 9/11. I don't quite agree with this. Admittedly I don't know how Israeli elections work and I'm too lazy to go look that up. But if it's anything like America, it's not entirely accurate that whoever wins the PotUS is an accurate representation who the American people want to be president. The 2016 and 2020 election should have put a grand spotlight on that if anyone wasn't aware. I mean we don't even have to get down to the nitty griddy of things. The PotUS can literally win without getting the popular vote through multiple very legal channels regarding the electoral college system. 2016 Trump lost the popular vote bit won the electoral vote. In 2020, Trump goons were a bunch of idiots on how they tried to game the electoral system, which I don't think people realize just how much could have been legally gamed. Much of our electoral system operates on precedents, not law, in some states for when the vote is cast. Not every state has faithless electoral laws. <cite>asdf8562 posted [p:976780927] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>ClayGuida posted... </cite><quote>They aren't the same, however they are the people who are electing the Israeli government, so they do hold some blame for what the government does do. Just like Americans who elected GW hold the blame for what happened overseas after 9/11.</quote>I don't quite agree with this.Admittedly I don't know how Israeli elections work and I'm too lazy to go look that up.But if it's anything like America, it's not entirely accurate that whoever wins the PotUS is an accurate representation who the American people want to be president. The 2016 and 2020 election should have put a grand spotlight on that if anyone wasn't aware.I mean we don't even have to get down to the nitty griddy of things. The PotUS can literally win without getting the popular vote through multiple very legal channels regarding the electoral college system.2016 Trump lost the popular vote bit won the electoral vote. In 2020, Trump goons were a bunch of idiots on how they tried to game the electoral system, which I don't think people realize just how much could have been legally gamed. Much of our electoral system operates on precedents, not law, in some states for when the vote is cast. Not every state has faithless electoral laws.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ClayGuida 10/21/23 11:50:22 AM #119:	asdf8562 posted... I don't quite agree with this. Admittedly I don't know how Israeli elections work and I'm too lazy to go look that up. But if it's anything like America, it's not entirely accurate that whoever wins the PotUS is an accurate representation who the American people want to be president. The 2016 and 2020 election should have put a grand spotlight on that if anyone wasn't aware. I mean we don't even have to get down to the nitty griddy of things. The PotUS can literally win without getting the popular vote through multiple very legal channels regarding the electoral college system. 2016 Trump lost the popular vote. 2020, Trump goons were a bunch of idiots on how they tried to game the electoral system, which I don't think people realize just how much could have been legally gamed. Much of our electoral system operates on precedents, not law, in some states. Netanyahu has been leader of Israel for 15 years now. People aren't voting against Likud. They're voting with them. He was also their leader from 1993-1999. So 21 out of 30 years has been under his leadership. --- lolAmerica <cite>ClayGuida posted [p:976780965] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>asdf8562 posted... </cite><quote>I don't quite agree with this.Admittedly I don't know how Israeli elections work and I'm too lazy to go look that up.But if it's anything like America, it's not entirely accurate that whoever wins the PotUS is an accurate representation who the American people want to be president. The 2016 and 2020 election should have put a grand spotlight on that if anyone wasn't aware.I mean we don't even have to get down to the nitty griddy of things. The PotUS can literally win without getting the popular vote through multiple very legal channels regarding the electoral college system.2016 Trump lost the popular vote. 2020, Trump goons were a bunch of idiots on how they tried to game the electoral system, which I don't think people realize just how much could have been legally gamed. Much of our electoral system operates on precedents, not law, in some states.</quote>Netanyahu has been leader of Israel for 15 years now. People aren't voting against Likud. They're voting with them. He was also their leader from 1993-1999. So 21 out of 30 years has been under his leadership. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 10/21/23 11:51:05 AM #120:	We're not against Israel. We're against Israel committing War Crimes. Just like we're not against America. We're against America committing war crimes. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:976780976] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>We're not against Israel. We're against Israel committing War Crimes. Just like we're not against America. We're against America committing war crimes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
asdf8562 10/21/23 11:56:39 AM #121:	ClayGuida posted... Netanyahu has been leader of Israel for 15 years now. People aren't voting against Likud. They're voting with them. He was also their leader from 1993-1999. So 21 out of 30 years has been under his leadership. My point still applies on that saying "a countries citizens holds blame on a countries actions" is highly dependent on how leaders are elected. Again, I admit I'm ignorant to Israel's election process. But if it's like America's, the PotUS is not necessarily a representation of what most Americans want. <cite>asdf8562 posted [p:976781065] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>ClayGuida posted... </cite><quote>Netanyahu has been leader of Israel for 15 years now. People aren't voting against Likud. They're voting with them. He was also their leader from 1993-1999. So 21 out of 30 years has been under his leadership.</quote>My point still applies on that saying "a countries citizens holds blame on a countries actions" is highly dependent on how leaders are elected.Again, I admit I'm ignorant to Israel's election process. But if it's like America's, the PotUS is not necessarily a representation of what most Americans want.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kimbos_Egg 10/21/23 12:00:47 PM #122:	because a large portion of them don't give a flying fuck about Palestine, and its just an excuse to be anti-semitic publically. --- You think you've Got problems? https://imgur.com/OnEOsdT <cite>Kimbos_Egg posted [p:976781130] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>because a large portion of them don't give a flying fuck about Palestine, and its just an excuse to be anti-semitic publically. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AnsestralRecall 10/21/23 12:02:32 PM #123:	Kimbos_Egg posted... because a large portion of them don't give a flying fuck about Palestine, and its just an excuse to be anti-semitic publically. Shut the fuck up with that goddamned clown shit <cite>AnsestralRecall posted [p:976781162] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>Kimbos_Egg posted... </cite><quote>because a large portion of them don't give a flying fuck about Palestine, and its just an excuse to be anti-semitic publically.</quote>Shut the fuck up with that goddamned clown shit </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
asdf8562 10/21/23 12:02:43 PM #124:	Kimbos_Egg posted... because a large portion of them don't give a flying fuck about Palestine, and its just an excuse to be anti-semitic publically. Exhibit A <cite>asdf8562 posted [p:976781165] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>Kimbos_Egg posted... </cite><quote>because a large portion of them don't give a flying fuck about Palestine, and its just an excuse to be anti-semitic publically.</quote>Exhibit A</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kimbos_Egg 10/21/23 12:05:30 PM #125:	AnsestralRecall posted... Shut the fuck up with that goddamned clown shit asdf8562 posted... Exhibit A So, do explain why so many people were reeing about "500 people dead in isreali air strike on a hospital!" soley on the word of a terrorist organisation? Because they're so trust worthy, or because they finally had an excuse? --- You think you've Got problems? https://imgur.com/OnEOsdT <cite>Kimbos_Egg posted [p:976781214] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>AnsestralRecall posted... </cite><quote>Shut the fuck up with that goddamned clown shit</quote>asdf8562 posted... </cite><quote>Exhibit A</quote>So, do explain why so many people were reeing about "500 people dead in isreali air strike on a hospital!" soley on the word of a terrorist organisation? Because they're so trust worthy, or because they finally had an excuse? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Goldice 10/21/23 12:06:57 PM #126:	It's not liberals persay, rather a lot of people 18-24: https://thehill.com/policy/international/4268117-americans-overwhelmingly-support-israel-in-war-with-hamas-poll/ --- New England Patriots: Super Bowl XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX, XLIX, LI, LIII Champions <cite>Goldice posted [p:976781235] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>It's not liberals persay, rather a lot of people 18-24: https://thehill.com/policy/international/4268117-americans-overwhelmingly-support-israel-in-war-with-hamas-poll/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
asdf8562 10/21/23 12:09:24 PM #127:	Kimbos_Egg posted... So, do explain why so many people were reeing about "500 people dead in isreali air strike on a hospital!" soley on the word of a terrorist organisation? Because they're so trust worthy, or because they finally had an excuse? Exhibit B. Read through this topic. Most here, I dare say everyones position here is not antisemitism. Not blindly supporting the Israeli government and blindly pretending they don't have extremist committing autrocities too =/= antisemitism. <cite>asdf8562 posted [p:976781268] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>Kimbos_Egg posted... </cite><quote>So, do explain why so many people were reeing about "500 people dead in isreali air strike on a hospital!" soley on the word of a terrorist organisation? Because they're so trust worthy, or because they finally had an excuse?</quote>Exhibit B.Read through this topic. Most here, I dare say everyones position here is not antisemitism. Not blindly supporting the Israeli government and blindly pretending they don't have extremist committing autrocities too =/= antisemitism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AnsestralRecall 10/21/23 12:10:58 PM #128:	Kimbos_Egg posted... So, do explain why so many people were reeing about "500 people dead in isreali air strike on a hospital!" soley on the word of a terrorist organisation? Because they're so trust worthy, or because they finally had an excuse? First - stop using ableist language. Second - Because it's entirely believable that Israel would have done it. They have been careless with civilian lives countless times. That and Israeli statements regarding it have not been consistent. <cite>AnsestralRecall posted [p:976781285] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>Kimbos_Egg posted... </cite><quote>So, do explain why so many people were reeing about "500 people dead in isreali air strike on a hospital!" soley on the word of a terrorist organisation? Because they're so trust worthy, or because they finally had an excuse?</quote>First - stop using ableist language.Second - Because it's entirely believable that Israel would have done it. They have been careless with civilian lives countless times. That and Israeli statements regarding it have not been consistent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kimbos_Egg 10/21/23 12:12:17 PM #129:	AnsestralRecall posted... First - stop using ableist language. Go to hell. --- You think you've Got problems? https://imgur.com/OnEOsdT <cite>Kimbos_Egg posted [p:976781293] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>AnsestralRecall posted... </cite><quote>First - stop using ableist language.</quote>Go to hell. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_shibe 10/21/23 12:13:52 PM #130:	hockeybub89 posted... Why does it surprise you that Greta is against the ongoing genocide of Palestinians? That's all she said and people are going off about how she's antisemitic and anyone who would ever agree with anything she says is a terrorist. Someone posted "Hamas doesn't" in response to her saying "I stand with Palestine" and it's like okay? She didn't say "Hamas" and Israel clearly doesn't stand with Palestinians either, so... what? Should no one stand with the civilians? I dont think I have ever seen her, or the people who celebrated the Hamas attack (such as the ones who added the picture of the paraglider or whatever you call the device Hamas used to arrive by air to shoot people) say something bad about Hamas or its enablers, though. --- So post. Much gamefaqs. Wow. <cite>The_shibe posted [p:976781318] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite><quote>Why does it surprise you that Greta is against the ongoing genocide of Palestinians? That's all she said and people are going off about how she's antisemitic and anyone who would ever agree with anything she says is a terrorist.Someone posted "Hamas doesn't" in response to her saying "I stand with Palestine" and it's like okay? She didn't say "Hamas" and Israel clearly doesn't stand with Palestinians either, so... what? Should no one stand with the civilians?</quote>I dont think I have ever seen her, or the people who celebrated the Hamas attack (such as the ones who added the picture of the paraglider or whatever you call the device Hamas used to arrive by air to shoot people) say something bad about Hamas or its enablers, though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 10/21/23 12:15:43 PM #131:	The_shibe posted... I dont think I have ever seen her, or the people who celebrated the Hamas attack (such as the ones who added the picture of the paraglider or whatever you call the device Hamas used to arrive by air to shoot people) say something bad about Hamas or its enablers, though. Pretty sus you didnt condemn Hamas in this post. --- Let's make biscuits! <cite>Funkydog posted [p:976781337] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>The_shibe posted... </cite><quote>I dont think I have ever seen her, or the people who celebrated the Hamas attack (such as the ones who added the picture of the paraglider or whatever you call the device Hamas used to arrive by air to shoot people) say something bad about Hamas or its enablers, though.</quote>Pretty sus you didnt condemn Hamas in this post. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FlyEaglesFly24 10/21/23 12:16:03 PM #132:	asdf8562 posted... I don't quite agree with this. Admittedly I don't know how Israeli elections work and I'm too lazy to go look that up. But if it's anything like America, it's not entirely accurate that whoever wins the PotUS is an accurate representation who the American people want to be president. The 2016 and 2020 election should have put a grand spotlight on that if anyone wasn't aware. I mean we don't even have to get down to the nitty griddy of things. The PotUS can literally win without getting the popular vote through multiple very legal channels regarding the electoral college system. 2016 Trump lost the popular vote bit won the electoral vote. In 2020, Trump goons were a bunch of idiots on how they tried to game the electoral system, which I don't think people realize just how much could have been legally gamed. Much of our electoral system operates on precedents, not law, in some states for when the vote is cast. Not every state has faithless electoral laws. Its not like America at all. Its more like a European Parliament where the leader of the government is the leader of the party who is most likely to form a coalition large enough to hold a majority of votes. There are 120 seats in the Knesset. In the 2022 election, Likud scored only 32 seats. So they formed a coalition with a bunch of far right religious parties to overpower the Yesh Atid party which got 24 seats. Politically, what happened in Israel is that the center right sold out to the ultra orthodox because of security reasons. Theres a massive split among Israeli seculars and Israeli religious, and unfortunately that coalition was able to come together by one vote. --- My resolution - the next time the Eagles are in the Superbowl, I'm going! February 10th, 2023 <cite>FlyEaglesFly24 posted [p:976781346] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>asdf8562 posted... </cite><quote>I don't quite agree with this.Admittedly I don't know how Israeli elections work and I'm too lazy to go look that up.But if it's anything like America, it's not entirely accurate that whoever wins the PotUS is an accurate representation who the American people want to be president. The 2016 and 2020 election should have put a grand spotlight on that if anyone wasn't aware.I mean we don't even have to get down to the nitty griddy of things. The PotUS can literally win without getting the popular vote through multiple very legal channels regarding the electoral college system.2016 Trump lost the popular vote bit won the electoral vote. In 2020, Trump goons were a bunch of idiots on how they tried to game the electoral system, which I don't think people realize just how much could have been legally gamed. Much of our electoral system operates on precedents, not law, in some states for when the vote is cast. Not every state has faithless electoral laws.</quote>Its not like America at all. Its more like a European Parliament where the leader of the government is the leader of the party who is most likely to form a coalition large enough to hold a majority of votes. There are 120 seats in the Knesset. In the 2022 election, Likud scored only 32 seats. So they formed a coalition with a bunch of far right religious parties to overpower the Yesh Atid party which got 24 seats.Politically, what happened in Israel is that the center right sold out to the ultra orthodox because of security reasons. Theres a massive split among Israeli seculars and Israeli religious, and unfortunately that coalition was able to come together by one vote. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZaruenKosai 10/21/23 12:17:52 PM #133:	Kimbos_Egg posted... Go to hell. I am already there, we are living in a hell on earth. FlyEaglesFly24 posted... But what I have a problem with, a big problem by the way, is this idea that Israel and Israels government are the same No one is suggesting that, when people say Israel, it should be common sense to assume they mean the Military and Netanyus Government. Maybe it is you who believes this and that is why you assume everyone else must believe that. Yes they might elect Netanyu, and there are many extremists, to the point it has become a problem in Israel, like USA has a major right wing corruption problem. That does not mean the entire population shares that belief. Just like how being a Palestinian does not automatically make someone a terrorist or terrorist supporter. FlyEaglesFly24 posted... But all of those discussions happen in Israel or in actual public discourse. Not here, because for some reason on this cess pool of a board, standing with Israel in anyway shape or form means you are pro genocide, and I will continue to hammer against that for as long as it takes. nope, standing with the actions of the IDF and netanyu means you are pro genocide.. there is nothing wrong with being pro-israel in a general sense, so long as you are not saying you are supporting their actions in Palestine. believing Israel has the right to bombard indiscriminately and kidnap and arrest palestinian children because hamas does it is not being pro israel imo.. that is being pro-facism. believing that israel should be allowed to slaughter an entire population in the name of righteousness is not pro democracy. I will call out the facist actions , just like when people called out Americas Pointless Wars in the middle east which achieved nothing but fulfilling the greed of our than leaders. though like I said, no one here is claiming to hate the Citizens of Israel , accusations are being thrown around blindly and ignorantly to discredit criticizm of the actions of IDF and Netanyu. It gets repetitive to keep saying IDF and Netanyu, so if I say Israel, just use your common sense and memory to remember I specifically mean the government and military, and not ordinary citizens. I support palestine civilians, caught in the crossfire of the bloody war for power. I support israel civilians that are against this war. I support israel citizens that dont know anything about politics and are just trying to live theirl ives. I do not support Hamas and their Evil Terrorist Actions, I do not support the IDF and Netanyu with the atrocities he has commited on the Palestinians. Both engaging in acts of pure evil. --- RTX 3080 - i9 10850k - LFII 360mm - Enthoo 719/Luxe 2 + 7 140mm ARGB Fans - Z490P - 850w + Plat - 120 Inch Epson 5050UB + QN90NB + Q90R <cite>ZaruenKosai posted [p:976781377] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>Kimbos_Egg posted... </cite><quote>Go to hell.</quote>I am already there, we are living in a hell on earth. FlyEaglesFly24 posted... </cite><quote>But what I have a problem with, a big problem by the way, is this idea that Israel and Israels government are the same</quote>No one is suggesting that, when people say Israel, it should be common sense to assume they mean the Military and Netanyus Government. Maybe it is you who believes this and that is why you assume everyone else must believe that.Yes they might elect Netanyu, and there are many extremists, to the point it has become a problem in Israel, like USA has a major right wing corruption problem. That does not mean the entire population shares that belief.Just like how being a Palestinian does not automatically make someone a terrorist or terrorist supporter.FlyEaglesFly24 posted... </cite><quote>But all of those discussions happen in Israel or in actual public discourse. Not here, because for some reason on this cess pool of a board, standing with Israel in anyway shape or form means you are pro genocide, and I will continue to hammer against that for as long as it takes.</quote>nope, standing with the actions of the IDF and netanyu means you are pro genocide..there is nothing wrong with being pro-israel in a general sense, so long as you are not saying you are supporting their actions in Palestine.believing Israel has the right to bombard indiscriminately and kidnap and arrest palestinian children because hamas does it is not being pro israel imo.. that is being pro-facism.believing that israel should be allowed to slaughter an entire population in the name of righteousness is not pro democracy. I will call out the facist actions , just like when people called out Americas Pointless Wars in the middle east which achieved nothing but fulfilling the greed of our than leaders.though like I said, no one here is claiming to hate the Citizens of Israel , accusations are being thrown around blindly and ignorantly to discredit criticizm of the actions of IDF and Netanyu. It gets repetitive to keep saying IDF and Netanyu, so if I say Israel, just use your common sense and memory to remember I specifically mean the government and military, and not ordinary citizens.I support palestine civilians, caught in the crossfire of the bloody war for power.I support israel civilians that are against this war.I support israel citizens that dont know anything about politics and are just trying to live theirl ives.I do not support Hamas and their Evil Terrorist Actions, I do not support the IDF and Netanyu with the atrocities he has commited on the Palestinians.Both engaging in acts of pure evil. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_shibe 10/21/23 12:18:56 PM #134:	Funkydog posted... Pretty sus you didnt condemn Hamas in this post. its no secret I see this issue with nuance: there is no good guy. Both parties to this conflict have done horrible things, and they have been egging each other since before we were born. --- So post. Much gamefaqs. Wow. <cite>The_shibe posted [p:976781394] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>Funkydog posted... </cite><quote>Pretty sus you didnt condemn Hamas in this post.</quote>its no secret I see this issue with nuance: there is no good guy. Both parties to this conflict have done horrible things, and they have been egging each other since before we were born. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AnsestralRecall 10/21/23 12:19:43 PM #135:	Kimbos_Egg posted... Go to hell. It's used to mock autistic people. Stop. It's fucking refered to as "autistic screech" and your refusal to own up to using the term means clearly you hate ASD people. <cite>AnsestralRecall posted [p:976781408] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>Kimbos_Egg posted... </cite><quote>Go to hell.</quote>It's used to mock autistic people. Stop. It's fucking refered to as "autistic screech" and your refusal to own up to using the term means clearly you hate ASD people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ClayGuida 10/21/23 12:19:45 PM #136:	The_shibe posted... I dont think I have ever seen her, or the people who celebrated the Hamas attack (such as the ones who added the picture of the paraglider or whatever you call the device Hamas used to arrive by air to shoot people) say something bad about Hamas or its enablers, though. lol what the fuck is this? --- lolAmerica <cite>ClayGuida posted [p:976781409] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>The_shibe posted... </cite><quote>I dont think I have ever seen her, or the people who celebrated the Hamas attack (such as the ones who added the picture of the paraglider or whatever you call the device Hamas used to arrive by air to shoot people) say something bad about Hamas or its enablers, though.</quote>lol what the fuck is this? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_shibe 10/21/23 12:20:41 PM #137:	ClayGuida posted... lol what the fuck is this? she only criticizes Israel, right? --- So post. Much gamefaqs. Wow. <cite>The_shibe posted [p:976781423] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>ClayGuida posted... </cite><quote>lol what the fuck is this?</quote>she only criticizes Israel, right? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AnsestralRecall 10/21/23 12:21:54 PM #138:	Or wait...hmmm....did I infer something about you because I don't like your stance on something? Hmmmmmm....... It's also like you might not hate autistic people and the vast majority of people eople who are critical of Israel's human rights violations are not anti-Semitic. <cite>AnsestralRecall posted [p:976781436] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>Or wait...hmmm....did I infer something about you because I don't like your stance on something? Hmmmmmm.......It's also like you might not hate autistic people and the vast majority of people eople who are critical of Israel's human rights violations are not anti-Semitic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ClayGuida 10/21/23 12:23:15 PM #139:	The_shibe posted... she only criticizes Israel, right? So you have no clue who she is. Yet you're commenting on her. This is what's wrong with the world right now. Morons talk about shit they have literally no clue about. --- lolAmerica <cite>ClayGuida posted [p:976781460] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>The_shibe posted... </cite><quote>she only criticizes Israel, right?</quote>So you have no clue who she is. Yet you're commenting on her. This is what's wrong with the world right now. Morons talk about shit they have literally no clue about. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MistyKnight 10/21/23 12:29:43 PM #140:	How come conservatives are against hamas? Hamas encompasses every ideal conservatives espouse. --- friend find, look behind <cite>MistyKnight posted [p:976781544] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>How come conservatives are against hamas?Hamas encompasses every ideal conservatives espouse. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FlyEaglesFly24 10/21/23 12:30:38 PM #141:	MistyKnight posted... How come conservatives are against hamas? Hamas encompasses every ideal conservatives espouse. Except terrorism. Dont do that. --- My resolution - the next time the Eagles are in the Superbowl, I'm going! February 10th, 2023 <cite>FlyEaglesFly24 posted [p:976781559] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>MistyKnight posted... </cite><quote>How come conservatives are against hamas?Hamas encompasses every ideal conservatives espouse.</quote>Except terrorism. Dont do that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gwynevere 10/21/23 12:32:17 PM #142:	IdiotMachine posted... 141 posts in and no one said it Username checks out --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream [She/they] <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:976781581] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>IdiotMachine posted... </cite><quote></quote>141 posts in and no one said itUsername checks out </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MistyKnight 10/21/23 12:33:41 PM #143:	FlyEaglesFly24 posted... Except terrorism. Dont do that. Jan 6th. Bomb threats to children's hospitals. Death threats against members of their own party. Revealing names and info of jurists and court staff for targeted attacks. --- friend find, look behind <cite>MistyKnight posted [p:976781602] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>FlyEaglesFly24 posted... </cite><quote>Except terrorism. Dont do that.</quote>Jan 6th. Bomb threats to children's hospitals.Death threats against members of their own party.Revealing names and info of jurists and court staff for targeted attacks. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AnsestralRecall 10/21/23 12:34:51 PM #144:	FlyEaglesFly24 posted... Except terrorism. Dont do that. Right wingers are very fond of domestic terrorism though....hmmm...wonder what the most common difference is.... <cite>AnsestralRecall posted [p:976781614] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>FlyEaglesFly24 posted... </cite><quote>Except terrorism. Dont do that.</quote>Right wingers are very fond of domestic terrorism though....hmmm...wonder what the most common difference is....</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chicken 10/21/23 12:35:42 PM #145:	MistyKnight posted... Jan 6th. Bomb threats to children's hospitals. Death threats against members of their own party. Revealing names and info of jurists and court staff for targeted attacks. not to mention they're all foaming at the mouth waiting for trump to incite another riot --- May contain bones https://youtu.be/jGbI0P4hh3o <cite>Chicken posted [p:976781626] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>MistyKnight posted... </cite><quote>Jan 6th. Bomb threats to children's hospitals.Death threats against members of their own party.Revealing names and info of jurists and court staff for targeted attacks.</quote>not to mention they're all foaming at the mouth waiting for trump to incite another riot </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 10/21/23 12:36:37 PM #146:	The_shibe posted... its no secret I see this issue with nuance: there is no good guy. Both parties to this conflict have done horrible things, and they have been egging each other since before we were born. Wow. Still not simply condemning Hamas. Guess we have to conclude the obvious! --- Let's make biscuits! <cite>Funkydog posted [p:976781641] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>The_shibe posted... </cite><quote>its no secret I see this issue with nuance: there is no good guy. Both parties to this conflict have done horrible things, and they have been egging each other since before we were born.</quote>Wow. Still not simply condemning Hamas. Guess we have to conclude the obvious! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FlyEaglesFly24 10/21/23 12:39:56 PM #147:	MistyKnight posted... Jan 6th. Bomb threats to children's hospitals. Death threats against members of their own party. Revealing names and info of jurists and court staff for targeted attacks. What is it about people on this board and thinking extremism is the only belief system in the side of the political debate they disagree with? --- My resolution - the next time the Eagles are in the Superbowl, I'm going! February 10th, 2023 <cite>FlyEaglesFly24 posted [p:976781690] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>MistyKnight posted... </cite><quote>Jan 6th. Bomb threats to children's hospitals.Death threats against members of their own party.Revealing names and info of jurists and court staff for targeted attacks.</quote>What is it about people on this board and thinking extremism is the only belief system in the side of the political debate they disagree with? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AnsestralRecall 10/21/23 12:42:02 PM #148:	FlyEaglesFly24 posted... What is it about people on this board and thinking extremism is the only belief system in the side of the political debate they disagree with? It's not extremism anymore. <cite>AnsestralRecall posted [p:976781713] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>FlyEaglesFly24 posted... </cite><quote>What is it about people on this board and thinking extremism is the only belief system in the side of the political debate they disagree with?</quote>It's not extremism anymore. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chicken 10/21/23 12:42:26 PM #149:	FlyEaglesFly24 posted... What is it about people on this board and thinking extremism is the only belief system in the side of the political debate they disagree with? MAGA extremists control the republican party now. Anyone not willfully ignorant can see that, regardless of their own personal political beliefs. --- May contain bones https://youtu.be/jGbI0P4hh3o <cite>Chicken posted [p:976781720] in How come l... [t:80599151]...</cite> <quote>FlyEaglesFly24 posted... </cite><quote>What is it about people on this board and thinking extremism is the only belief system in the side of the political debate they disagree with?</quote>MAGA extremists control the republican party now. Anyone not willfully ignorant can see that, regardless of their own personal political beliefs. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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