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CableZL
09/27/23 10:32:59 AM
#101:


https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1707039786110701922

I'm kinda confused here. Trump's lawyer Chris Kise knows it's a bench trial, but he's talking about a risk of confusing the jury. Is he saying the judge would get confused?

Edit: Maybe he means "there's no risk of confusing the jury" because there won't be one.

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mystic_belmont
09/27/23 10:33:12 AM
#102:


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They must have nothing if they don't even want to try.

Trump's lawyers kept trying the same thing, and got hit with sanctions. If they had something, they would have used it by now.

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Tyranthraxus
09/27/23 11:07:28 AM
#103:


They're fighting the battle in court of public opinion. They know the paperwork proves he lied about everything. It's literally not a winnable fight. They just need to convince people that he's being unfairly targeted and his lies were actually done to make himself look more humble.

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Heineken14
09/27/23 11:19:18 AM
#104:


https://imgur.com/Fd2I9jU.png

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Tyranthraxus
09/27/23 11:28:01 AM
#105:


Heineken14 posted...
https://imgur.com/Fd2I9jU.png

Wait is this a real thing I thought it was just a Photoshop but I'm seeing different perspectives now

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Heineken14
09/27/23 11:28:37 AM
#106:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Wait is this a real thing I thought it was just a Photoshop but I'm seeing different perspectives now


I mean, you can photoshop many different pictures. lol

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ThePieReborn
09/27/23 11:45:42 AM
#107:


Starks posted...
Summary judgments are explicitly appealable. They must have nothing if they don't even want to try.

Looking forward to receivership.
New York is weird with their appeals. In all the Midwest states I practice in, a partial summary judgment is not an appealable final order. Based on the fact that NY allows appeals from the denial of a motion to dismiss/motion for summary judgment, I would assume that even partial summary judgment is appealable.

Y'alls is weird.

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toreysback
09/27/23 11:58:22 AM
#108:


ya, in federal court and in the states where i practice, you only have an appeal by right for a final order...which is usually defined as the order which disposes of the final party and/or claim remaining in the case.

you can seek leave to appeal, but it is by no means guaranteed. so i guess it's different in ny

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King_Rial
09/27/23 12:07:30 PM
#109:


Delicious.

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Error1355
09/27/23 12:36:49 PM
#110:


Tyranthraxus posted...
They're fighting the battle in court of public opinion.
Which is funny since that's not gonna un-fuck his companies.

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TomClark
09/27/23 12:58:29 PM
#111:


CableZL posted...
... They aren't contesting the dissolution order at all?

Probably thinking that when the receivers come in they can put their legal fees down as a debt that must be paid from the company at least in part before dissolution, so they have more chance of actually getting paid this way than just trusting Donnie to pay them.

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Tanthalas
09/27/23 1:06:27 PM
#112:


TomClark posted...
Probably thinking that when the receivers come in they can put their legal fees down as a debt that must be paid from the company at least in part before dissolution, so they have more chance of actually getting paid this way than just trusting Donnie to pay them.
This would be hilarious.

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Takuya_Lee
09/27/23 1:06:33 PM
#113:


TomClark posted...
Probably thinking that when the receivers come in they can put their legal fees down as a debt that must be paid from the company at least in part before dissolution, so they have more chance of actually getting paid this way than just trusting Donnie to pay them.

That's pretty smart.
....wait, 45s lawyers are doing something smart?

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Tyranthraxus
09/27/23 1:12:10 PM
#114:


Takuya_Lee posted...
That's pretty smart.
....wait, 45s lawyers are doing something smart?

That wouldn't work. Secured lenders get first dibs and there won't be enough to cover their outstanding money owed.

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CableZL
09/27/23 1:17:57 PM
#115:


https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/342845-trump-warns-mueller-against-investigating-his-familys-finances-beyond/

Remember when Trump warned Mueller against investigating his family's finances?

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Block_that_Kick
09/27/23 1:31:36 PM
#116:


Your daily reminder, that any of us would be in jail if we were to post something like this.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/2/7/AADYzzAAE4Kj.jpg

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Takuya_Lee
09/27/23 1:38:36 PM
#117:


Tyranthraxus posted...
That wouldn't work. Secured lenders get first dibs and there won't be enough to cover their outstanding money owed.

I never said it would work. I was just saying it was pretty smart.

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Bandit_Keith
09/27/23 1:42:13 PM
#118:


Takuya_Lee posted...
I never said it would work. I was just saying it was pretty smart.
It's like...the opposite of smart. Your client loses, you look like a fool, and you still don't get paid. The only way to get paid from Don is to demand it upfront.

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UltimateWing
09/27/23 1:55:45 PM
#119:


I just love seeing Trump cry bitter tears with every posts. His deceased dad, Fred Trump, must be real disappointed with Donny ruining his legacy and family business.

Also, more Eric whining.

https://www.twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1707091241718976740

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dummy420
09/27/23 2:32:01 PM
#120:


UltimateWing posted...
I just love seeing Trump cry bitter tears with every posts. His deceased dad, Fred Trump, must be real disappointed with Donny ruining his legacy and family business.

Also, more Eric whining.

https://www.twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1707091241718976740
Eric whining feels like an attempt to be like daddy so daddy will love him. It turns out he can't even do that right.

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Serious_Cat
09/27/23 7:06:04 PM
#121:


Block_that_Kick posted...
Your daily reminder, that any of us would be in jail if we were to post something like this.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/2/7/AADYzzAAE4Kj.jpg

On one hand, consensus seems to be that the assessed value on Mar-a-Lago really is too low and would probably have a $300 millionish market value. On the other, Trump is still more than doubling that value.

It's also telling that Mar-a-Lago seems to be the only property they're latching onto and not, for example, the New York property appraised at $56 million when taking planned development into consideration that Trump inflated by over $200 million. Or the 10,000 square foot apartment that Trump claimed was nearly triple that.

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mystic_belmont
09/27/23 7:17:19 PM
#122:


Would be nice if we get Mara-Lago as some sort of winter White House or whatever, especially given all the money we put into it.

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divot1338
09/27/23 7:24:33 PM
#123:


mystic_belmont posted...
Would be nice if we get Mara-Lago as some sort of winter White House or whatever, especially given all the money we put into it.
Turn it into a penal colony for Trump and his entire White House and campaign team.

Burn all of it to the ground and turn the golf course into soccer fields for underprivileged kids that fet bussed in from the inner city.

And Trump has to work a custodial job.

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CableZL
09/28/23 12:30:30 PM
#124:


https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1707410102397902879

NY AG Letitia James has released her witness list. Interesting that Ivanka Trump is a witness for the state.

Edit: Nevermind, she's calling all of the relevant Trumps as witnesses. I wonder how many times they'll plead the 5th.

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GranAures
09/28/23 12:35:27 PM
#125:


CableZL posted...
I wonder how many times they'll plead the 5th.
Take a shot of water each time and get super hydrated.

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Takuya_Lee
09/28/23 12:44:30 PM
#126:


GranAures posted...
Take a shot of water each time and get super hydrated

Um water poisoning is an actual thing...

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mystic_belmont
09/28/23 12:56:25 PM
#127:


Takuya_Lee posted...
Um water poisoning is an actual thing...

My kidneys will tell me when to hydrate.

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CableZL
09/28/23 6:27:50 PM
#128:


https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1707474211998953792

The October 2nd, 2023 civil trial is a GO! Woo woo. The judge previously said, sternly, that this trial was not going to move from the October 2nd date at all, and it looks like he was right.

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mystic_belmont
09/28/23 7:53:49 PM
#129:


Monday, Monday, Monday!

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Serious_Cat
09/29/23 12:13:04 AM
#130:


CableZL posted...
Edit: Nevermind, she's calling all of the relevant Trumps as witnesses. I wonder how many times they'll plead the 5th.

That's interesting in a civil case where the jury (or judge in this case) is allowed to make inferences based on the refusal to answer specific questions but giving those answers could go on be used as evidence in a criminal trial.

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jefffan
09/29/23 12:30:26 AM
#131:


Trump is going to coup a plea imo before it begins. Or at least try to.

Hell do anything to lower that potential fine. No way he has access to $250 million unless he sells all this properties plus steal from this campaign.


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Serious_Cat
09/29/23 1:04:31 AM
#132:


jefffan posted...
Trump is going to coup a plea imo before it begins. Or at least try to.
It's a civil case. He could reach a settlement, but there are no pleas in a civil case.

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TomClark
09/29/23 1:55:37 AM
#133:


jefffan posted...
No way he has access to $250 million unless he sells all this properties plus steal from this campaign.

Is there any doubt at all that campaign money is going towards this?

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JadeBaby
09/29/23 2:04:50 AM
#134:


Damn. Is there a time when is Trumpn is NOT trouble?

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tremain07
09/29/23 5:22:10 AM
#135:


Damn, by the time this is all said and done the only trump with money will probably be his daughter whose doing her best to sever all ties with him and leave her father and brothers holding the bag. Considering the fact that her hubby is going to be investigated for his deals with the saudis as well she may even end up turning on him to save her own ass.

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Humble_Novice
09/29/23 5:25:09 AM
#136:


CableZL posted...
https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1707474211998953792

The October 2nd, 2023 civil trial is a GO! Woo woo. The judge previously said, sternly, that this trial was not going to move from the October 2nd date at all, and it looks like he was right.
Oooh, that's the day before the next patch for FFXIV comes.

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alphapipi
09/29/23 8:44:23 AM
#137:


tremain07 posted...
Damn, by the time this is all said and done the only trump with money will probably be his daughter whose doing her best to sever all ties with him and leave her father and brothers holding the bag. Considering the fact that her hubby is going to be investigated for his deals with the saudis as well she may even end up turning on him to save her own ass.
Mary Trump as well.

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Irony
09/29/23 9:03:13 AM
#138:


Humble_Novice posted...
Oooh, that's the day before the next patch for FFXIV comes.
Damn I got like 3 days to get like 400 tomes

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