Current Events > Progress not carrying over from Remake to Rebirth is really stupid

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I defended the game being in multiple parts but this is indefensible. Just a really poor choice.

SwayM posted...

I defended the game being in multiple parts but this is indefensible. Just a really poor choice.

Based.

darkphoenix181 posted...

Based.

Not....really, no.

darkphoenix181 posted...

So you would agree that he is correct and not "You are delusional, lol." ?

I wonder if the simping came about because of how much backlash XIII got and those wanting to defend it had to cross a mental line of no return.

No, the implication there was that I was jokingly pretending you were calling yourself delusional. Silly.

Zonbei posted...

No, the implication there was that I was jokingly pretending you were calling yourself delusional. Silly.

So I am not delusional or he is not wrong?

MobileProphet posted...

I stopped reading at whatever post where Marth claimed to be a video game developer and said it would be easy to carry progress over. They must love the smell of their own farts so much. The delusion was wild there lol.

Seeing this topic almost reach 500 with a few people arguing the progress should be carried over is pretty sad considering its a dumb topic to begin with.

Coding isn't hard as long as you pay attention and make no mistakes when typing the code. The only pain in the ass is testing the code, which you can do in batches rather than all at once.

For example, and keep in mind its been about 6 months since I've done any major programming, so I'm going to get the code wrong:

IF (Value) = X
THEN PRINT = "Loading Save Data"
json.dump (FF7.exe, FF7R.exe)

Or alternately

IF (Value) = 1
THEN = "turn on value in second game"
ELSE
DO NOTHING

AKA basic binary. The reason its a pain in the ass is that you have to write values for all statistical data. So, Strength, Defense, Intelligence, etc, not to mention a check for each side quest. That's the only problem with it. When you have multiple people working on the code, that few million lines of code can be finished in a couple months, and then stacked into one program.

darkphoenix181 posted...

So I am not delusional or he is not wrong?

At this point Im just thinking youre illiterate.

Ivany2008 posted...

Coding isn't hard as long as you pay attention and make no mistakes when typing the code. The only pain in the ass is testing the code, which you can do in batches rather than all at once.

For example, and keep in mind its been about 6 months since I've done any major programming, so I'm going to get the code wrong:

IF (Value) = X
THEN PRINT = "Loading Save Data"
json.dump (FF7.exe, FF7R.exe)

Or alternately

IF (Value) = 1
THEN = "turn on value in second game"
ELSE
DO NOTHING

AKA basic binary. The reason its a pain in the ass is that you have to write values for all statistical data. So, Strength, Defense, Intelligence, etc, not to mention a check for each side quest. That's the only problem with it. When you have multiple people working on the code, that few million lines of code can be finished in a couple months, and then stacked into one program.

do you actually think the actual code writing is hard was the issue? What is this lol

I'm not sure what's sadder; SE making a mangled mess out of FF7 remake, or somehow getting people to shill "actually it's not a multi part remake, it's a set of full games and sequels" marketing nonsense

Gwynevere posted...

I'm not sure what's sadder; SE making a mangled mess out of FF7 remake, or somehow getting people to shill "actually it's not a multi part remake, it's a set of full games and sequels" marketing nonsense

The latter is.

Gwynevere posted...

I'm not sure what's sadder; SE making a mangled mess out of FF7 remake, or somehow getting people to shill "actually it's not a multi part remake, it's a set of full games and sequels" marketing nonsense

Its less shilling and more having the ability to observe reality. Something you may want to practice.

MarcoRubio posted...

None of those games have full level and inventory carry over, just some little plot decisions.

Which maybe you've never played FFVII, or those games you listed as you clearly have no clue what you're talking about, but there are no choices to make in that game for plot.

All of the .hack games do? Why do you think people keep mentioning it, because there was full carry over at a nearly 1:1 parity. Once again this whole topic has been you, Zonbei, & two or three others arguing & bullshitting about by putting words in people's mouths. I don't think there's been anyone that said they wanted everything to carry over.

But for an entire game to literally not carry over even a small amount of gil, some materia, your quest progress, weapon actions learned, or even monster skills that we know of at this point in time is plain indefensible. This shit was being done by Namco Bandai a decade ago & SE can't do it now because they're on a downward trend as a company & the laziness has set in.

The fact your reading comprehension blew out like a tire on the highway so you could assume I meant 1:1 carryover is the real peak irony for you to then say I have no clue what I'm talking about. Maybe next time when you quote a post, you don't reach deep inside your ass for something no one said next time & keep it to what was actually written on the page.

Zonbei posted...

Its less shilling and more having the ability to observe reality. Something you may want to practice.

This

darkphoenix181 posted...

So you would agree that he is correct and not "You are delusional, lol." ?

I wonder if the simping came about because of how much backlash XIII got and those wanting to defend it had to cross a mental line of no return.

i was one of the people defending XIII on gfaqs back when it came out (my messages are probably still on that board somewhere). i opened my eyes and accepted the truth. theres no excuse.

Zonbei posted...

do you actually think the actual code writing is hard was the issue? What is this lol

its basic code that a novice can write. If your having trouble reading it, then I can refer you to a sesame street level game that would be more your level. Sorry, that was mean, I'm gearing up for a business meeting in 20, so I'm a bit on edge.

This topic isn't even a day old, how the hell is this almost at 500???

dave_is_slick posted...

This topic isn't even a day old, how the hell is this almost at 500???

People need to continue to justify bitching about the remake not being what they want

Baha05 posted...

People need to continue to justify bitching about the remake not being what they want

Your buddy Zonbei is about 3/5ths of the posts mate, he's the reason this has that many

Imagine defending a big corporation for making decisions to take more of your money.

To top it off bonus points if you live paycheck to paycheck while defending!!!!

dave_is_slick posted...

This topic isn't even a day old, how the hell is this almost at 500???

People with no standards cant accept that others have them.

WingsOfGood posted...

Imagine defending a big corporation for making decisions to take more of your money.

What? How would they change the money they're taking based on import progress ability?

Ivany2008 posted...

its basic code that a novice can write. If your having trouble reading it, then I can refer you to a sesame street level game that would be more your level. Sorry, that was mean, I'm gearing up for a business meeting in 20, so I'm a bit on edge.

This.. doesnt address what I said at all. Youre correct. It is basic code. It was also wildly irrelevant.

Yeah, I'm seeing what they're doing here. It's no longer an actual remake, it's just a new trilogy. Events are mixed around, brand new things are occurring like an alternate timeline with a completely new story, there's likely gonna be an entirely new ending, etc.

This brings up a different can of worms of course, but it seems to me like it's a trilogy. They're doing stuff like this because they know it being a straight retelling of the original story isn't going to keep people interested from part to part. They have to keep the mystery and add new things. If explaining what they're doing is shilling then you're beyond hope.

WingsOfGood posted...

Imagine defending a big corporation for making decisions to take more of your money.

To top it off bonus points if you live paycheck to paycheck while defending!!!!

I am wildly confused how you think this decision is taking more of your money.

unless you mean making it three parts (which is not what the bulk of this topic is about, except when people kept whining about it) , in which case.. yeah, how dare they make content for money. Fucking monsters.

Zonbei posted...

I am wildly confused how you think this decision is taking more of your money.

You should go to a doctor for that. Hope you can afford the healthcare.

WingsOfGood posted...

You should go to a doctor for that. Hope you can afford the healthcare.

What is this weird implication that I dont have money lol.

Also do people go to the doctor because theyre confused by other people spouting nonsense? I dont really think you thought these insults through.

Were almost at 500, I'm just gonna say how I feel about this.

It's stupid that we can't transfer saves.

This is a remake of one game collectively, so it's obvious why people think it should be a thing.

The idea that these all just sequels and not part of 1 full game sounds like a marketing statement, or something similarly stupid.

It should be easy to figure out how to make this work.

They should have figured it out in advance.

They should have actually done it.

There's no reason not too. Everyone who didn't play the first one could have easily started with some sort of standard save with appropriatelevel and gear. It would probably be pretty easy.

Zonbei posted...

This.. doesnt address what I said at all. Youre correct. It is basic code. It was also wildly irrelevant.

How is it irrelevant? The gist of this entire conversation is "why didn't they allow save data carry over?". Which is why I posted basic terrible code showing how easy of a process it is, that even a base student could do it, let alone a multi-billion dollar company. I don't know what you were thinking the conversation was about. Unless I'm missing something that was implied and not typed.

itachi15243 posted...

Were almost at 500, I'm just gonna say how I feel about this.

It's stupid that we can't transfer saves.

This is a remake of one game collectively, so it's obvious why people think it should be a thing.

The idea that these all just sequels and not part of 1 full game sounds like a marketing statement, or something similarly stupid.

It should be easy to figure out how to make this work.

They should have figured it out in advance.

They should have actually done it.

There's no reason not too. Everyone who didn't play the first one could have easily started with some sort of standard save with appropriatelevel and gear. It would probably be pretty easy.

There are a bunch of reasons not to. I dont understand why you all think its some matter of technical skill. Its a design decision and theres a bunch of good reasons for it. Which have been discussed by the devs, and ad nauseum in this topic.

You all act like you were entitled to this totally pointless feature, and their failure to do it means theyre incompetent and also hate you. In reality its a design decision they made. And a reasonable one.

itachi15243 posted...

It should be easy to figure out how to make this work.

Part 1: Level cap 50
Part 2: Things start at ~40-45, level cap 100
Part 3: Things start at ~90-95, level cap 150

Very easy

Ivany2008 posted...

How is it irrelevant? The gist of this entire conversation is "why didn't they allow save data carry over?". Which is why I posted basic terrible code showing how easy of a process it is, that even a base student could do it, let alone a multi-billion dollar company. I don't know what you were thinking the conversation was about. Unless I'm missing something that was implied and not typed.

I literally already told you the conversation was absolutely not about the ease or difficulty of writing code. At no point was a single person saying oh writing the literal code is just too hard and thats why they didnt do it. No one. I have no idea why youve decided its about that.

At the very least, you're given a couple of summon materia if you have saves for Remake and Intergrade.

itachi15243 posted...

Were almost at 500, I'm just gonna say how I feel about this.

It's stupid that we can't transfer saves.

This is a remake of one game collectively, so it's obvious why people think it should be a thing.

The idea that these all just sequels and not part of 1 full game sounds like a marketing statement, or something similarly stupid.

It should be easy to figure out how to make this work.

They should have figured it out in advance.

They should have actually done it.

There's no reason not too. Everyone who didn't play the first one could have easily started with some sort of standard save with appropriatelevel and gear. It would probably be pretty easy.

Very well said. You are correct.

MarthGoomba posted...

Part 1: Level cap 50
Part 2: Things start at ~40-45, level cap 100
Part 3: Things start at ~90-95, level cap 150

Very easy

Ok so what about the guy who only beat the first game at level 20 on easy and only opened half the chests

Tyranthraxus posted...

Ok so what about the guy who only beat the first game at level 20 on easy and only opened half the chests

The final boss of a previous game is going to be tougher than the fodder at the beginning of the next game. There isn't an issue here. And as I had previously stated, it's no different than designing them as one continuous game.

This is one of the weirdest complaints I've seen in gaming.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Ok so what about the guy who only beat the first game at level 20 on easy and only opened half the chests

Take the maximum of the default state and the transferred state, or when transferring, advise that the game may be challenging at such a low level and ask if they would rather start with the default state, so try hards who want to low level game can say transfer anyway for that experience. This is not hard.

PraetorXyn posted...

Take the maximum of the default state and the transferred state, or when transferring, advise that the game may be challenging at such a low level and ask if they would rather start with the default state, so try hards who want to low level game can say transfer anyway for that experience. This is not hard.

lmao your solution is to literally not import progress. fantastic.

itachi15243 posted...

Were almost at 500, I'm just gonna say how I feel about this.

It's stupid that we can't transfer saves.

This is a remake of one game collectively, so it's obvious why people think it should be a thing.

The idea that these all just sequels and not part of 1 full game sounds like a marketing statement, or something similarly stupid.

It should be easy to figure out how to make this work.

They should have figured it out in advance.

They should have actually done it.

There's no reason not too. Everyone who didn't play the first one could have easily started with some sort of standard save with appropriatelevel and gear. It would probably be pretty easy.

But you see, while that is all fair & easy to understand, you're not a game developer so you can't say that. & all the other games that have prefunctory carry over systems like Tales Of, Mass effect 2 suicide mission to 3, .hack being 1:1 parity carryovers, those are just outliers. We don't develop games on what is more engaging or interesting to the player, & also also what do you know coding is difficult!

Wait, I'm being told on the ground the coding is actually fairly simple to understand & work on with a team of 100s of people...

Okay so I've received my new talking points from the corporate media, they want me to tell you that these are all different games. I know they all share the name FF7, & the same characters, & party setup, & combat system, & game engine...but that's irrelevant obviously because lots of games have done that & didn't carry over.

Wait, you're telling me now that games with RPG mechanics often carry over fractions of info or account data to change how the story or characters progress, & that no one was asking for 100% carry over of progress & I've been arguing against a straw man I created in my head the whole time??

Nah man you're just detached from reality obviously. I rest my case scrub

dave_is_slick posted...

This topic isn't even a day old, how the hell is this almost at 500???

People freak out over nothing.

hereforemnant posted...

But you see, while that is all fair & easy to understand, you're not a game developer so you can't say that. & all the other games that have prefunctory carry over systems like Tales Of, Mass effect 2 suicide mission to 3, .hack being 1:1 parity carryovers, those are just outliers. We don't develop games on what is more engaging or interesting to the player, & also also what do you know coding is difficult!

Wait, I'm being told on the ground the coding is actually fairly simple to understand & work on with a team of 100s of people...

Okay so I've received my new talking points from the corporate media, they want me to tell you that these are all different games. I know they all share the name FF7, & the same characters, & party setup, & combat system, & game engine...but that's irrelevant obviously because lots of games have done that & didn't carry over.

Wait, you're telling me now that games with RPG mechanics often carry over fractions of info or account data to change how the story or characters progress, & that no one was asking for 100% carry over of progress & I've been arguing against a straw man I created in my head the whole time??

Nah man you're just detached from reality obviously. I rest my case scrub

This is legitimately embarrassing to watch.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/9/9/AAL8Z2AAE2hb.jpg

but god of war didn't do that so why expect FF7 to do it too.
lol

Zonbei posted...

This is legitimately embarrassing to watch.

The schtick you've been doing mirror'ed back to you? Yeah I can bet, never seen you post on these boards until this thread but your impression has been as bad as rotting dumpster food behind a restaurant in NYC. The fact that you're probably the majority of posts in this thread in a single poster to get it to 500 shows wayyyy too much devotion lmao

Lara got a reduction.
Samus got a reduction.
Tifa got a reduction.
There is a pattern here.
You can say I'm a loser, but you can't deny what is happening. It's not a conspiracy. It's not internet nerds preemptively being outraged. We said it would happen and it did. We knew it would because it's happened already. Because it's a clear and continuous pattern.
I don't care. I'm a fucking nerd. Whatever.
No, I don't need big breasts on a female character to find her interesting as a character. You don't need profanity and gratuitous bloodshed to have a good time at the movies. But if there's a PG-13 sequel or remake to an R-rated movie, people flip a table because they're being denied something they used to have. It's the same thing here.
If you go to favorite place to eat and find one day that they've stopped serving alcohol, you'd be within your rights to go someplace else even if the food is just as good as it always was.
Even if you don't care about fictional breasts (or real breasts on women playing fictional characters). Even if you're not into women period, it's still a bad thing to remove all buxom women from the media. You are saying that there is a certain type of person who you do not want to be featured in the media and it's through no fault of their own. This is like taking every story which had a Jewish character in it and replacing them with non-Jewish characters. You would be selectively removing a group of people from having any media presence or representation.
It's not just censorship. It's discrimination. How are women with large breasts supposed to feel in real life when they're not good enough to make it into movies? What does it say to them that body types and personality types are treated one and the same and that busty types are the "bimbo" types that we don't want? I suppose they can go out and get reductions if they want to be treated fairly.

Tyranthraxus posted...

lmao your solution is to literally not import progress. fantastic.

Yes it is. Giving players the option between a transfer and a transfer with the base default state used to fill in any gaps and raise stats if theyre too low a level is still transferring.

This is basic problem solving and rudimentary logic. As a software developer, thats basically what a developers job is.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/4/4/AAc8AqAAE1dY.jpg

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/0/1/AAL8Z2AAE2hd.jpg

Mine

Aeris > Yuffie > Tifa