Current Events > Police in Ohio fatally shot a pregnant shoplifting suspect

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there are situations in which cops shouldn't pursue if the pursuit would cause more danger to the public, but in this scenario the woman attempted to run over a cop in the first place

She wasn't "attempting to murder someone with a car", she was attempting to escape the situation. The cop was actively putting himself in the way of the car idiotically

No, the woman tried to escape the situation. The reasonable reaction to a car driving forward is to move out of the way of it, not get in the way

...so it's okay to run over people if you want to escape? Let's say she did get away, the cop gets hit and injured...it's fine, because she was attempting to escape? Come on now.

...so it's okay to run over people if you want to escape? Let's say she did get away, the cop gets hit and injured...it's fine, because she was attempting to escape? Come on now.

...so it's okay to run over people if you want to escape? Let's say she did get away, the cop gets hit and injured...it's fine, because she was attempting to escape? Come on now.

How would she be in custody? You have no guarantee of that. We can't just let people commit crimes because they might act irrationally to their own detriment.

The logic is atrocious.
"If the police officer had just asked her nicely, or if no one had snitched on her or if, here's an idea, the store actually tried to help the poor rather than taxing them with high prices, she'd still be alive. FACT."

The cop would not have gotten injured if he didn't stupidly put his life at risk.

Instead of a gun, he should have been equipped with a camera. Take a picture of her, a picture of the license plate, and arrest her at home.

It's specifically the escalation I disapprove of

She almost certainly could be tracked down with the car's plate number. Literally no one said anything about "just letting people commit crimes.'

This is why when you see someone shoplifting you keep your f***ing mouth shut

Who said this? Are you ok?

That's all cops do is escalate situations.

The reality is that the store owners probably should have never notified the cops. But CE also loves to support store workers and owners having the right to kill shoplifters if there's any way to construe the behavior as dangerous

If a bunch of armed thugs surround my car, I'm going to feel in danger.

I can just see the alternate reality headline right now:

"Cop steps out of the way and lets a woman run over a child in liquor store robbery."

Gee I wonder how y'all well adjusted internet warriors would react to that?

"f***ing useless pigs, yadda yadda yadda."

The internets anti cop agenda has gone so far that y'all go out of your f***ing way to defend criminals in the worst way.

Y'all have zero, and I mean zero common sense.

You don't just "Step out of the way" when someone is actively trying to assault you with a deadly weapon. You would never just assume someone is going to run past you when charging with a knife. Why the fuck would it be any different in a vehicle?

No one, not one person here has thought for two seconds about this. Like the simple fact the officer could step out of the way...and she could just continue to turn the wheel towards him. Yeah let's just ASSUME she's not going to do that and hope she doesn't actively try to run him down as he tries to get out of the way. Seems like a perfectly safe bet. Why she's only shown that she's actively attempted to assault him with her vehicle.

Now while we're in hypothetical nonsense town. Let's also assume that she doesn't try and run him down and is just speeding through a parking lot at a very high rate of speed. Nothing could go wrong there. There's no situation in which she could injure or kill innocent civilians walking / or driving as she's this desperate to escape a slap on the wrist for a bottle of booze.

I can just see the alternate reality headline right now:

"Cop steps out of the way and lets a woman run over a child in liquor store robbery."

Gee I wonder how y'all well adjusted internet warriors would react to that?

"Fucking useless pigs, yadda yadda yadda."

The internets anti cop agenda has gone so far that y'all go out of your fucking way to defend criminals in the worst way.

I can just see the alternate reality headline right now:

"Cop steps out of the way and lets a woman run over a child in liquor store robbery."

Gee I wonder how y'all well adjusted internet warriors would react to that?

The best case scenario would be her getting out of the car because the police approach in a non authoritarian manner that didn't make her feel threatened. She could apologised and the police compassionately ask her if she's ok. Get her help and support her, so her desire to shoplift lessens. Encourage her to be a good parent, and visit the kid yearly to show them that cops can be good guys. Kid graduates with honours and his mother starts helping other women who turn to crime.

I suppose that's the best scenario. Instead, all of that potential is lost and we have a dead unborn child and mother. The police could have done more to help reach that positive outcome, therefore they are the bad guys because they didn't. No matter what, they killed the mother. It doesn't matter what she did or the situation, they took her life. The ultimate sin. Of course that's sad and no one should be happy for that but...

Could the mother bear any responsibility herself? I don't know but the idea here is that only police are wrong if people end up getting hurt either because of them stopping her or because of them letting her get away.

she accelerated her car toward an officer,

This situation is a perfect example of everyone involved making literally the worst decision they could've made, and coming out with one of the worst possible outcomes.

In my opinion, unborn kids only have whatever value their parents place on them

but let's face it -- how good of a life do you think they were going to have anyway, with the mother being reckless enough to drive at a cop while pregnant?

you know shooting the driver doesn't make the car stop instantly right? if you're so close that you can't avoid it you're still getting run over especially if you waste time aiming and shooting

and at this point black people in the US kinda have a reason to fear for their lives when a cop points a gun at them

A shoplifter and attempted murderer is removed from society, and the stolen merchandise was presumably recovered. How is this one of the worst possible outcomes?

I'm assuming you're calling it that solely because of this unborn kid being killed, but let's face it -- how good of a life do you think they were going to have anyway, with the mother being reckless enough to drive at a cop while pregnant? Not to mention that a pregnant person stealing alcohol isn't the greatest look for them as a parent.

In my opinion, unborn kids only have whatever value their parents place on them, and this parent's actions all indicate to me she didn't seem to value hers all that much.

Now you're going too far. The mother did wrong. I don't want to mitigate the childs death by saying "meh they probably wouldn't have good life anyway"

Not one person in this topic thinks shooting at a driver is a brick wall that will instantly stop the vehicle. But if this person is willing to try and run them down, then theyre risking not just the officers life but everyone else on the street.

This has absolutely nothing to do with race. If you feel for your safety then dont try and run down an officer with your fucking vehicle. Smh.

Remember, if someone tries to run you over if you don't move out of the way it's your fault.

yeah because everyone who complies always comes out completely unscathed once the guns are drawn

What point do you think youre making?

That's all cops do is escalate situations. Don't fucking surround her, that triggers fight or flight, which in either case here is bad because if she fights she's gonna try and hit you with a car, if she flights you might get hit by the car. Get her license plate and get her at home ffs. Or if it's a stolen car, she'll ditch it and have gotten away with a few bottles of liquor. But instead, they forced a confrontation and now she's fucking dead.

Police in a Columbus suburb fatally shot a pregnant woman in an Ohio supermarket parking lot after she accelerated her car toward an officer, police officials said.

If she accelerated towards the officer, not sure why people are trying to put the blame on the officer.

Shoplifting doesnt deserve a death penalty of course. But the officer wasnt in the wrong here.

because if he had time to shoot her and move out of the way of the moving vehicle that means his life wasn't actually in danger.

The shooting was captured on police body cam video, but it wasnt clear Monday when that will be made public.

Yes, the outcome is much better than if you attempt to stop them or call the cops. Not to mention you can just report the goods to your supplier as broken and they will refund it without question in my experience.

ce really defending someone that tried to run a cop over

It isn't aggressive to stand there and ask for her to leave the car.

Disarm the police.

This new article seems like the cops trying to change the story

apparently they were supposed to casually sidestep away and wave to her as she fled

like most things in life, one reacts with how theyre trained, if youre not trained no one not even you will know how youll react

I think you're confusing this with the one with the pregnant Native American woman who was killed by police? She didn't try to run anyone over. They just killed her. And she wasn't even the right person. The suspect was white.

Neon surely you are aware that CE has a fundamental belief that the sole desire of cops is to murder people and they will do anything in their power to create plausible deniability for themselves.

I'll never understand the mentality of people who dismiss crime like it's perfectly acceptable behavior.

What a stunning and compelling rebuttal. I can't help but be swayed.

By putting the car in the way, the police officer forced the situation to have a violent outcome.