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Kradek
06/30/23 7:13:38 PM
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https://www.npr.org/2023/06/30/1182121291/colorado-supreme-court-same-sex-marriage-decision

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled 6-3 along ideological lines that the First Amendment bars Colorado from "forcing a website designer to create expressive designs speaking messages with which the designer disagrees."

Writing for the conservative majority, Justice Neil Gorsuch said: "Ms. [Lori] Smith seeks to engage in protected First Amendment speech; Colorado seeks to compel speech she does not wish to provide. As the Tenth Circuit observed, if Ms. Smith offers wedding websites celebrating marriages she endorses, the State intends to compel her to create custom websites celebrating other marriages she does not. ... If she wishes to speak, she must either speak as the State demands or face sanctions for expressing her own beliefs, sanctions that may include compulsory participation in 'remedial . . . training,' filing periodic compliance reports, and paying monetary fines. That is an impermissible abridgement of the First Amendment's right to speak freely."

In her dissent, Justice Sonia Sotomayor wrote: "Today, the Court, for the first time in its history, grants a business open to the public a constitutional right to refuse to serve members of a protected class."

She added: "Around the country, there has been a backlash to the movement for liberty and equality for gender and sexual minorities. New forms of inclusion have been met with reactionary exclusion. This is heartbreaking. Sadly, it is also familiar. When the civil rights and women's rights movements sought equality in public life, some public establishments refused. Some even claimed, based on sincere religious beliefs, constitutional rights to discriminate. The brave Justices who once sat on this Court decisively rejected those claims."

For years, the justices have side-stepped the difficult issue presented by business owners who don't want to comply with public accommodation laws for same-sex weddings.
Florists, photographers, and a baker all went to court arguing that they should not have to use their artistry for same-sex weddings. But the court either declined to review lower court rulings or, in the case of the baker who refused to make a custom wedding cake for a same-sex couple, the court punted.

This year, however, the new conservative supermajority reached out in an unusually aggressive manner, agreeing to decide a case in which nobody had yet filed a claim of discrimination.

Instead, Smith, a web designer who is opposed to same sex marriage, pre-emptively sued the state of Colorado, claiming that the state law banning discrimination based on sexual orientation violates her right of free speech.

Smith who believes that marriage should only be between a man and a woman, said she wanted to create a custom web-page business for weddings, but could not do so because under Colorado law she would have been forced to create websites that violate her faith. Colorado said it didn't want to dictate what Smith said in her web designs, but that if her business is open to the public--as it is--it had to serve everyone.

On Friday, the court ruled against the state and for the web designer in a decision that could have profound consequences in Colorado and 29 other states that have laws requiring businesses open to the public to serve everyone, regardless or race, religion, ethnicity, gender or sexual orientation.

What makes this case illegitimate is that as Gorsuch himself mentions, this is based off a worry of hers. No damages have been suffered, and in fact two days ago it was exposed that the guy she claimed was a gay man asking her to set up a page for their upcoming wedding, to include his personal information such as his phone number and address, turned out to be a guy who is actually straight and married. He told the reporter that nobody had even bothered to try to contact him until she did and that if Smith used his identity in some supporting documents manner then those are falsified records.

https://newrepublic.com/article/173987/mysterious-case-fake-gay-marriage-website-real-straight-man-supreme-court

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Cemith
06/30/23 7:18:24 PM
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And yet nothing will come of it.

This is why everyone with half a brain cell knew Trump was an awful choice. Now we have a flagrantly right leaning SC.

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CommonStar
06/30/23 7:19:23 PM
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So like can we expand and pack the courts now or no?
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Dark_twisted
06/30/23 7:19:52 PM
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Obergefell will likely be challenged and struck down next term. We're headed completely backwards. :/

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RuneterranSnap
06/30/23 7:23:03 PM
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SC has no legitimacy and no authority.

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dotsdfe
06/30/23 7:26:13 PM
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I sure hope that president 6-3 lets me have rights next year.

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tremain07
06/30/23 7:37:11 PM
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Doesn't that mean anything Biden promises for this next term is legit auto null and void since Republicans will just challenge up to the overlords and kill it there? Fuck, we're stuck with a generation of these guys who open defy the very idea of rules for themselves and openly wave their corruption in the public's face knowing they can't do anything about it, America is not a free nation

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Frosted_Midna
06/30/23 7:39:14 PM
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I wanna see people riot. I am tired of people being quiet about all of this.

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name_unknown
06/30/23 7:52:44 PM
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Where's the posters saying conservatives aren't out to stop gay marriage?
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HylianFox
06/30/23 7:55:48 PM
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It's only a matter of time before we start seeing "Whites Only" signs in business establishments again

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HylianFox
06/30/23 7:59:12 PM
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Also funny how "states rights" suddenly evaporate whenever some straight white christian gets their panties in a twist

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ZannoL
06/30/23 8:02:35 PM
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HylianFox posted...
Also funny how "states rights" suddenly evaporate whenever some straight white christian gets their panties in a twist

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RchHomieQuanChi
06/30/23 8:06:43 PM
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It completely astounds me that a group of unelected judges with so much power also get lifetime appointments and can't be held accountable for anything

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YourBestFrenemy
06/30/23 8:08:35 PM
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CommonStar posted...
So like can we expand and pack the courts now or no?

I notice people saying this a lot today. It's not going to happen.

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RchHomieQuanChi
06/30/23 8:09:02 PM
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HylianFox posted...
Also funny how "states rights" suddenly evaporate whenever some straight white christian gets their panties in a twist

States' rights is just a euphemism for "Please let the South bring back Jim Crow laws"

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hockeybub89
06/30/23 8:10:26 PM
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"My public business is open to everyone! Except the LGBTQ because their existence offends me!"

inb4theycanstillgetstraightmarried

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TonyKojima
06/30/23 8:13:35 PM
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Blue states need to disregard the supreme court from now on.

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Humble_Novice
06/30/23 8:15:44 PM
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Now is a good time to delegitimize SCOTUS once and for all.

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Humble_Novice
06/30/23 8:17:26 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
It completely astounds me that a group of unelected judges with so much power also get lifetime appointments and can't be held accountable for anything
I was shocked when SCOTUS started trending alongside Assassin's Creed on Twitter. Makes me wonder what would happen if the judges pass something that would push one affected person right over the edge.

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PraetorXyn
06/30/23 8:19:04 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
It completely astounds me that a group of unelected judges with so much power also get lifetime appointments and can't be held accountable for anything
The problem with our government as a whole is that the Founding Fathers assumed their ilk (i.e., well-educated rich landowners or whatever you want to call them, the only ones they really intended to have a voice in most things) would always be competent and reasonable even if they disagreed. They never conceived of half of them just degenerating into lunacy and what that might cause with all their vaunted checks and balances.

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Full_Pokedex
06/30/23 8:20:15 PM
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TonyKojima posted...
Blue states need to disregard the supreme court from now on.
It is illegal to do so. I hope none of you teach Constitutional Law because you're awful at it.

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TonyKojima
06/30/23 8:20:41 PM
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Full_Pokedex posted...
It is illegal to do so. I hope none of you teach Constitutional Law because you're awful at it.
Thats nice, let the court enforce it then. lol

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HylianFox
06/30/23 8:23:23 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
States' rights is just a euphemism for "Please let the South bring back Jim Crow laws"

well yeah, naturally

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Humble_Novice
06/30/23 8:23:59 PM
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While vigilantism should not be condoned under normal circumstances, some people are at the end of their rope and will understandingly resort to desperate and extreme measures. Even I have to admit that fascism can never be truly resolved through peaceful means alone.

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Humble_Novice
06/30/23 8:24:50 PM
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Full_Pokedex posted...
It is illegal to do so. I hope none of you teach Constitutional Law because you're awful at it.
If red states are going to ignore or distort the Constitution at their own pleasure, why should blue states play nice with them?

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Full_Pokedex
06/30/23 8:25:03 PM
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TonyKojima posted...
Thats nice, let the court enforce it then. lol
If the Supreme Court ruled a way you want and Red States started ignoring the ruling you'd all be demanding police enforce the ruling. I swear your all such hypocrites.

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TonyKojima
06/30/23 8:25:28 PM
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Full_Pokedex posted...
If the Supreme Court ruled a way you want and Red States started ignoring the ruling you'd all be demanding police enforce the ruling. I swear your all such hypocrites.
Blah blah blah.

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name_unknown
06/30/23 8:26:30 PM
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But republicans aren't out to remove same sex marriage. I was told.
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Full_Pokedex
06/30/23 8:27:28 PM
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TonyKojima posted...
Blah blah blah.
Wow so mature

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name_unknown
06/30/23 8:48:55 PM
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What an end for pride month.
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UnholyMudcrab
06/30/23 8:49:43 PM
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The Supreme Court is a fundamentally regressive institution and should be abolished

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TonyKojima
06/30/23 8:50:18 PM
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lol Full_pokedex blocked me.

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Full_Pokedex
06/30/23 8:51:45 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
The Supreme Court is a fundamentally regressive institution and should be abolished
You only believe this because they aren't ruling the way you want them too. No one said shit like this during the Obama administration, I wonder why?

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Southernfatman
06/30/23 8:52:00 PM
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TonyKojima posted...
lol Full_pokedex blocked me.

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Me three

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name_unknown
06/30/23 8:52:31 PM
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Fascist always point to law and order.
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UnsteadyOwl
06/30/23 8:53:47 PM
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HylianFox posted...
Also funny how "states rights" suddenly evaporate whenever some straight white christian gets their panties in a twist


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Euripides
06/30/23 8:54:56 PM
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The decision is a big problem.

It was also based on a very complicated case that isn't as cut and dry as people make it out to be.

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ChainsawFerret
06/30/23 8:56:10 PM
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There is a precedent for it, ironically enough. Andrew Jackson did just that. He ignored the Supreme Court. Told them to send their army. Worcester v. Georgia. Later, he did proclaim their supremacy, but the precedent is there regardless.

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Full_Pokedex
06/30/23 8:57:09 PM
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ChainsawFerret posted...
There is a precedent for it, ironically enough. Andrew Jackson did just that. He ignored the Supreme Court. Told them to send their army. Worcester v. Georgia. Later, he did proclaim their supremacy, but the precedent is there regardless.
Andrew Jackson got impeached for it.

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YourBestFrenemy
06/30/23 9:01:01 PM
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This.

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Taharqa_
06/30/23 9:01:25 PM
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So what's next on the agenda for this illegitimate court? Obergefell vs Hodges? Fair Housing Act? Brown v Board? Loving vs Virginia? Civil Rights Act of 1964?

It's high time that people realize that there is a significant portion of this country that is still pissed about the gains made during the Civil Rights era of the 1960s. Conservatives have been playing a 50 year long game here, slowly chipping away at progress.

There is a significant portion of this country that stopped and said "I'm good" on this 55+ year second attempt at reconstruction (little R) and integration. We have a major political party that is basically a Neo-Confederate Party and a Supreme Court with six members willing to do their bidding.

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hockeybub89
06/30/23 9:04:30 PM
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The Republican Surpreme Court can fuck off and everyone can shove their religious beliefs up their asses. How about that for a ruling?

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CommonStar
06/30/23 9:05:04 PM
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HylianFox posted...
Also funny how "states rights" suddenly evaporate whenever some straight white christian gets their panties in a twist
Look up Lee Atwater's speech on the Southern Strategy and States' Rights, and you'll understand.
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