Current Events > The Supreme Court student loan forgiveness decision is tomorrow

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Questionmarktarius posted...

but, that's how republicans get votes.

They mostly get votes by othering and marginalizing.

jefffan posted...

This begs the question...why didn't Pelosi and Schumer take this on when Democrats had both houses,?

Buck-passing.
A president doing it unilaterally means congress is "innocent" or "hands tied" or whatever, and that's one less thing for PACs to constantly harp on when election season rolls around.

Enclave posted...

They mostly get votes by othering and marginalizing.

combined with walletmongering: "We're giving these marginalized others free money, and you're paying for it!"

jefffan posted...

This begs the question...why didn't Pelosi and Schumer take this on when Democrats had both houses,?

Manchin, Sinema, other possible bluedogs and frauds.

thronedfire2 posted...

that makes no sense at all. Do you think people making 100K+ should be getting food stamps too?

Administratively, it's easier to give benefits to all and then have progressive taxes to get those back from those who are rich. Our tax system exists to do that, although it's not perfect due to the loopholes and weak enforcement. If we stop means-testing, there's far less paperwork for everyone involved and everyone who is eligible would actually get the benefit, instead of our current system where many eligible people lose benefits due to technicalities.

jefffan posted...

This begs the question...why didn't Pelosi and Schumer take this on when Democrats had both houses,?

They did not have a solid majority in both the Senate and House.

My message to the SCotUS is a very simple one:

Christcracker fascists, go fuck yourselves. And to their enablers, fuck you too. Including the ones here.

How in the hell is telling the president he can't just write off $400 billion theocratic fascism?

ChainsawFerret posted...

My message to the SCotUS is a very simple one:

Christcracker fascists, go fuck yourselves. And to their enablers, fuck you too. Including the ones here.

Then move.

jefffan posted...

This begs the question...why didn't Pelosi and Schumer take this on when Democrats had both houses,?

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This is trash reasoning from them, it's judicial activism. They are carrying out their agenda to limit the power of federal agencies by restricting them to the most narrow interpretation whenever they feel like, when they don't like the political or economic consequences.

It's also disgusting that the NONPROFIT loan servicer that handles debt forgiveness for public interest workers is the trojan horse used to protect the profits of loan servicers at the expense of actual human beings. At the end of the day, this is a result of conservatives on the Supreme Court and conservatives in Missouri.

To find some sliver of a silver lining, Congress could hypothetically say that the Secretary does have the power to cancel all loans. That would likely be filibustered though unless it's in a budget bill. That should be added to the top of the agenda for a second Biden term and he better increase the loan forgiveness as a fuck you.

jasten posted...

Then move.

No, you move. My country is wrong, and I will do what I can to make it right.

jasten isnt American so telling actual Americans to move is kind of a weird choice.

I'm all for removing means-testing, but because pragmatically means-testing sucks fiscally, and it restricts access to those who need it. Not because "did you bring enough for the whole class?"

Questionmarktarius posted...

How in the hell is telling the president he can't just write off $400 billion theocratic fascism?

He's just upset he didn't get $10k free monies.
I bet he always went around pretending, "I paid my loans, I just don't want others to bear that burden!" in every topic on it.

Why is it okay for rich people to be handed free money but not okay for the workers?

ChainsawFerret posted...

No, you move. My country is wrong, and I will do what I can to make it right.

Nah. Youre just another entitled child. Grow up.

COVxy posted...

I'm all for removing means-testing, but because pragmatically means-testing sucks fiscally, and it restricts access to those who need it. Not because "did you bring enough for the whole class?"

If anything, means testing should end simply because welfare cliffs are fucking terrible. If it's not an intentional poverty-trap, it sure as hell seems like it.

Nice, this was the right decision. Pay back what you owe.

SaikyoStyle posted...

Why is it okay for rich people to be handed free money but not okay for the workers?

Because they "earned it" or some other bullshit mental gymnastics poor and middle class people think to justify the screwing they and everyone else gets from the rich. Can't believe so many people simp fo the rich so much. Some even ITT.

jasten posted...

Nah. Youre just another entitled child. Grow up.

And you say stupid shit. Looks like you need to grow up as well.

John_Galt posted...

Nice, this was the right decision. Pay back what you owe.

Unless you're obscenely wealthy, then fuck it.

"hurrr durrr I don't agree wif dat won do dey shuld pay 2!!1"

My wife isn't paying hers back regardless so hopefully the decision is the right one.

SaikyoStyle posted...

Why is it okay for rich people to be handed free money but not okay for the workers?

Did Biden sign an executive order on that, that I missed?

jasten posted...

Nah. Youre just another entitled child. Grow up.

How much did you sell your soul for? Because you sold it cheap. But yeah, keep talking, fascist trash.

Not surprised, but it always seemed like there was a blatant lack of standing here.

John_Galt posted...

Nice, this was the right decision. Pay back what you owe.

Let's reverse the PPP loan forgiveness then

I have so many friends saying they were relived with the 20K being cancelled they no longer had debt burying them or it made their bills manageable.

I guess they are all fucked now.

Forgive the loans anyway, and tell the six fascist fucks on the Supreme Court that they can enforce it with their imaginary army if theyd like.

ChainsawFerret posted...

How much did you sell your soul for? Because you sold it cheap. But yeah, keep talking, fascist trash.

I didnt. I was fiscally responsible and didnt take on more than I could pay back. Its called being an adult. You should try it.

this court proves it is illegitimate on a near daily basis. as someone else mentioned, the fraudulent ppp loans that were given to anyone that applied under obese donald trump were forgiven and that amounted to actual fraud since he purposefully made sure there was no watchdog.

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Did Biden sign an executive order on that, that I missed?

There is no honest discussion to be had with an alt-right.

Well I guess buying a house is getting kicked down the road for awhile. Or forever, depending on how you look at it. And I'll be buying less shit, so I guess that's good for the economy right?

ChainsawFerret posted...

How much did you sell your soul for? Because you sold it cheap. But yeah, keep talking, fascist trash.

What's worse is, these people got fuck all for their soul. They gave it up to the elites willingly.

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This is how you incense the youth vote you're so scared of, GOP. Good job securing your loss in 2024.

Fools.

John_Galt posted...

Nice, this was the right decision. Pay back what you owe.

The pragmatic thing to do is pay the absolute minimum for as long as the forgiveness carrot is being dangled.

The courts are too powerful right now.

Awesomeo_4000 posted...

Forgive the loans anyway, and tell the six fascist fucks on the Supreme Court that they can enforce it with their imaginary army if theyd like.

Democrats are too obsessed with decorum and protecting the rotten unfair system slowly being taken over by the rich and their fascist underlings. They don't actually want to put up a fight.

Awesomeo_4000 posted...

Forgive the loans anyway, and tell the six fascist fucks on the Supreme Court that they can enforce it with their imaginary army if theyd like.

Government is failing their end of the social contract, so why should we hold up ours?

jasten posted...

I didnt. I was fiscally responsible and didnt take on more than I could pay back. Its called being an adult. You should try it.

Your accomplishments are likely dependent on a whole lot of societal and fiscal support that the majority of the US population doesn't have. You can delude yourself, as many conservatives do, that you're just the absolute shit and everyone else are freeloaders, but the truth is that you probably just started at a point that didn't require too much for success.

jasten posted...

I didnt. I was fiscally responsible and didnt take on more than I could pay back. Its called being an adult. You should try it.

Just fyi the business of doling out student loans specifically preys on children who are indoctrinated their whole lives to believe they need to take out loans to go to college

K181 posted...

Not surprised, but it always seemed like there was a blatant lack of standing here.

I mean, yeah, but that won't stop this partisan court from making the wrong decision. They just ruled on a case that literally doesn't exist in favor of allowing discrimination. This is small potatoes to their corruption.

ChainsawFerret posted...

How much did you sell your soul for? Because you sold it cheap. But yeah, keep talking, fascist trash.

FYI they had a reputation on 261 for damage controlling the confederacy. This is the kind of person who you're trying to have a discussion with.

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Or what? Youll cry more on the internet?

jasten posted...

I didnt. I was fiscally responsible and didnt take on more than I could pay back. Its called being an adult. You should try it.

I call BS on that. You're not even from the US. Imagine simping for billionaires and their cronies...

andel posted...

this court proves it is illegitimate on a near daily basis. as someone else mentioned, the fraudulent ppp loans that were given to anyone that applied under obese donald trump were forgiven and that amounted to actual fraud since he purposefully made sure there was no watchdog.

This case was solely about whether the executive branch has the ability to write off debt. The PPP loans were a bill passed through congress. Student debt forgiveness was an executive order. An executive order that a year prior to Biden writing it Pelosi herself stated that only Congress has the power to write off debt.

This was never legitimate, and no matter how angry people get over being grifted, it doesn't change the simple fact of the case. The president can't erase debt with an executive order. Only Congress can do that. Pelosi should have done it, but she didn't.

John_Galt posted...

Nice, this was the right decision. Pay back what you owe.

Lol libertarians, aka house cats

Payzmaykr posted...

The courts are too powerful right now.

oh, now we care about an activist judiciary

jasten posted...

I didnt. I was fiscally responsible and didnt take on more than I could pay back. Its called being an adult. You should try it.

So you must be seething that MTG, Gaetz and etc got their PPP loans forgiven

President's have given out straight up money before. What's the problem now...