Current Events > Titanic tourist sub goes missing part 2

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Will_VIIII posted...

How would the murder occur? Choke someone out? I can't imagine how else

I envy that your brain isnt as rotted as mine is and you can only think of that one way to kill someone.

Zonbei posted...

I envy that your brain isnt as rotted as mine is and you can only think of that one way to kill someone.

I can think of others but in that sub I can't imagine they have weapons or anything

The fact that I'm first being made aware of private Titanic wreck tours that don't directly involve James Cameron actually being a thing through the headline news of one going missing tells the whole story. The ignorance and / or hubris required to hop in a tiny sub and travel 10,000 feet below the ocean's surface without years of training and expertise is just off the charts. I feel extreme pity and remorse for any victim who actually got sold on some fun adventure pitch without being told the extreme risks; beyond that, this is the case of a rich kid buying a high-powered sports car they have no business driving and wrapping it around a telephone pole times 100.

Will_VIIII posted...

I can think of others but in that sub I can't imagine they have weapons or anything

36 hour figure 4 leg lock. Death by aneurysm cause the ref wouldn't break the hold after 2 hours

Beveren_Rabbit posted...

people are against the death penalty and believe criminals deserve to be rehabilitated but are wishing a horrible death to these people just because they are rich.

I havent seen anyone wishing a horrible death to them. Just people understanding what happened already, and some of them going well. They did this to themselves and also they suck.

SHRlKE posted...

Uh oh

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/5/9/AAfPfjAAEl1n.png

Now they have to determine that it is not part of the Titanic debris field or the remains of a shipping container that fell off a bulk carrier in rough weather decades ago.

SHRlKE posted...

Uh oh

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/5/9/AAfPfjAAEl1n.png

Assuming this isn't part of the Titanic debris field. My understanding is that field is massive.

Will_VIIII posted...

I can think of others but in that sub I can't imagine they have weapons or anything

You can smash someones head with or into a variety of things.

It imploded

Zonbei posted...

You can smash someones head with or into a variety of things.

A broken $30 Logitech controller would do some damage.

theAteam posted...

Assuming this isn't part of the Titanic debris field. My understanding is that field is massive.

Magellan mapped out the debris field last year, anything new would stand out

masterpug53 posted...

The fact that I'm first being made aware of private Titanic wreck tours that don't directly involve James Cameron actually being a thing through the headline news of one going missing tells the whole story. The ignorance and / or hubris required to hop in a tiny sub and travel 10,000 feet below the ocean's surface without years of training and expertise is just off the charts. I feel extreme pity and remorse for any victim who actually got sold on some fun adventure pitch without being told the extreme risks; beyond that, this is the case of a rich kid buying a high-powered sports car they have no business driving and wrapping it around a telephone pole times 100.

Apparently Titanic tourism has been a thing since 98 according to BBCs timeline. It's just besides the other 3 or 4 that Titan made were done with subs that weren't built from parts purchased at Home Depot

Beveren_Rabbit posted...

people are against the death penalty and believe criminals deserve to be rehabilitated but are wishing a horrible death to these people just because they are rich.

Aside from rapists and murderers I actually think you could make a very compelling argument that most billionaires are worse than most criminals.

Shadow_Don posted...

Aside from rapists and murderers I actually think you could make a very compelling argument that most billionaires are worse than most criminals.

The death penalty has certainly killed people that were completely innocent, people that have caused less harm than billionaires, and people who didnt actively sign a waiver that said they knew theyd probably die before climbing into a $250,000 dollar death trap.

So really, Id say being for the death penalty is probably much worse than a single instance of wishing for the death of these rich people. (Not that anyone was doing that.)

I still don't know why people are thinking they were just sitting on the ocean floor for days. Like if you didn't have faith that the part of the sub they would have been able to test most thoroughly didn't work (rising back to the surface), why would you have faith that the rest of the sub would hold up especially after knowing their viewport was only rated to go a third of the way to the titanic

but alas if they weren't able to be found floating on the surface of the water, instantly imploding would have been the most humane way to go

Thewinner14 posted...

Apparently Titanic tourism has been a thing since 98 according to BBCs timeline. It's just besides the other 3 or 4 that Titan made were done with subs that weren't built from parts purchased at Home Depot

Really? I might be way out of touch then, I thought the tech necessary to safely get manned vessels down to that kind of depth was still relatively new.

masterpug53 posted...

Really? I might be way out of touch then, I thought the tech necessary to safely get manned vessels down to that kind of depth was still relatively new.

The Trieste descended into the 10 kilometers deep Mariana's trench in 1960.

Alexanaxela posted...

I still don't know why people are thinking they were just sitting on the ocean floor for days. Like if you didn't have faith that the part of the sub they would have been able to test most thoroughly didn't work (rising back to the surface), why would you have faith that the rest of the sub would hold up especially after knowing their viewport was only rated to go a third of the way to the titanic

but alas if they weren't able to be found floating on the surface of the water, instantly imploding would have been the most humane way to go

From the beginning, the oxygen countdown stuff was just an excuse for 24-hour news to keep pushing updates, and people bought into it.

Alexanaxela posted...

I still don't know why people are thinking they were just sitting on the ocean floor for days. Like if you didn't have faith that the part of the sub they would have been able to test most thoroughly didn't work (rising back to the surface), why would you have faith that the rest of the sub would hold up especially after knowing their viewport was only rated to go a third of the way to the titanic

Because A: It survived earlier trips and
B: Their communication system was bad and they had lost contact earlier and
C: They managed to get stuck on Titanic in an earlier dive.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/8/1/AAfPfjAAEl19.png

More news is the debris was found near the titanic. Starting to sound more likely this is the missing vessel.

masterpug53 posted...

Really? I might be way out of touch then, I thought the tech necessary to safely get manned vessels down to that kind of depth was still relatively new.

Usually I think of ROVs when it comes to Titanic exploration but I guess submersibles have been used quite a bit as well. Here's the timeline BBC posted yesterday

1985 - Titanic site discovered by American-French team

1986 - Submersible Alvin explores wreck

1987 - First salvage expedition collects 1,800 Titanic artefacts

1995 - James Cameron visits the wreck - footage is used in his film Titanic

1998 - First tourists dive there

1998 - Section of the Titanic hull is raised

2005 - Two crewed submersibles dive to the wreck

2010 - Autonomous robots map the site

2012 - Wreck now protected by Unesco

2019 - DSV Limiting Factor sub makes five dives

2020 US and UK agree treaty to protect Titanic wreck

2021 OceanGate makes first successful attempt to reach the site

2023 First full-size digital scan of the wreck is created using deep-sea mapping

Thompson posted...

The Trieste descended into the 10 kilometers deep Mariana's trench in 1960.

*googles* Wow, shows what I know. Didn't realize I was that behind the times, thanks for enlightening me.

Foppe posted...

Because A: It survived earlier trips and
B: Their communication system was bad and they had lost contact earlier and
C: They managed to get stuck on Titanic in an earlier dive.

with a and b the sub still resurfaced on its own which again brings up the question if you think the thing they would have been capable of testing most thoroughly failed, why would you think the rest of it had not failed? And c was a different sub like 20+ years ago

BBC are reporting that the sub's "landing frame and rear cover" have been spotted.

Trelve posted...

BBC are reporting that the sub's "landing frame and rear cover" have been spotted.

Thats the best possible outcome for them. That means they didnt even know what hit them, their deaths were so fast.

Did they have a camera on board recording wtf was going on in the sub? That would be a crazy thing to see

Smashingpmkns posted...

Did they have a camera on board recording wtf was going on in the sub? That would be a crazy thing to see

There is no black box apparently.

It's most likely the vessel imploded isn't it?

Smashingpmkns posted...

Did they have a camera on board recording wtf was going on in the sub? That would be a crazy thing to see

Basically if there's anything that isn't absolutely necessary then assume they didn't splurge for it.

Damn

theAteam posted...

Basically if there's anything that isn't absolutely necessary then assume they didn't splurge for it.

Even if something is absolutely necessary you can assume they didn't splurge for it. Hence the whole thing happening in the first place.

I know I showed my ass earlier by being way behind the times on manned deep-sea exploration, but I still can't get over how nightmarish it is to realize that we're already well into the corner-cutting commercialization phase of deep sea tourism. You'd probably have a better chance of survival getting stranded in a malfunctioning spaceship.

Maybe the silver lining here is that this disaster will wake people up to how foolish it is to do something like this even remotely casually.

masterpug53 posted...

Maybe the silver lining here is that this disaster will wake people up to how foolish it is to do something like this even remotely casually.

If you're signing a "you're probably gonna die" waver, you know what you're getting into.

Questionmarktarius posted...

If you're signing a "you're probably gonna die" waver, you know what you're getting into.

It's almost certain that they didn't fully know what they were getting into due the corner-cutting design of the craft. Beyond that, there's plenty of people on this planet from all walks of life who don't come close to grasping the full breadth of Mother Nature's unforgiving brutality; I've argued with a good friend on many occasions who believes, among other things, that he'd be able to simply swim to safety if he got caught in the storm surge of a major hurricane.

The kind of people who think it's a neat idea to strap into a minivan-sized sub and travel 10,000 feet below sea level with (what I assume to be) minimal training and expertise are the exact kind of people who aren't going to take waivers seriously.

BBC News reports that: Company that owns the vessel has said that "all five passengers are believed to be dead".

masterpug53 posted...

I know I showed my ass earlier by being way behind the times on manned deep-sea exploration, but I still can't get over how nightmarish it is to realize that we're already well into the corner-cutting commercialization phase of deep sea tourism. You'd probably have a better chance of survival getting stranded in a malfunctioning spaceship.

Maybe the silver lining here is that this disaster will wake people up to how foolish it is to do something like this even remotely casually.

Hopefully theyll cancel the next planned mission to the moon.

We're not gonna get any more research or artifacts from the Titanic now because of these idiots.

Ferarri619 posted...

We're not gonna get any more research or artifacts from the Titanic now because of these idiots.

At some point the frame is gonna collapse on itself due to all that erosion anyways.

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They shouldn't let tourists down there in the first place. Idiot sightseers are banging around against the hull and causing it to deteriorate faster

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/06/22/missing-titanic-tourist-submarine-search-live-updates/70345468007/

RIP to them all.

Also, the wife of the ceo of the sub is descended from the Titanic victims. Interesting.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

They shouldn't let tourists down there in the first place. Idiot sightseers are banging around against the hull and causing it to deteriorate faster

No, the hull was not rated for this expedition and barely survived the previous ones and probably failed due to fatigue from all those compression/decompression cycles.

Pikachuchupika posted...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/06/22/missing-titanic-tourist-submarine-search-live-updates/70345468007/

RIP to them all.

Also, the wife of the ceo of the sub is descended from the Titanic victims. Interesting.

And so the search ends... RIP to all of them.

Starks posted...

No, the hull was not rated for this expedition and barely survived the previous ones and probably failed due to fatigue from all those compression/decompression cycles.

I'm not talking about this particular trip, I'm talking about the times in the past where visitors have crashed into the hull or landed on the deck and caused structural collapses.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

They shouldn't let tourists down there in the first place. Idiot sightseers are banging around against the hull and causing it to deteriorate faster

Agree. The Titanic wreckage is a gravesite not a tourist attraction.

Only silver lining is that seems like their deaths would have been near instant due to the sub's implosion as opposed to slowly running out of oxygen.

I read it imploded days ago. That's pretty fucked up. It really, really shouldn't have been out in the water.

dancing_cactuar posted...

Only silver lining is that seems like their deaths would have been near instant due to the sub's implosion as opposed to slowly running out of oxygen.

Yea. I guess that whole 96 hours of air count down was irrelevant. They died days ago. Also likely meant those banging sounds was a red herring.