Current Events > Another mass shootings :( this time at a child's birthday party.

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justaguy3492 posted...

It's wild how obtuse you're being. "Just take the guns" is the most ivory towered/sheltered take there is to dealing with this issue. Posting your platitudes on a message board won't do anything but move your nose further into the air.

CE loves going for the laziest, self-righteous approaches on things.

Its like the phrase in an ideal world means nothing to them.

CyricZ posted...

The fact that this hasn't even entered your head as a pragmatic solution shows where your mind is on the issue.

If you make the presumption that we will never as a society find a way beyond guns, then you've already given up.

No Way To Prevent This, Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

It's a cultural issue as much as anything. I agree restricting guns should be one of ways to solve the issue however that isn't the only thing that should be done and it's certainly not going to solve the cultural issue around gun ownership on its own.

CyricZ posted...

Like holy shit what does it say about a person's mind when they're like "oh how disappointing it wasn't an adult killing eight-year-olds instead it was teenagers shooting other teenagers. I can't properly dispense my thoughts and prayers if I'm morally conflicted on how I want to judge these people I've been conditioned to believe are basically bad adults".

Like.

Holy shit.

Oh that's not the reason. The thing that blocks the dispensing of thoughts and prayers are the identity/class of the victims.

They won't admit that though.

SHRlKE posted...

It's a cultural issue as much as anything. I agree restricting guns should be one of ways to solve the issue however that isn't the only thing that should be done and it's certainly not going to solve the cultural issue around gun ownership on its own.

its certainly better than not restricting guns. whatever else you guys choose to do, the crisis wont be solved without gun control. the statistics prove it no matter how many shitters say its "lazy"

CyricZ posted...

No platitude more empty than "if I could go back in time and not have a 2nd amendment".

The difference is that didn't make up the entirety of his post.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

keep denying statistics. you people will do literally anything about the mass shooting crisis except actually resolve it

You actually need a workable plan of action to make that a reality. Culturally, we are entrenched in guns. You need at least two generations of people to die off before it's even a possibility that we'd ever begin any kind of major restrictions. Physically, we are entrenched in guns. There are just too many to remove in any kind of short timeframe. We're talking decades at least.

I don't think such campaigning is bad or worthless, but it's not a solution to this current problem. It's a possible endpoint way down the line, spurred on by this current problem. There's also the reality that we're going to be dealing with high quality 3D printed guns at some point in the coming years as well, so any deranged person will be able to assemble one on their own anyway.

SHRlKE posted...

It's a cultural issue as much as anything. I agree restricting guns should be one of ways to solve the issue however that isn't the only thing that should be done and it's certainly not going to solve the cultural issue around gun ownership on its own.

So demand a new culture, and don't be so willing to give up because it's a big problem.

Thousands of people are standing up in their local legislatures. It's the reason those Democrats in TN were expelled. Nothing will happen if we don't demand it happen.

All it takes is a matter of will.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

its certainly better than not restricting guns. whatever else you guys choose to do, the crisis wont be solved without gun control. the statistics prove it no matter how many shitters say its "lazy"

I agree. But I also feel that while a lot of the gun nuts are very much blinkered on "don't restrict guns that won't solve it" the anti-gun people also never seem to appreciate it's going to require a multi faceted solution and, while restricting guns will definitely help, it's not the only piece of that puzzle.

CyricZ posted...

So demand a new culture, and don't be so willing to give up because it's a big problem.

Thousands of people are standing up in their local legislatures. It's the reason those Democrats in TN were expelled. Nothing will happen if we don't demand it happen.

All it takes is a matter of will.

This is the issue though. "just ban guns" is a very easy slogan to get behind whereas "get a new culture" is a lot more complicated so people don't bother with that messaging even though ultimately this is just as important as banning the guns in the first place.

I think this brings incidents to 140 for the year now.

Unfortunately, I think at this rate, I think the US may cross 730 incidents by new year eve.

Nemu posted...

You actually need a workable plan of action to make that a reality. Culturally, we are entrenched in guns. You need at least two generations of people to die off before it's even a possibility that we'd ever begin any kind of major restrictions. Physically, we are entrenched in guns. There are just too many to remove in any kind of short timeframe. We're talking decades at least.

I don't think such campaigning is bad or worthless, but it's not a solution to this current problem. It's a possible endpoint way down the line, spurred on by this current problem. There's also the reality that we're going to be dealing with high quality 3D printed guns at some point in the coming years as well, so any deranged person will be able to assemble one on their own anyway.

There is no solution to the current problem that is going to be even remotely close to an instant fix. The decades long solution is the solution, but it has to actually start at some point.

Tenlaar posted...

The decades long solution is the solution, but it has to actually start at some point.

Yup completely agree.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

its certainly better than not restricting guns. whatever else you guys choose to do, the crisis wont be solved without gun control. the statistics prove it no matter how many shitters say its "lazy"

I 100% agree strict gun control would solve most of the problem. I'm saying that in this country there is a sizable portion of the population who will vote against gun control every chance they get (not to mention politicians who are in the gun lobbies pocket); so "just take the guns" isn't a pragmatic approach. Yes I will continue to vote for candidate who have strong positions on gun control, but in the mean time we need to be addressing the problem in other ways such as after school/community programs, increasing economic prospects in at risk neighborhoods, expanding access to trauma counseling, etc. My original post was simply trying to point out the motives behind "gang" shootings and those seeking to do the most amount of harm in a public place are completely different and need to be addressed as such.

Tenlaar posted...

There is no solution to the current problem that is going to be even remotely close to an instant fix. The decades long solution is the solution, but it has to actually start at some point.

In that case, it has started, and it is currently in progress. There will be no major ground found in the next number of years. You need the current couple generations being most affected by gun violence to reach voting age, and you need the older generations to die off. This will not happen without a major cultural shift that sees guns as unnecessary. Though it's still going to have a lot of pushbacks.

Another perfectly normal day in a perfectly normal country.

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When you consider a suicides are around 60% of "gun violence" and a good chunk of those are self euthanasia then yeah, that's padding stats.

Also, when you have a group of people who try to trivialize inner city gang violence at every corner EXCEPT when it helps ban guns it is sorta telling.

youenjoymyself1 posted...

When you consider a suicides are around 60% of "gun violence" and a good chunk of those are self euthanasia then yeah, that's padding stats.

Why do suicides not count as violence?

Also, when you have a group of people who try to trivialize inner city gang violence at every corner EXCEPT when it helps ban guns it is sorta telling.

Who's doing that?

You should not, under any circumstances, engage with an account made within the last three months.

CyricZ posted...

Why do suicides not count as violence?

If someone has a terminal illness and offs themselves with a gun you really think that statistic should be used in favor of banning them?

You wouldn't say doctor assisted suicides for such people is violence, but only like 10 states allow that, and not everyone can afford that. That would be basically gatekeeping/paywalling self euthanasia.

CyricZ posted...

Who's doing that?

The politicians who run those cities who want to get reelected and those who support those politicians.

AmericaTheBrave posted...

Obviously it's still tragic.

Just saying trying to tie this to mass shootings is a bit misleading. Even if it is technically a mass shooting, it's indicative of a different problem.

Chud tries deflection! It wasn't very effective!

Cheetaluv posted...

Stop being offended by what he said and attacking him, at the end he is right. I came in this topic expecting little kids. Sad this happen and still tragic but the thought process was little kids. So don't pretend its the same shit.

Chud 2 tries "defend chud positions"!

It also wasn't very effective!

youenjoymyself1 posted...

If someone has a terminal illness and offs themselves with a gun

Terminal illness is not the case in most suicides, and research shows that small barriers can in fact reduce the overall rate:
https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/449144

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/12/preventing-suicide-jumps-high-line-vessel-golden-gate-bridge/672527/

A 2021 study found that nearly three-quarters of those who were hospitalized following a suicide attempt reported that they had made the decision to end their life within three hours of the attempt. More than a third had decided less than five minutes before.

Did the shooter die too?

Can't believe I got modded.

Holy shit, I didn't hear about this over the weekend. Really tragic, but also really bizarre. 4 dead and 32 others injured, but it sounds like the shooter left before police got there.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/19/us/dadeville-alabama-birthday-party-shooting-wednesday/index.html

The suspects Ty Reik McCullough, 17, and Travis McCullough, 16, both of Tuskegee were arrested Tuesday and charged with four counts of reckless murder each, he said.

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