Board 8 > Tekken Mafia Topic 2 - Get ready for the next battle!

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See I would be much more inclined to buy that you were trying to analyze the votes on you, if your first instinct was not to focus on IGCDs vote with "lol IGCD is always bad with votes"

I am assuming IGCD is not a suspect for voting you?

I am mildly surprised Sbell didnt know my stance on no lynching

Thats the first thing hes done that made me think maybe he is scum

htaeD posted...

See I would be much more inclined to buy that you were trying to analyze the votes on you, if your first instinct was not to focus on IGCDs vote with "lol IGCD is always bad with votes"

I am assuming IGCD is not a suspect for voting you?

Not currently no. I think is something like 0/5 thinking I am scum when I am town and 0/3 thinking Im town when Im scum.

Its truly quite extraordinary

UltimaterializerX posted...

We just did a no lynch on day 1 and scum was in favor of it tho.

All vig game doesnt count. What the hell were people waiting for?

Literally the only time no lynching is completely useless

I think with your logic to get as much info as possible, NL is still a worse plan than the alternatives

I disagree with plum entirely about day 1s but i think he's town here.

I've said it before I'll say it again, I'd rather be special'd than see there be NL

htaeD posted...

I think with your logic to get as much info as possible, NL is still a worse plan than the alternatives

I dont agree, but I can see why you would think that way

masterplum posted...

I am mildly surprised Sbell didnt know my stance on no lynching

Thats the first thing hes done that made me think maybe he is scum

There is a tiny tiny section of my brain that holds onto random details about mafia games and their players. Your penchant for not lynching on day 1 is not something I've retained. Its quite possible this very conversation will create a bookmark and it will become a remembered fact, however i fear what it will be replacing.

Also the fact that you didn't care to find out Lopens actual reason for voting you can also come across as you not wanting Lopen to share his suspicion with the rest of us.

Peace___Frog posted...

I disagree with plum entirely about day 1s but i think he's town here.

You cat just say that and not explain

Because his response feels like town to me.

At risk of echoing myself from every other game, death, i agree with sbell that your reads look lazy so far.

At risk of echoing myself from every other game, death, i agree with sbell that your reads look lazy so far.

I suppose you wont be amazed then by my read that I think you're acting like the townPeaf I know. Tunnelvision and all.
You repeating yourself would be good for you (annoying for me perhaps, but I can deal with that)
For the sake of clarity then
I also have Sbell as town, Red sorta as town but he's fallen off the radar since then
Ben Lea and Lopen I have liked so far.
Kirby I am neutral about but dont feel bad about him.
Ulti I would need to do a proper comparison of (with his past plays) before I can decide whether or not he really is different. Same with Wallz
I am leaning town on HB because he seems to be more reckless with his opinions than I think he would be as scum.

The rest (Abacus, Isquen, Mzero, IGCD) has either been too busy, too jokey or too quiet for me to have a proper read on them.

I was going to have doubts about plum but then he went and did smooth brain wizened cop scan ranting and I feel better again.

Peace___Frog posted...

Because his response feels like town to me.

At risk of echoing myself from every other game, death, i agree with sbell that your reads look lazy so far.

This isn't how town plum has responded the last several games so please elaborate. I had a range of town responses I was expecting and this was none of them.

I would like you to tell me how this is different

I don't have a good enough memory with plum to point to any specific game for comparison. It's just a vibe.

I don't like it or agree with it but i don't think it's scummy right now.

PunishedBen posted...

Can't believe I re-read the Baby gravy sentence like 4 times trying to figure out what you were talking about

I'm reminded of one of the Charizard mafias where I was scum with boko and greengravy and one of them was named baby gravy on the scumboard and the other was gravy baby

It was very confusing

this was important enough to interrupt my reading

htaeD posted...

Kirby, has Ben done anything to ping your radar now?

Aside from voting me with a very shaky foundation, the only time my Ben scumdar was pinged thus far was when he went a long period without posting and started off his comeback with that really dumb joke about Sbell's "blew me away" post.

It made me do a double-take, thinking, "Does town Ben do this as the first thing he posts upon returning?" but I dismissed it since it was a joke post in the end. Hence why I never really said anything about it.

Also, I'm still not following this argument on Plum. He's scum because... he defended Ulti? That's the argument? Or am I missing something here.

Kirby321 posted...

OMGUS is likely getting in the way here, but I can't tell if you're confidently incorrect town or just scum trying to get the drop on me before I could make a solid read on you.

Not a third option? I'll be honest I would have expected you to default to this third option if town in this scenario

PunishedBen posted...

Not a third option? I'll be honest I would have expected you to default to this third option if town in this scenario

?

You're either scum or town. Or I suppose you could be third-party, but why would I assume there's a third party this early into the game?

What third option are you talking about?

masterplum posted...

I would like you to tell me how this is different

It's just a lot of effort put into being outraged and honestly I don't think I believe you on the no lynch thing. I was expecting either a "I don't give a crap later" or actual effort put into solving the game.

You want to convince me you're town have an earnest discussion with me about how town solves the game without lynches taking place. Yes it would be nice to not risk a lynch day 1. However arguments are nothing without stakes and if you just no lynch you get no usable information out of day 1 aside from the night kill unless a scanner claims day 2 (which they shouldn't, generally).

Check my last few games if you don't believe me.

A search of "No lynch" should probably find you some evidence

No no no I'm not saying you're outright lying. That would be a foolish gambit

I'm saying explain to me your vision for how mafia games are solved by NL. Why town is stupid for trying to make reads day 1.

Aria would stan for NL all the time but she was never condescending about it. I believe you believe it I don't believe you would actually post wrinkle brain smooth brain graphs about waiting for scans.

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Leaning town on Sbell.

Loud wrong Sbell is usually town

This is townplum from Xenoblade 3 Mafia
This establishes that loud wrong is just a common term for him. Though this only brings that down to a nultell for me since Plum could just have a persistent mind of phrases

Also it makes more sense in that context since Sbell literally called Plum scum in that game.

I know "loud wrong" is a common term for him but he needs to use it when it makes sense.

Lopen posted...

No no no I'm not saying you're outright lying. That would be a foolish gambit

I'm saying explain to me your vision for how mafia games are solved by NL. Why town is stupid for trying to make reads day 1.

Aria would stan for NL all the time but she was never condescending about it. I believe you believe it I don't believe you would actually post wrinkle brain smooth brain graphs about waiting for scans.

Town isn't stupid for making reads

Town is stupid for lynching people off of reads. Reads are great for making hypothesis that lead to power actions.

Then D2 you have a night kill. Why did scum kill that person? Who did that person suspect? Who incorrectly suspected that person?

And take it from there

And the picture was more of a joke than anything else.

I just find it amusing that absolute terrible players always just assume you have to NL, and the next step up is never NL, and I think the actual correct play is to NL about 50% to 75% of the time D1

This No Lynch discussion does not seem alignment indicative of anyone and feels just as tangential as the little exchange between Peaf, Ben, and I about Tidus.

While I can believe that you may have supported NLs before, Plum. (and I am sure I will come across you saying so in the archives soon enough)
I find it hard to believe that you are against using reads to this extent

In your last game you were lynched well after day1 when there should technically be plenty of info for everyone to use.
Before that you were lynched day1, but not because of reads. You were lynched in XB3 Mafia because you were dealt that unfortunate Cobra Kai flavor.

Also Kirby where do you want to go yourself? Its hard to tell but I hear you stop arguments more often than start them. (Even if I do agree the NL question itself is fruitless since I doubt Plum lied about that part)

Its less of a townlean and more of a 'I just like your posts and havent seen anything questionable' lean
Everything you said has made sense (or made me laugh) even if I dont always agree.

In hindsight I could have put HB above you, but that still felt wrong to me lol.

masterplum posted...

Town isn't stupid for making reads

Town is stupid for lynching people off of reads. Reads are great for making hypothesis that lead to power actions.

How do you gain an accurate read if you're going to NL.

Reads without stakes are not nearly as useful

Death has your read of Lea changed over the course of the game at all

Lopen posted...

How do you gain an accurate read if you're going to NL.

Reads without stakes are not nearly as useful

Not everyone will ever agree. We aren't borg

Not greatly.
I admittedly do like her a bit more now since she went after Kirby. She stayed in the background before that for a while, having her fun.

Before that the only time I actively noticed something potentially off about her was when it became clear to me that she was still doing the 'I got my favorite character' thing.
But I think she is just larping about that.

Paper Mario Mafia (SBell and Plum are scum together):

Sbell Posted:

Are we seriously considering scum sultan here?

This is classic town sultan, theres no content, its morning, he re-reads and then questions isquens breadcrumbs instead of just absorbing it like the rest of us.

Plum Posted:
Now this is the loud wrong town sbell post I was looking for

I dont think that helps anything though.

I believe in Death.

masterplum posted...

Not everyone will ever agree. We aren't borg

Elaborate on what this means

No everyone won't agree but how does this refute my point.

Lea posted...

How would you describe my posts in Star Trek mafia?

I will be honest and say I didn't retain much of the game after I got shot night1.
You were good at bussing and using that is what I remember, but thats not really useful for analysis on day1.

Though if Kirby flips scum, I am gonna mentally scream

Oh right you were responsible for that too. My mental blocks are stronger than I thought.

Thats a point in your favor then I suppose, since your vote on Kirby is not even argued half as nonsensical as your vote on me then was.

And like I said, Lili is the best character