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Questionmarktarius
03/10/23 10:50:56 AM
#301:


If anything, this is why more "indie" vtubers need to emerge.
Who do we have, Arlo?
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Darkfire12
03/10/23 11:11:10 AM
#302:


LordFarquad1312 posted...
No, I think it's good they made the reasons for her termination public. They also state that they gave her a chance and training and she refused, so fair next.
Listing them off for the sake of transparency is a nice idea, but the fact of the matter's that there's now an official list directly from the company giving antis all the reasons they could ever want to go harass her. Niji knew what they were doing with the list and intentionally went through with it

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CyricZ
03/10/23 11:22:10 AM
#303:


Darkfire12 posted...
giving antis all the reasons they could ever want to go harass her
If there's one thing I've learned of antis in these years is they never actually need a good reason.

And no business decision should ever lead with "but what will the antis do".

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Darkfire12
03/10/23 11:34:42 AM
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CyricZ posted...
If there's one thing I've learned of antis in these years is they never actually need a good reason.

And no business decision should ever lead with "but what will the antis do".
You're right on both counts, but I don't see how this would be a good business decision in any way. I guess if they wanted to make an example out of her this would be the way, but I don't see why they'd need to want to.

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1337toothbrush
03/10/23 12:11:23 PM
#305:


Questionmarktarius posted...
If anything, this is why more "indie" vtubers need to emerge.
Who do we have, Arlo?
There are tons of indies. In fact, Zaion was an indie: https://twitter.com/sayuokami

but I guess she couldn't adjust to corporate life. She may re-debut as an indie.

Darkfire12 posted...
Listing them off for the sake of transparency is a nice idea, but the fact of the matter's that there's now an official list directly from the company giving antis all the reasons they could ever want to go harass her. Niji knew what they were doing with the list and intentionally went through with it
As if antis needed a reason. Most of the list was already known anyway.

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Voidgolem
03/10/23 1:02:45 PM
#306:


You can't win as a corpo, seems like. It's always either "they need to give more detail" or "wtf they gave too much detail"

From what little I see from bein' way down at the bottom of the rabbithole this is an entirely unsurprising thing to have happened. Move along.

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Questionmarktarius
03/10/23 1:08:19 PM
#307:


1337toothbrush posted...
There are tons of indies. In fact, Zaion was an indie: https://twitter.com/sayuokami

but I guess she couldn't adjust to corporate life. She may re-debut as an indie.
Vtuber companies need to stop being like WWE with rebranding everyone who goes "corporate".

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R_Jackal
03/10/23 1:15:32 PM
#308:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Vtuber companies need to stop being like WWE with rebranding everyone who goes "corporate".
Honestly it's probably simpler. I think Suisei is the only one that fought so hard to keep her image and that almost didn't go well for her in the beginning. Companies love being in control of "their IP".

Only thing remotely close I can think of is Pomus second costume(the maid one) legitimately being an alteration to her previous lives 2nd model that she only got to use for like a month and change iirc.
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NozomisHusband
03/10/23 1:50:21 PM
#309:


...Suisei's situation wasn't even remotely like Zaion's.

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R_Jackal
03/10/23 1:52:20 PM
#310:


NozomisHusband posted...
...Suisei's situation wasn't even remotely like Zaion's.
That wasn't about Zaion's situation but rather about how the big companies handle rebranding talents with new models and names.

For context, WWE tends to rebrand people who were wrestling in other companies even if they were doing so under their real name, so they can control merchandising rights.
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R_Jackal
03/10/23 4:03:58 PM
#311:


So having watched some of the "talks" about Zaion's situation, it seems like she kind of flipped a switch? It sounds like she got in trouble and became hostile pretty quickly.

Seems like, and mind this is just what I personally gathered from the relatively vague talks, over the course of the month it basically went:

She was given opportunities to train over the course of the month to fit the corporate structure, she didn't take them. She decided to fight to get privileges despite being on unstable ground during the month that are typically not granted(I'm assuming using her old accounts and the like). Her genmates tried to discuss the situation. Sounds like she got in to arguments with several genmates over this as well(Kotoka seemed particularly bothered by that as she said they'd talk for hours about how this is a huge opportunity for them both beforehand). From the sounds of it, she just... hurt everyone involved with her behavior, intentionally or not.

If I were in her boss's position, honestly, I'd probably have to fire her as well if that's how it ended up. I realize Nijisanji is given shit for the drama it brings, but I would say it sounds like this entire situation is on Zaion in this case. She got in trouble and decided to go the "well I'll just blow through like a hurricane then" route.

Regardless, still speculation on what I can put together and have heard. It's a shame really.
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NozomisHusband
03/10/23 4:29:06 PM
#312:


R_Jackal posted...
For context, WWE tends to rebrand people who were wrestling in other companies even if they were doing so under their real name, so they can control merchandising rights.

Well there is the case of what happened with Miori Celesta where she got to keep her model after Tsunderia went down and went indie, which is kinda funny considering one of Miori's friends DID "rebrand" into a bigger corpo, if I'm understanding the term correctly.

But yeah I don't think someone being able to keep their old model once they become a corpo vtuber is something that happens often, though my impression is that most probably don't want to rebrand their old vtuber/non-vtuber identity and instead go with a new one and keep the two separate because of instances like this of having something to fall back on.

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Renne
03/10/23 4:33:11 PM
#313:


R_Jackal posted...
The only reason you don't see it from Hololive is because they're managed like a traditional Japanese company
Thank goodness for that

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R_Jackal
03/10/23 5:34:58 PM
#314:


NozomisHusband posted...
Well there is the case of what happened with Miori Celesta where she got to keep her model after Tsunderia went down and went indie, which is kinda funny considering one of Miori's friends DID "rebrand" into a bigger corpo, if I'm understanding the term correctly.

But yeah I don't think someone being able to keep their old model once they become a corpo vtuber is something that happens often, though my impression is that most probably don't want to rebrand their old vtuber/non-vtuber identity and instead go with a new one and keep the two separate because of instances like this of having something to fall back on.

Miori(model and all) was originally from MyHoloTV who had to release her and all of her genmates due to funding issues at the time(iirc), and were reduced to -only- Liliana Vampaia. They gave the talents options to pay for their models outright and keep everything as a result so they could stay afloat. I think Miori was the only one who actually did. Several months later she was taken from indie with said model/name in to Tsunderia, and is now indie again. So her and her model have been through two what are essentially "career enders" in the biz and she's still doing fine. Been a fan of hers for a long time lol
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R_Jackal
03/10/23 7:01:41 PM
#315:


In better news, time for Pomu's new outfit! https://www.youtube.com/live/hCeTppLnHsQ

Enjoy for me since I can't, because I started my dinner on fire and have to cook. Again.
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1337toothbrush
03/10/23 7:31:24 PM
#316:


Also, there's an unarchived karaoke after that so make sure you catch that if you don't want to miss out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVYSEy_5HhA

edit: It's started.

Also, I think twitter's got me pegged:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/2/9/AAONleAAEQ9N.png

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R_Jackal
03/10/23 8:13:31 PM
#317:


Got here just in time for the karaoke. Nice.
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NozomisHusband
03/10/23 10:16:34 PM
#318:


R_Jackal posted...
Miori(model and all) was originally from MyHoloTV who had to release her and all of her genmates due to funding issues at the time(iirc), and were reduced to -only- Liliana Vampaia. They gave the talents options to pay for their models outright and keep everything as a result so they could stay afloat. I think Miori was the only one who actually did. Several months later she was taken from indie with said model/name in to Tsunderia, and is now indie again. So her and her model have been through two what are essentially "career enders" in the biz and she's still doing fine. Been a fan of hers for a long time lol

oh geez I completely forgot about MyHoloTV

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1337toothbrush
03/10/23 10:19:00 PM
#319:


Ame doing an unarchived karaoke: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU8EPYdkheo

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Renne
03/11/23 1:10:34 PM
#320:


https://youtu.be/k0usYxw3pko
This song is a banger wtf

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FL81
03/13/23 3:32:49 PM
#321:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Vtuber companies need to stop being like WWE with rebranding everyone who goes "corporate".
Vtubing and Pro Wrestling are the exact same thing though

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Questionmarktarius
03/13/23 3:42:15 PM
#322:


FL81 posted...
Vtubing and Pro Wrestling are the exact same thing though
only sometimes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSPdwI6WD6Y
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1337toothbrush
03/13/23 6:11:16 PM
#323:


This randomly popped up in my mind today:
https://twitter.com/hololive_En/status/1505038932966539265

Did that charity auction happen and how much did they raise?

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CyricZ
03/13/23 6:17:13 PM
#324:


Need bird for scale on that statue.

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1337toothbrush
03/13/23 6:23:42 PM
#325:


It's a 1/1 scale statue, so it should be 141cm tall.

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CyricZ
03/13/23 7:32:39 PM
#326:


Well from sneaker sole to top of hoodie, anyway.

The 3D collab showcase really put into stark clarity how tiny that sharkie is.

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1337toothbrush
03/13/23 11:08:11 PM
#327:


Kronii birthday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkJt2kg9RwQ

Did her voice get deeper or what?

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R_Jackal
03/13/23 11:18:09 PM
#328:


It does sound like her voice might be a bit deeper, actually.

Not surprising, I've had two friends get major dental surgery done in the past couple years, one of 'em came out with a completely different accent altogether.
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R_Jackal
03/13/23 11:43:54 PM
#329:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_kU4kHuCEs

Rosemi is fighting Senator Armstrong, getting mental trauma from trying to do the rocks with KBM.
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Renne
03/14/23 6:29:30 AM
#330:


This stream will be wonderful
https://youtu.be/7fIFY2BWepY

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Renne
03/14/23 10:25:13 AM
#331:


Renne posted...
This stream will be wonderful
https://youtu.be/7fIFY2BWepY
Miko plans on fighting 35p online with their own created wrestlers in the future. That's going to be hilari ous.

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R_Jackal
03/14/23 10:33:19 AM
#332:


Axel recruited Selen to his VSaikyo team apparently
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Renne
03/15/23 5:12:07 AM
#333:


https://youtu.be/CfUIwzDo4HE
I really really really like this

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R_Jackal
03/16/23 10:55:28 AM
#334:


Looks like Axel's final VSaikyo team is Selen and Altare.

Honestly, I'm just interested in that team dynamic there lol

Apparently Selen was originally not going to be allowed to compete for some reason(sounds like issues with her previous lifes rankings and some other issues) but Axel apparently pushed for it and sprung it on her as a surprise because he heard it was a dream of hers to be in the tournament.
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Renne
03/16/23 1:55:28 PM
#335:


Anyone else plan on watching Holofes?


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Voidgolem
03/16/23 9:29:35 PM
#336:


yep

3 AM's rough but it was rough last year too, still say it's worthwhile tunin' in and even moreso now that they've got an even wider roster up there

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MabinogiFan
03/16/23 10:19:47 PM
#337:


I'll be content looking at screenshots of the concert and whatever clips Cover puts out. Not really interested in spending $150 for 7-8 hours of concert. And since Japan is open, 3D debuts for CouncilRys and ID2 might not take forever like Myth.
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Ushiromiya
03/16/23 10:33:27 PM
#338:


I usually skim through them after the fact.

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Puglia77
03/16/23 11:04:35 PM
#339:


MabinogiFan posted...
I'll be content looking at screenshots of the concert and whatever clips Cover puts out. Not really interested in spending $150 for 7-8 hours of concert. And since Japan is open, 3D debuts for CouncilRys and ID2 might not take forever like Myth.
Just use the free streaming site that vt uses. I used it to watch 3rd fes and Suisei's concert, certainly they'll stream, 4th fes.

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R_Jackal
03/17/23 9:51:01 AM
#340:


For those that like Apex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vKBrdUXcKQ

Looks like they're being coached by RPR too.
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Ushiromiya
03/17/23 10:14:21 AM
#341:


Yeah, just temp coaching for today's practice. Their actual coach(es) should be announced some time soon.

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MabinogiFan
03/17/23 12:11:08 PM
#342:


Puglia77 posted...
Just use the free streaming site that vt uses. I used it to watch 3rd fes and Suisei's concert, certainly they'll stream, 4th fes.
The concerts also start at 5am for me so yeah.
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Renne
03/17/23 6:05:06 PM
#343:


I would have paid for the other events behind a paywall like the Sister Marine stuff but that timeframe is the only time I'll be able to get sleep the next few days

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Renne
03/18/23 8:51:46 AM
#344:


Day 1 was fucking excellent

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R_Jackal
03/18/23 10:17:03 AM
#345:


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Renne
03/18/23 12:28:39 PM
#346:


3D Moom cute

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/1/1/AAe7z7AAEStb.jpg

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R_Jackal
03/18/23 11:36:17 PM
#347:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOvfHzbQ2fU

Make your own adventure stream from Millie up, she usually does them pretty well despite the fact she always gets way too nervous.

Also, Uruka released an original song it's pretty damn good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4WR_MupVsU
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Renne
03/19/23 5:52:34 AM
#348:


she did it again
https://i.imgur.com/lVeylx4.mp4

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CyricZ
03/19/23 10:12:48 AM
#349:


Renne posted...
she did it again
Ain't nothing that doggo can't do.

Also HoloGura

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gC-m5rfmIU

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Renne
03/19/23 12:33:51 PM
#350:


I think my favorite day 1 solo performance was Laplus, she's got some moves. For day 2 Gura, she had a ton of energy and sang the song well. For groups I really liked HoloX and WataSora day 1 and Shion and Gura day 2 the most

I thought some of the day 2 heavy hitters like Suisei and Towa were kind of underwhelming, but it's more likely that they were their usual selves and it's hard to constantly one-up yourself

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