Current Events > As divisive as TLJ is...the Holdo maneuver is a top ten Star Wars moment.

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BakonBitz 12/17/22 4:54:37 PM #1:	Just have to say it. TROS and other Star Wars media should've explained better why it can't be replicated other than it being "one in a million", but it was great to watch. --- Game collection: http://www.backloggery.com/bakonbitz Gaming channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwVQm69J7bGScbv3_50C0dA <cite>BakonBitz posted [p:970232740] in As divisiv... [t:80280419]...</cite> <quote>Just have to say it. TROS and other Star Wars media should've explained better why it can't be replicated other than it being "one in a million", but it was great to watch.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThanksUglyGod 12/17/22 4:57:51 PM #2:	It's `PURE CINEMA`, bay-bee! <cite>ThanksUglyGod posted [p:970232815] in As divisiv... [t:80280419]...</cite> <quote>It's PURE CINEMA, bay-bee!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Touch 12/17/22 4:59:10 PM #3:	Hold the maneuver --- Did anything ever really count Or was I just a two year practice round? <cite>Touch posted [p:970232841] in As divisiv... [t:80280419]...</cite> <quote>Hold the maneuver</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TMOG 12/17/22 5:01:29 PM #4:	I actually liked The Last Jedi for at least attempting to push the main franchise in a new direction, as opposed to the Abrams movies that just stubbornly clung to being exactly what people expected. <cite>TMOG posted [p:970232897] in As divisiv... [t:80280419]...</cite> <quote>I actually liked The Last Jedi for at least attempting to push the main franchise in a new direction, as opposed to the Abrams movies that just stubbornly clung to being exactly what people expected.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FAQ-Checker 12/17/22 5:02:39 PM #5:	BakonBitz posted... Just have to say it. TROS and other Star Wars media should've explained better why it can't be replicated other than it being "one in a million", but it was great to watch. Was it though? It wasn't even unique. I mean, Riker was going to have Wesley ram a Borg cube at warp. Scifi is full of ships slamming into other ships while in their FTL modes. <cite>FAQ-Checker posted [p:970232928] in As divisiv... [t:80280419]...</cite> <quote>BakonBitz posted... </cite><quote>Just have to say it. TROS and other Star Wars media should've explained better why it can't be replicated other than it being "one in a million", but it was great to watch.</quote>Was it though? It wasn't even unique. I mean, Riker was going to have Wesley ram a Borg cube at warp. Scifi is full of ships slamming into other ships while in their FTL modes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 12/17/22 5:03:32 PM #6:	TMOG posted... I actually liked The Last Jedi for at least attempting to push the main franchise in a new direction, as opposed to the Abrams movies that just stubbornly clung to being exactly what people expected. I don't even understand how TLJ "shook things up". Like, just because it wasn't pure fan fiction? --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:970232950] in As divisiv... [t:80280419]...</cite> <quote>TMOG posted... </cite><quote>I actually liked The Last Jedi for at least attempting to push the main franchise in a new direction, as opposed to the Abrams movies that just stubbornly clung to being exactly what people expected.</quote>I don't even understand how TLJ "shook things up". Like, just because it wasn't pure fan fiction?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heineken14 12/17/22 5:05:10 PM #7:	TMOG posted... I actually liked The Last Jedi for at least attempting to push the main franchise in a new direction, as opposed to the Abrams movies that just stubbornly clung to being exactly what people expected. Yeah. I liked the ideas it was presenting. The whole not making the universe the size of a studio apartment in that every single fucking major person who interacts with each other are all from the same like 2 families. Then Skywalker came and was like lololol naaaaah, Rey isn't a nobody, she's a grand daughter to ~~Palpatine~~! --- Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. <cite>Heineken14 posted [p:970233003] in As divisiv... [t:80280419]...</cite> <quote>TMOG posted...</cite><quote>I actually liked The Last Jedi for at least attempting to push the main franchise in a new direction, as opposed to the Abrams movies that just stubbornly clung to being exactly what people expected.</quote>Yeah. I liked the ideas it was presenting. The whole not making the universe the size of a studio apartment in that every single fucking major person who interacts with each other are all from the same like 2 families. Then Skywalker came and was like lololol naaaaah, Rey isn't a nobody, she's a grand daughter to Palpatine!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pauIie 12/17/22 5:10:27 PM #9:	TMOG posted... I actually liked The Last Jedi for at least attempting to push the main franchise in a new direction, as opposed to the Abrams movies that just stubbornly clung to being exactly what people expected. it's a middle of the pack movie for me. but i do like that rj tried to make the heritage of rey not involve a bloodline. star wars needs to get away from strictly dark side v light side / skywalker and palpatine shit imo. --- http://i.imgur.com/O5APL.jpg http://www.last.fm/user/jaeganja <cite>pauIie posted [p:970233156] in As divisiv... [t:80280419]...</cite> <quote>TMOG posted... </cite><quote>I actually liked The Last Jedi for at least attempting to push the main franchise in a new direction, as opposed to the Abrams movies that just stubbornly clung to being exactly what people expected.</quote>it's a middle of the pack movie for me. but i do like that rj tried to make the heritage of rey not involve a bloodline. star wars needs to get away from strictly dark side v light side / skywalker and palpatine shit imo.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TMOG 12/17/22 5:11:45 PM #10:	COVxy posted... I don't even understand how TLJ "shook things up". Like, just because it wasn't pure fan fiction? Just gonna go ahead and spoiler tag this entire post ~~Yoda burning the Jedi books to put an end to the Jedi Order~~ ~~Establishing that Rey's parents were absolute nobodies and she wasn't related to a past character~~ ~~Decimating the Resistance so the Empire/Rebels 2.0 storyline could end~~ ~~Killing Snoke and transferring his power to Kylo so he could be more than "younger, angrier Darth Vader"~~ The first two bullet points, in addition to the reveal of other Force-sensitives awakening in places like that stupid casino planet, would have set it up so there could still be lightsabers and stuff but not as black-and-white as Jedi vs. Sith. It could have set the franchise up for more varieties of conflict, but Abrams threw literally everything out with Rise of Skywalker and reset everything back to the status quo. <cite>TMOG posted [p:970233187] in As divisiv... [t:80280419]...</cite> <quote>COVxy posted... </cite><quote>I don't even understand how TLJ "shook things up". Like, just because it wasn't pure fan fiction?</quote>Just gonna go ahead and spoiler tag this entire postYoda burning the Jedi books to put an end to the Jedi OrderEstablishing that Rey's parents were absolute nobodies and she wasn't related to a past characterDecimating the Resistance so the Empire/Rebels 2.0 storyline could endKilling Snoke and transferring his power to Kylo so he could be more than "younger, angrier Darth Vader"The first two bullet points, in addition to the reveal of other Force-sensitives awakening in places like that stupid casino planet, would have set it up so there could still be lightsabers and stuff but not as black-and-white as Jedi vs. Sith. It could have set the franchise up for more varieties of conflict, but Abrams threw literally everything out with Rise of Skywalker and reset everything back to the status quo.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dummy420 12/17/22 5:11:58 PM #11:	I would have been ok with the holdo maneuver if it had a good explanation. New technology, different ship drive. Instead the explanation was that she was the first one to think of ramming a ship light speed. Making all previous characters stupid for not thinking of an OP first/last resort. --- Trying is the first step towards failure, so just dont give it a shot and you cant dissapoint. <cite>dummy420 posted [p:970233196] in As divisiv... [t:80280419]...</cite> <quote>I would have been ok with the holdo maneuver if it had a good explanation. New technology, different ship drive. Instead the explanation was that she was the first one to think of ramming a ship light speed. Making all previous characters stupid for not thinking of an OP first/last resort.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TMOG 12/17/22 5:14:02 PM #13:	cjsdowg posted... What was the new direction? See post 10, I'm not typing it a second time <cite>TMOG posted [p:970233240] in As divisiv... [t:80280419]...</cite> <quote>cjsdowg posted... </cite><quote>What was the new direction?</quote>See post 10, I'm not typing it a second time</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 12/17/22 5:17:15 PM #14:	TMOG posted... Just gonna go ahead and spoiler tag this entire post * ~~Yoda burning the Jedi books to put an end to the Jedi Order~~ * ~~Establishing that Rey's parents were absolute nobodies and she wasn't related to a past character~~ * ~~Decimating the Resistance so the Empire/Rebels 2.0 storyline could end~~ * ~~Killing Snoke and transferring his power to Kylo so he could be more than "younger, angrier Darth Vader"~~ The first two bullet points, in addition to the reveal of other Force-sensitives awakening in places like that stupid casino planet, would have set it up so there could still be lightsabers and stuff but not as black-and-white as Jedi vs. Sith. It could have set the franchise up for more varieties of conflict, but Abrams threw literally everything out with Rise of Skywalker and reset everything back to the status quo. ~~Rey took the books with her.~~ ~~Most people from Star Wars where nobodies. Besides Luke almost every Jedi we know came from normal parents.~~ ~~How would that end the story line. The good guys still had to fight them.~~ ~~Johnson made him the love interest, so he could not go that rout.~~ --- To be a poor man is hard, but to be a poor race in a land of dollars is the very bottom of hardships. W.E.B. Du Bois <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:970233300] in As divisiv... [t:80280419]...</cite> <quote>TMOG posted... </cite><quote>Just gonna go ahead and spoiler tag this entire post* Yoda burning the Jedi books to put an end to the Jedi Order* Establishing that Rey's parents were absolute nobodies and she wasn't related to a past character* Decimating the Resistance so the Empire/Rebels 2.0 storyline could end* Killing Snoke and transferring his power to Kylo so he could be more than "younger, angrier Darth Vader"The first two bullet points, in addition to the reveal of other Force-sensitives awakening in places like that stupid casino planet, would have set it up so there could still be lightsabers and stuff but not as black-and-white as Jedi vs. Sith. It could have set the franchise up for more varieties of conflict, but Abrams threw literally everything out with Rise of Skywalker and reset everything back to the status quo.</quote>Rey took the books with her.Most people from Star Wars where nobodies. Besides Luke almost every Jedi we know came from normal parents. How would that end the story line. The good guys still had to fight them.Johnson made him the love interest, so he could not go that rout. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RenescoStCewl 12/17/22 7:00:57 PM #15:	TMOG posted... Just gonna go ahead and spoiler tag this entire post * ~~Yoda burning the Jedi books to put an end to the Jedi Order~~ * ~~Establishing that Rey's parents were absolute nobodies and she wasn't related to a past character~~ * ~~Decimating the Resistance so the Empire/Rebels 2.0 storyline could end~~ * ~~Killing Snoke and transferring his power to Kylo so he could be more than "younger, angrier Darth Vader"~~ The first two bullet points, in addition to the reveal of other Force-sensitives awakening in places like that stupid casino planet, would have set it up so there could still be lightsabers and stuff but not as black-and-white as Jedi vs. Sith. It could have set the franchise up for more varieties of conflict, but Abrams threw literally everything out with Rise of Skywalker and reset everything back to the status quo. If jedi ghosts can shoot lightning then why aren't they taking out the bad guys themselves saying billions of lives --- He/him <cite>RenescoStCewl posted [p:970235352] in As divisiv... [t:80280419]...</cite> <quote>TMOG posted... </cite><quote>Just gonna go ahead and spoiler tag this entire post* Yoda burning the Jedi books to put an end to the Jedi Order* Establishing that Rey's parents were absolute nobodies and she wasn't related to a past character* Decimating the Resistance so the Empire/Rebels 2.0 storyline could end* Killing Snoke and transferring his power to Kylo so he could be more than "younger, angrier Darth Vader"The first two bullet points, in addition to the reveal of other Force-sensitives awakening in places like that stupid casino planet, would have set it up so there could still be lightsabers and stuff but not as black-and-white as Jedi vs. Sith. It could have set the franchise up for more varieties of conflict, but Abrams threw literally everything out with Rise of Skywalker and reset everything back to the status quo.</quote>If jedi ghosts can shoot lightning then why aren't they taking out the bad guys themselves saying billions of lives</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
specialkid8 12/17/22 7:08:43 PM #16:	I don't know why people had such a problem with it to begin with. Why do you think a suicide plan would ever be someone's first plan. "But why don't they shoot ships with no one in them at other ships? " I don't know. Why don't we do that now? Certainly putting a brick on the pedal of a truck loaded with C4 would take out any vehicle or building. Why isn't that standard military procedure? Oh that's right, because that's nonsense. --- https://i.imgur.com/AUXKMK4.jpg <cite>specialkid8 posted [p:970235515] in As divisiv... [t:80280419]...</cite> <quote>I don't know why people had such a problem with it to begin with. Why do you think a suicide plan would ever be someone's first plan. "But why don't they shoot ships with no one in them at other ships? "I don't know. Why don't we do that now? Certainly putting a brick on the pedal of a truck loaded with C4 would take out any vehicle or building. Why isn't that standard military procedure? Oh that's right, because that's nonsense. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sphyx 12/17/22 7:11:02 PM #17:	There were a lot of things I took issue with in that movie, but I was fine with that one scene. --- You're so vain, You probably think this sig is about you. <cite>Sphyx posted [p:970235576] in As divisiv... [t:80280419]...</cite> <quote>There were a lot of things I took issue with in that movie, but I was fine with that one scene.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Delta_Force 12/17/22 7:19:07 PM #19:	How do you jump a shark in space? RJ: hold my subversion. --- More Bush on Obama's Clinton! What the hell does "should of" mean? <cite>Delta_Force posted [p:970235753] in As divisiv... [t:80280419]...</cite> <quote>How do you jump a shark in space?RJ: hold my subversion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ForsakenHermit 12/17/22 7:25:40 PM #20:	If you really think about it shouldn't slamming into a star ship at FTL be far more devastating than what was shown on screen? --- Beware the fanatic! Too often his cure is deadlier by far than the evil he denounces!-Stan Lee RIP Make Arcades Great Again! <cite>ForsakenHermit posted [p:970235885] in As divisiv... [t:80280419]...</cite> <quote>If you really think about it shouldn't slamming into a star ship at FTL be far more devastating than what was shown on screen?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bache 12/17/22 7:26:44 PM #21:	These movies were great action movies but awful awful Starwars movies. --- best ship girl <cite>Bache posted [p:970235899] in As divisiv... [t:80280419]...</cite> <quote>These movies were great action movies but awful awful Starwars movies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Delta_Force 12/17/22 7:27:01 PM #22:	ForsakenHermit posted... If you really think about it shouldn't slamming into a star ship at FTL be far more devastating than what was shown on screen? I'mma stop you right there. Don't try to put any thought into the stupid, it gets us nowhere. --- More Bush on Obama's Clinton! What the hell does "should of" mean? <cite>Delta_Force posted [p:970235904] in As divisiv... [t:80280419]...</cite> <quote>ForsakenHermit posted... </cite><quote>If you really think about it shouldn't slamming into a star ship at FTL be far more devastating than what was shown on screen?</quote>I'mma stop you right there. Don't try to put any thought into the stupid, it gets us nowhere.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 12/17/22 7:27:18 PM #23:	ForsakenHermit posted... If you really think about it shouldn't slamming into a star ship at FTL be far more devastating than what was shown on screen? Nothing *should* be anything because it's made up physics. Literally chickens could pop out of the explosion and that would be just as "reasonable". --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:970235907] in As divisiv... [t:80280419]...</cite> <quote>ForsakenHermit posted... </cite><quote>If you really think about it shouldn't slamming into a star ship at FTL be far more devastating than what was shown on screen?</quote>Nothing should be anything because it's made up physics. Literally chickens could pop out of the explosion and that would be just as "reasonable".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TMOG 12/17/22 7:27:48 PM #24:	cjsdowg posted... ~~Rey took the books with her.~~ ~~Most people from Star Wars where nobodies. Besides Luke almost every Jedi we know came from normal parents.~~ ~~How would that end the story line. The good guys still had to fight them.~~ ~~Johnson made him the love interest, so he could not go that rout.~~ Just because she had a few books doesn't mean she intended to rebuild the Jedi order. Luke only gave her a very basic training and was still holding out on her, so she likely stole them to keep training on her own terms. If you steal a science book it doesn't mean you plan to train more science teachers, it just means you want to learn science. We know very, very few family histories of named Jedi, and half of them are Skywalkers or in some way connected to the family. Rey not being part of an established heritage nor having a direct tie to one would have broken up that dynasty. They would have still had to fight them, yes, but with vastly diminished resources, far fewer soldiers, and nearly no support. TLJ set up a scenario where it was possible, and indeed likely, that the Resistance would end up losing the war against the New Order. Yes, and again, that's something that was set up in TLJ and not anything Abrams did. So it actually strengthens my argument that TLJ tried to push things in a new direction with the setting, plot AND characters. RenescoStCewl posted... If jedi ghosts can shoot lightning then why aren't they taking out the bad guys themselves saying billions of lives Being dead makes you lazy <cite>TMOG posted [p:970235919] in As divisiv... [t:80280419]...</cite> <quote>cjsdowg posted... </cite><quote>Rey took the books with her.Most people from Star Wars where nobodies. Besides Luke almost every Jedi we know came from normal parents. How would that end the story line. The good guys still had to fight them.Johnson made him the love interest, so he could not go that rout. </quote>Just because she had a few books doesn't mean she intended to rebuild the Jedi order. Luke only gave her a very basic training and was still holding out on her, so she likely stole them to keep training on her own terms. If you steal a science book it doesn't mean you plan to train more science teachers, it just means you want to learn science.We know very, very few family histories of named Jedi, and half of them are Skywalkers or in some way connected to the family. Rey not being part of an established heritage nor having a direct tie to one would have broken up that dynasty.They would have still had to fight them, yes, but with vastly diminished resources, far fewer soldiers, and nearly no support. TLJ set up a scenario where it was possible, and indeed likely, that the Resistance would end up losing the war against the New Order.Yes, and again, that's something that was set up in TLJ and not anything Abrams did. So it actually strengthens my argument that TLJ tried to push things in a new direction with the setting, plot AND characters.RenescoStCewl posted... </cite><quote>If jedi ghosts can shoot lightning then why aren't they taking out the bad guys themselves saying billions of lives</quote>Being dead makes you lazy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 12/17/22 7:28:44 PM #25:	Easily the best sequel trilogy movie by a long shot and that's a top 10 moment in the whole franchise. Haters gonna hate. --- http://i.imgur.com/x04tPRZ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/t7T392I.jpg <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:970235935] in As divisiv... [t:80280419]...</cite> <quote>Easily the best sequel trilogy movie by a long shot and that's a top 10 moment in the whole franchise. Haters gonna hate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FAQ-Checker 12/17/22 7:30:50 PM #26:	ForsakenHermit posted... If you really think about it shouldn't slamming into a star ship at FTL be far more devastating than what was shown on screen? No. I disagree with the whole premise because the ship shouldn't be moving anywhere near light-speed. Star Wars gets around the light speed barrier by having ships move into hyper space. The ships aren't traveling at light speed, they're side stepping around it. <cite>FAQ-Checker posted [p:970235966] in As divisiv... [t:80280419]...</cite> <quote>ForsakenHermit posted... </cite><quote>If you really think about it shouldn't slamming into a star ship at FTL be far more devastating than what was shown on screen?</quote>No. I disagree with the whole premise because the ship shouldn't be moving anywhere near light-speed. Star Wars gets around the light speed barrier by having ships move into hyper space. The ships aren't traveling at light speed, they're side stepping around it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lilORANG 12/17/22 7:36:09 PM #27:	Regardless of how divisive TROS is, ~~somehow Palpatine returning~~ is a top 10 SW moment --- #FeelTheBern http://i.imgur.com/q5z4CUu.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6B9oFXh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sy42Dlf.jpg <cite>lilORANG posted [p:970236068] in As divisiv... [t:80280419]...</cite> <quote>Regardless of how divisive TROS is, somehow Palpatine returning is a top 10 SW moment</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FuriousFox 12/17/22 7:42:13 PM #28:	Biggest problem is that they didn't have any cohesive plan for the sequel trilogy. You can't destroy all the existing plot threads unless you have some idea where you're going to go after that. --- What the hell, when did GameFAQs clear my signature and quote? <cite>FuriousFox posted [p:970236195] in As divisiv... [t:80280419]...</cite> <quote>Biggest problem is that they didn't have any cohesive plan for the sequel trilogy. You can't destroy all the existing plot threads unless you have some idea where you're going to go after that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 12/17/22 7:43:34 PM #29:	TMOG posted... Just because she had a few books doesn't mean she intended to rebuild the Jedi order. Luke only gave her a very basic training and was still holding out on her, so she likely stole them to keep training on her own terms. If you steal a science book it doesn't mean you plan to train more science teachers, it just means you want to learn science. We know very, very few family histories of named Jedi, and half of them are Skywalkers or in some way connected to the family. Rey not being part of an established heritage nor having a direct tie to one would have broken up that dynasty. They would have still had to fight them, yes, but with vastly diminished resources, far fewer soldiers, and nearly no support. TLJ set up a scenario where it was possible, and indeed likely, that the Resistance would end up losing the war against the New Order. Yes, and again, that's something that was set up in TLJ and not anything Abrams did. So it actually strengthens my argument that TLJ tried to push things in a new direction with the setting, plot AND characters. ~~That goes counter to what Yoda says. That is all the girl needs. And Luke says, He is not the last Jedi.~~ We know most Jedi do not have family. Thus it can be assumed most of the Jedi that we see are not connected to anyone else. Since they never bring it up. But they did bring collecting kids from their families to join the order. ~~TROS writing was bad, I can't defend that.~~ ~~TLJ did not set up Relyo. He hunted her abused her and tried to killer her. She was kissing Finn at the end of the TFA.~~ ~~It is kind of funny that TLJ lovers say that TROS deleted everything that TLJ set up when it was TLJ deleting thing that TFA set up.~~ --- To be a poor man is hard, but to be a poor race in a land of dollars is the very bottom of hardships. W.E.B. Du Bois <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:970236228] in As divisiv... [t:80280419]...</cite> <quote>TMOG posted... </cite><quote>Just because she had a few books doesn't mean she intended to rebuild the Jedi order. Luke only gave her a very basic training and was still holding out on her, so she likely stole them to keep training on her own terms. If you steal a science book it doesn't mean you plan to train more science teachers, it just means you want to learn science.We know very, very few family histories of named Jedi, and half of them are Skywalkers or in some way connected to the family. Rey not being part of an established heritage nor having a direct tie to one would have broken up that dynasty.They would have still had to fight them, yes, but with vastly diminished resources, far fewer soldiers, and nearly no support. TLJ set up a scenario where it was possible, and indeed likely, that the Resistance would end up losing the war against the New Order.Yes, and again, that's something that was set up in TLJ and not anything Abrams did. So it actually strengthens my argument that TLJ tried to push things in a new direction with the setting, plot AND characters.</quote>That goes counter to what Yoda says. That is all the girl needs. And Luke says, He is not the last Jedi.We know most Jedi do not have family. Thus it can be assumed most of the Jedi that we see are not connected to anyone else. Since they never bring it up. But they did bring collecting kids from their families to join the order.TROS writing was bad, I can't defend that.TLJ did not set up Relyo. He hunted her abused her and tried to killer her. She was kissing Finn at the end of the TFA. It is kind of funny that TLJ lovers say that TROS deleted everything that TLJ set up when it was TLJ deleting thing that TFA set up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evening_Dragon 12/17/22 7:44:29 PM #30:	specialkid8 posted... I don't know why people had such a problem with it to begin with. Why do you think a suicide plan would ever be someone's first plan. "But why don't they shoot ships with no one in them at other ships? " I don't know. Why don't we do that now? Certainly putting a brick on the pedal of a truck loaded with C4 would take out any vehicle or building. Why isn't that standard military procedure? Oh that's right, because that's nonsense. It is a fairly common move among terrorists, and probably the CIA. Also you're full of it. --- https://www.joincampaignzero.org/ Guide, it's Guide, it's that Guide <cite>Evening_Dragon posted [p:970236252] in As divisiv... [t:80280419]...</cite> <quote>specialkid8 posted... </cite><quote>I don't know why people had such a problem with it to begin with. Why do you think a suicide plan would ever be someone's first plan. "But why don't they shoot ships with no one in them at other ships? "I don't know. Why don't we do that now? Certainly putting a brick on the pedal of a truck loaded with C4 would take out any vehicle or building. Why isn't that standard military procedure? Oh that's right, because that's nonsense.</quote>It is a fairly common move among terrorists, and probably the CIA.Also you're full of it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
specialkid8 12/17/22 7:46:45 PM #31:	Evening_Dragon posted... Also you're full of it. Pardon? --- https://i.imgur.com/AUXKMK4.jpg <cite>specialkid8 posted [p:970236306] in As divisiv... [t:80280419]...</cite> <quote>Evening_Dragon posted... </cite><quote>Also you're full of it.</quote>Pardon? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lilORANG 12/17/22 7:48:05 PM #32:	TMOG posted... Just gonna go ahead and spoiler tag this entire post * ~~Yoda burning the Jedi books to put an end to the Jedi Order~~ * ~~Establishing that Rey's parents were absolute nobodies and she wasn't related to a past character~~ * ~~Decimating the Resistance so the Empire/Rebels 2.0 storyline could end~~ * ~~Killing Snoke and transferring his power to Kylo so he could be more than "younger, angrier Darth Vader"~~ The first two bullet points, in addition to the reveal of other Force-sensitives awakening in places like that stupid casino planet, would have set it up so there could still be lightsabers and stuff but not as black-and-white as Jedi vs. Sith. It could have set the franchise up for more varieties of conflict, but Abrams threw literally everything out with Rise of Skywalker and reset everything back to the status quo. This is all nonsense. ~~Rey's ancestry was not confirmed in TLJ. Kylo is the one who brought it up who 1) has no reason to know the actual truth, and 2) has a big incentive to lie bc he's trying to get her to join him.~~ ~~There were always force users who came from nothing. Random stake boy didn't change anything. The whole Jedi order was made of abducted children. Being force sensitive is not necessarily genetic.~~ ~~All killing Snoke did was remove the only compelling villain. Kylo was a jobber and a joke. Hux was relegated to comic relief.~~ --- #FeelTheBern http://i.imgur.com/q5z4CUu.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6B9oFXh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sy42Dlf.jpg <cite>lilORANG posted [p:970236334] in As divisiv... [t:80280419]...</cite> <quote>TMOG posted... </cite><quote>Just gonna go ahead and spoiler tag this entire post* Yoda burning the Jedi books to put an end to the Jedi Order* Establishing that Rey's parents were absolute nobodies and she wasn't related to a past character* Decimating the Resistance so the Empire/Rebels 2.0 storyline could end* Killing Snoke and transferring his power to Kylo so he could be more than "younger, angrier Darth Vader"The first two bullet points, in addition to the reveal of other Force-sensitives awakening in places like that stupid casino planet, would have set it up so there could still be lightsabers and stuff but not as black-and-white as Jedi vs. Sith. It could have set the franchise up for more varieties of conflict, but Abrams threw literally everything out with Rise of Skywalker and reset everything back to the status quo.</quote>This is all nonsense. Rey's ancestry was not confirmed in TLJ. Kylo is the one who brought it up who 1) has no reason to know the actual truth, and 2) has a big incentive to lie bc he's trying to get her to join him. There were always force users who came from nothing. Random stake boy didn't change anything. The whole Jedi order was made of abducted children. Being force sensitive is not necessarily genetic.All killing Snoke did was remove the only compelling villain. Kylo was a jobber and a joke. Hux was relegated to comic relief. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kuwab0 12/17/22 7:49:38 PM #33:	Why didn't force ghost Anakin appear to Ben and tell him to stop being a dick --- http://i.imgur.com/QfpP05s.png http://i.imgur.com/vdnZ1o6.png http://i.imgur.com/zTgf822.png <cite>kuwab0 posted [p:970236362] in As divisiv... [t:80280419]...</cite> <quote>Why didn't force ghost Anakin appear to Ben and tell him to stop being a dick </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OudeGeuze 12/17/22 7:56:28 PM #34:	The Holdo move is fucking dumb <cite>OudeGeuze posted [p:970236479] in As divisiv... [t:80280419]...</cite> <quote>The Holdo move is fucking dumb</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Southernfatman 12/17/22 8:02:26 PM #35:	Looks cool, sure, but it does bring up the problem of nobody thinking of it before as already mentioned. The Rebels could have put an X-Wing, loaded with bombs or not, on autopilot with an astromech droid and had it jump to light speed at the Death Star. You can't say that nobody thought of it because it's an obvious tactic. Then again, all you needed was some technobabble or some other reason why it works this time. If explained well enough I could buy it. Star Trek did it all the time. One thing I did like was making Rey's parents into "nobodies". It's refreshing. George Lucas and other writers already made the SW seem small enough with everybody being related or knowing each other. Too bad JJ ruined that. --- http://i.imgur.com/hslUvRN.jpg When I sin I sin real good. <cite>Southernfatman posted [p:970236606] in As divisiv... [t:80280419]...</cite> <quote>Looks cool, sure, but it does bring up the problem of nobody thinking of it before as already mentioned. The Rebels could have put an X-Wing, loaded with bombs or not, on autopilot with an astromech droid and had it jump to light speed at the Death Star. You can't say that nobody thought of it because it's an obvious tactic. Then again, all you needed was some technobabble or some other reason why it works this time. If explained well enough I could buy it. Star Trek did it all the time.One thing I did like was making Rey's parents into "nobodies". It's refreshing. George Lucas and other writers already made the SW seem small enough with everybody being related or knowing each other. Too bad JJ ruined that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 12/17/22 8:08:54 PM #36:	Visually, The Last Jedi is easily the most beautiful Star Wars movie. The angles, the use of color, the quality of the effects, all of it is phenomenal--though you can dock some points for ~~the space-horse chase on Canto Bight.~~ Say what you want about the story but the visual presentation is insanely good. I honestly think the story works if you fill in some of the blanks yourself, but my theory is that a lot of connective tissue was left on the cutting room floor. Either that, or the script could have used another pass or two to clarify certain obvious questions the audience would have. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:970236726] in As divisiv... [t:80280419]...</cite> <quote>Visually, The Last Jedi is easily the most beautiful Star Wars movie. The angles, the use of color, the quality of the effects, all of it is phenomenal--though you can dock some points for the space-horse chase on Canto Bight.Say what you want about the story but the visual presentation is insanely good. I honestly think the story works if you fill in some of the blanks yourself, but my theory is that a lot of connective tissue was left on the cutting room floor. Either that, or the script could have used another pass or two to clarify certain obvious questions the audience would have. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 12/19/22 8:38:12 PM #37:	COVxy posted... I don't even understand how TLJ "shook things up". Like, just because it wasn't pure fan fiction? Tbh I liked it because it's the first movie in the franchise to make me feel a little happy since I was a kid. I never really got the impression that it was any kind of revolutionary or subversive movie. --- Have you ever had an...EGYPTIAN FEAST? <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:970281928] in As divisiv... [t:80280419]...</cite> <quote>COVxy posted... </cite><quote>I don't even understand how TLJ "shook things up". Like, just because it wasn't pure fan fiction?</quote>Tbh I liked it because it's the first movie in the franchise to make me feel a little happy since I was a kid. I never really got the impression that it was any kind of revolutionary or subversive movie.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WarfireX 12/19/22 8:40:48 PM #38:	It was embarrassing because of how transparent they were that they didn't put any thought into it. --- I've got the Oscar fever! Hope you've got it too! Pour me some bubbly now it's all you gotta do! <cite>WarfireX posted [p:970281984] in As divisiv... [t:80280419]...</cite> <quote>It was embarrassing because of how transparent they were that they didn't put any thought into it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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