Board 8 > New Final Fantasy XVI trailer

(+) Yeah! (+)

yeah I know. I like DMC 5 as much as the next guy, but I love me some party combat. I'd take a Tales-like too, so long as you can switch characters in battle.

I blame FFIX for crystal worship

FF6 and 7 at least had a fun spin on crystals with magicite and materia. It doesn't have to be that in your face.

People should be aware Yoshi-p likes FFXII a lot

BK_Sheikah00 posted...

People should be aware Yoshi-p likes FFXII a lot

pobody's nerfect

last good combat system in a final fantasy game was ff13-2, imo.

I'm not really interested in whatever they are giving us here.

Lightning Returns had fun combat imo

BK_Sheikah00 posted...

People should be aware Yoshi-p likes FFXII a lot

lol

I think this conversation has been identical in every FFXVI topic

So I'll repeat what exact same thing I said last time and point out that expecting turn-based combat is a real boomer opinion to have at this point

BK_Sheikah00 posted...

People should be aware Yoshi-p likes FFXII a lot

I mean the FFXII content in XIV is really good.

Not the story part of course, but it's not like he wrote it, lol.

BK_Sheikah00 posted...

People should be aware Yoshi-p likes FFXII a lot

Ew...I knew there was a catch

LeonhartFour posted...

I blame FFIX for crystal worship

I don't remember any crystal worship in 9! That one's all about eidolons and Mist.

Not the biggest FF fan but I like what I am seeing here.

Shouldve been 16-bit.

KamikazePotato posted...

I think this conversation has been identical in every FFXVI topic

So I'll repeat what exact same thing I said last time and point out that expecting turn-based combat is a real boomer opinion to have at this point

And I'll repeat the same thing I said last time and point out that Pokemon still has turn-based combat (and sells much better than FF).

You know what's a great game

FFXII

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

I don't remember any crystal worship in 9! That one's all about eidolons and Mist.

They had that dumb slogan "The Crystal Comes Back" that convinced at least themselves that crystals are the essence of the series

SHINE_GET_64 posted...

You know what's a great game

FFXII

see now this is how you do comedy

SHINE_GET_64 posted...

You know what's a great game

FFVI

Fixed some roman numerals for you.

SHINE_GET_64 posted...

...To bring a story that feels like it spans an entire globe and beyond, we decided to avoid an open world design that limits us to a single open world space, and instead focus on an independent area-based game design that can give players a better feel of a truly 'global' scale," he said.

Woah that's hype

Is he the 1 AAA designer that realizes open world isn't actually always better? And he comes from MMOs too so that's unexpected

MacArrowny posted...

And I'll repeat the same thing I said last time and point out that Pokemon still has turn-based combat (and sells much better than FF).

Yeah turn based combat is for children & non-gamers, pretty much

foolm0r0n posted...

Woah that's hype

Is he the 1 AAA designer that realizes open world isn't actually always better? And he comes from MMOs too so that's unexpected

The actual zones in 14 are small by MMO standards.

To put it in his words, FF14 is an RPG first and an MMO second.

And it holds true to that, having easily the best story in Final Fantasy.

The games in good hands.

BK_Sheikah00 posted...

People should be aware Yoshi-p likes FFXII a lot

As should all people.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Still the correct opinion to want it back. I dont care how old it makes me look.

That or just turn these games into Soulslikes.

An even worse option

Hype

UltimaterializerX posted...

get gud

Not every series needs to become a Soulslike

There are plenty out there if you want to play them

Wasnt FF Origins a soulslike or was that just another dark souls of x (CHAOS) scenario

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Wasnt FF Origins a soulslike or was that just another dark souls of x (CHAOS) scenario

It's not explicitly "Dark Souls combat" with stamina used by dodging etc but the basic idea falls within the genre.

FF Origins is less hardcore than a Souls thing. Its somewhere between Souls and a DMC or something.

whatever it is, it kicks ass.

Soulslike is anything with one of the following:
- Checkpoints
- Corpse run
- Dodging
- Healing potions
- Skeletons
- Dying
- Items with descriptions
- British voice actors

So yeah it will probably be Soulslike

Where's my Final Fantasy Metroidvania

UltimaterializerX posted...

You legitimately wouldnt want Final Fantasy polish and worldbuilding with Souls mechanics?

Not interested.

You can put it in a spinoff game if you want, but I don't want it in the main series.

UltimaterializerX posted...

You legitimately wouldnt want Final Fantasy polish and worldbuilding with Souls mechanics? I would geek out until the end of time and theres no way Im alone in thinking this.

Final Fantasy polish hasn't been a thing for 20 years.

Mewtwo59 posted...

Final Fantasy polish hasn't been a thing for 20 years.

Extremely not true, the recent FF games aren't exactly top tier as an overall package but the aesthetic polishing is all there.

Turns out you can polish a turd.

XIV is a very polished experience!

I have faith in Yoshi-P.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Its an absurdly popular gameplay pattern and might actually happen.

For this game? Nah.

But if it did, my already nonexistent hype would move into "not buying" territory.

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Extremely not true, the recent FF games aren't exactly top tier as an overall package but the aesthetic polishing is all there.

Turns out you can polish a turd.

FFXV wasn't a particularly good looking game! Extremely bland, compared to an open world like Xenoblade. And part of polish is cutting out extraneous aspects and making the game feel good to play. FFXV felt pretty bad at the time it came out (driving and such), and there were a bunch of open areas with nothing in them that should've been cut from the game. There wouldn't have been a Royal Edition in the first place if it had been suitably polished at launch.

MacArrowny posted...

FFXV wasn't a particularly good looking game! Extremely bland, compared to an open world like Xenoblade.

All the towns and setpieces, plus the boys themselves all look great. On a technical level the graphics are very polished. I feel like this is a complaint about the open world design and visual style which is separate from what I mean. Like it was a big meme when the game came out the devs found a cool rock in real life and modeled it in game. That is...an unnecessarily high attention to detail in a pretty bland open world!

And part of polish is cutting out extraneous aspects and making the game feel good to play. FFXV felt pretty bad at the time it came out (driving and such), and there were a bunch of open areas with nothing in them that should've been cut from the game. There wouldn't have been a Royal Edition in the first place if it had been suitably polished at launch.

This is fair though. There's a ton of rough edges in the game but what I should say is that there's a lot of stuff that is still extremely polished. It's part of what I found so interesting about it at release (haven't played Royal). But also I wouldn't say any FF game gets this perfect.

Or we might just have different definitions of polished. I think it's possible to be TOO polished.

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Like it was a big meme when the game came out the devs found a cool rock in real life and modeled it in game. That is...an unnecessarily high attention to detail in a pretty bland open world!

This is the same game where one of the bosses was a copy paste dragon that the CG studio they were partnering with used for marketing promotions.

I would say graphically FF is still a fairly polished series; it's just that gameplay wise there hasn't been a mainline non-online entry with a well-constructed gameplay loop that balances exploration with combat since... X probably.

XII has a decent world, but the areas are too big, and battles DRAG at normal speed, which is why the Zodiac Age re-release is a godsend. I have positive memories of XIII's battles but not the exploration. Didn't play the XIII sequels but I hear conflicting opinions. XV is probably the worst battle system the series has had and it completely drops the ball with exploration in its second half. While I enjoy 7 remake's combat, nothing honestly matters in terms of character progression/build, and unless you're fighting a super boss you can pretty much do whatever.

So when people talk about polish in terms of FF, I think they're talking more about the full gameplay package more than just graphics and presentation.

colliding posted...

While I enjoy 7 remake's combat, nothing honestly matters in terms of character progression/build, and unless you're fighting a super boss you can pretty much do whatever.

To be fair, this is true of the original.

After 7R there is no question about the team's abilities. Just needs good direction.

Is it even the same team working on this? I assumed the 7R team was working on part 2.

Gameplay looks like Final Fantasy Revengeance and I'm all for it.

And yeah, this is not the same team as 7R.