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SrRd_RacinG
09/27/22 10:04:53 AM
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I cringe at the idea that a person is phobic of a thing just because that same person like a thing or doesn't agree with it.

We need to buck this modern trend.

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Naysaspace
09/27/22 10:05:27 AM
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Colloquially it does though. The definition has changed.
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Scintillant
09/27/22 10:06:08 AM
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I don't like gay people, doesn't make me homophobic, you're right TC!!!

this is sarcasm, I am gay.

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Umbreon
09/27/22 10:07:01 AM
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Examples?

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VIXVLV
09/27/22 10:07:17 AM
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The only people who post topics like these are those who don't understand that particular patterns of dislike imply a systematic bias.

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haloiscoolisbak
09/27/22 10:07:41 AM
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Deep down a homophobe is in fact scared of homosexuality, at some level. Not saying they're all in the closet or whatever, but there is a fear element


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CARRRNE_ASADA
09/27/22 10:09:14 AM
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gunplagirl
09/27/22 10:12:04 AM
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Naysaspace posted...
Colloquially it does though. The definition has changed.
This

VIXVLV posted...
The only people who post topics like these are those who don't understand that particular patterns of dislike imply a systematic bias.
This

haloiscoolisbak posted...
Deep down a homophobe is in fact scared of homosexuality, at some level. Not saying they're all in the closet or whatever, but there is a fear element
And this

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VIXVLV
09/27/22 10:12:11 AM
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VIXVLV posted...
The only people who post topics like these are those who don't understand that particular patterns of dislike imply a systematic bias.

For instance, saying: "trans people can do as they wish! But I would never date them because I am straight"

Has in it the implication that you do not view trans people as their transitioned sex, but as their born sex.

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Suolevram
09/27/22 10:13:25 AM
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VIXVLV posted...
For instance, saying: "trans people can do as they wish! But I would never date them because I am straight"

Has in it the implication that you do not view trans people as their transitioned sex, but as their born sex.


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averagejoel
09/27/22 10:13:25 AM
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haloiscoolisbak posted...
Deep down a homophobe is in fact scared of homosexuality, at some level. Not saying they're all in the closet or whatever, but there is a fear element
I... think this is a pretty tenuous assertion to apply to homophobes in general. I also don't think it really matters if they're scared or not

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gunplagirl
09/27/22 10:15:19 AM
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GranolaPanic posted...
You need to be more specific. Hating or boycotting something because it has a minority, a woman or LGBTQ representation in it does make someone phobic.
Imagine being a fully grown adult and thinking this is true.

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CruelBuffalo
09/27/22 10:21:51 AM
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Damn we doing 2010 debates on gamefaqs
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Big_Nabendu
09/27/22 10:23:17 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/0/1/AAW5a5AADuD9.jpg

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VIXVLV
09/27/22 10:23:48 AM
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CruelBuffalo posted...
Damn we doing 2010 debates on gamefaqs

This whole board has reverted back 10 years in the past year. It's weird.

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haloiscoolisbak
09/27/22 10:24:39 AM
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averagejoel posted...
I... think this is a pretty tenuous assertion to apply to homophobes in general. I also don't think it really matters if they're scared or not

Well it matters if we want to break down if the word is an accurate description or not

Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering as a wise man once said >_>

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lennethsoki
09/27/22 10:26:35 AM
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Yeah it's dang near lost all meaning for me at this point.
It's basically been stretched out to apply to so much stuff that being called "-phobic" doesn't even mean anything any more, and essentially translates to "We disagree, so you're ____phobic." 90% of the time.

I guarantee you most of those accused of being -phobic just shrug it off or don't even care as a result, whereas they would if it were used more sparingly and had a more select assortment of circumstances for it to actually apply.

It's like "bigot". Used to be a strong word. Now it's demoted to a party clown :x

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Umbreon
09/27/22 10:28:16 AM
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I feel like the 'I'm not SCARED of certain people, I just hate certain people' argument is similar to someone arguing they aren't a pedophile because they're into 13 year olds.

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rexcrk
09/27/22 10:28:55 AM
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SrRd_RacinG posted...
I cringe at the idea that a person is phobic of a thing just because that same person like a thing or doesn't agree with it.

We need to buck this modern trend.
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EmbraceOfDeath
09/27/22 10:30:22 AM
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haloiscoolisbak posted...
Well it matters if we want to break down if the word is an accurate description or not

Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering as a wise man once said >_>
Maybe don't take your worldview from George Lucas.

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haloiscoolisbak
09/27/22 10:30:26 AM
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"I'm not scared of gay people, I just disagree with their lifestyle/dislike them". Come on, it's like, bullshit. You're scared of your perceived family/Christian values in society or whatever being threatened at the very least.

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Scintillant
09/27/22 10:41:53 AM
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EmbraceOfDeath posted...
Maybe don't take your worldview from George Lucas.
Poppy is the one who actually said that

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AtelierGaming86
09/27/22 10:43:41 AM
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Tell that to twitter

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cuttin_in_farm
09/27/22 10:43:46 AM
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I think TC is moreso referring to trans related things than gay ones.

The lazy example is trans athletes in sports. One can disagree with trans women competing with cis women without being labeled as phobic.

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Master_Kazuya
09/27/22 10:46:22 AM
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I agree. Sometimes the hate comes from fear, but it doesn't have to.

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IShall_Run_Amok
09/27/22 10:51:02 AM
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I think the big problem is that transphobes are afraid of trans people for irrational reasons, but it would be more ideal if they were afraid of trans people, and their allies, friends and loved ones, for very real reasons.

The true ideal, of course, it's that they stop being transphobes, but I'm willing to compromise by collectively intimidating them into shutting the ever loving fuck up.

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Nemu
09/27/22 10:56:47 AM
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I think there definitely could have been better terminology, but phobia has branched off between actual fears and extraordinary, mostly unprompted hatred.
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cuttin_in_farm
09/27/22 11:03:01 AM
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GranolaPanic posted...
The people that claim to care about trans athletes competing in womens sporting events never cared about womens sports beforehand.

They only use it as a political cudgel.

The same can be said about the opposing side, so I dunno why this is constantly a rebuttal.

Nobody cares about womens sports.

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VIXVLV
09/27/22 11:04:16 AM
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cuttin_in_farm posted...
The same can be said about the opposing side, so I dunno why this is constantly a rebuttal.

Nobody cares about womens sports.

You realize this just shows how vacuous your position is, right?

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cuttin_in_farm
09/27/22 11:08:45 AM
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VIXVLV posted...
You realize this just shows how vacuous your position is, right?



I would presume the folks who want trans women to be able to compete with cis women is because they care about trans people having a fair shot competitively.

Folks who dont want trans women competing with cis women presumably care because they want cis women to have a fair shot competitively.

Neither side is particularly a fan of womens sports in general. But everyone can be empathetic to the plight of unfairness.

So the argument of You never cared about womens sports before! is always silly because thats ignoring the reason people care now.

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CyricZ
09/27/22 11:09:00 AM
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"It's not 'phobic' if I don't admit I'm scared!"

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Autocraticus
09/27/22 11:10:40 AM
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Believing in "the science" that morbid obesity can lead to lifelong health issues and the "healthy at any size" line of thinking is dangerous makes me fatphobic apparently. Fat people do not scare me, however.
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cuttin_in_farm
09/27/22 11:12:31 AM
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GranolaPanic posted...
Some sections of the right have mercilessly mocked womens sports for decades. In particular the WNBA and the womens soccer team.

Now these same people suddenly care about the integrity of the sport when a trans person starts competing in them. What theyre doing is really obvious.

I dont think the trans athletes in sports is a right vs left thing at all?

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NoxObscuras
09/27/22 11:14:04 AM
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Cmon guys. TC made this steaming pile of a topic and hasn't posted in it at all.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/7/2/AAQgjdAADuFE.jpg

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rexcrk
09/27/22 11:14:55 AM
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EmbraceOfDeath posted...
Maybe don't take your worldview from George Lucas.


Its actually pretty accurate tbh


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kinetika_
09/27/22 11:19:40 AM
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cuttin_in_farm posted...


I would presume the folks who want trans women to be able to compete with cis women is because they care about trans people having a fair shot competitively.

Folks who dont want trans women competing with cis women presumably care because they want cis women to have a fair shot competitively.

Neither side is particularly a fan of womens sports in general. But everyone can be empathetic to the plight of unfairness.

So the argument of You never cared about womens sports before! is always silly because thats ignoring the reason people care now.

Good luck convincing the illogical and those who argue with an emotional bias in the subject. They view all this as political and aren't sports fans themselves, because if they were the latter, then they'd understand why it's an unfair competitive advantage and not a good thing. It doesn't matter what evidence you provide, their political bias will blind them of the facts.

Now I'll probably be called -phobic and alt-right, when no one knows me, my experiences, my opinion of the trans subject... or what gender I personally identify as.
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cuttin_in_farm
09/27/22 11:19:57 AM
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GranolaPanic posted...
Have you not been paying attention to the manufactured controversy over the last few years involving this?

I dunno why youre doing the fake shock thing instead of elaborating.

Do you think most left leaning people think trans women athletes should compete with cis women?

I dont. Thus, I dont think its a left vs right thing.

But I dont want to derail the topic, so we can agree to disagree.

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WellBye
09/29/22 3:21:54 AM
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Tag.
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Lost_All_Senses
09/29/22 3:24:43 AM
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We get it, you'd rather take things too literal/general and avoid the real topic.

It's weird thing to cringe at or get caught up on. Don't make me become SrRd_Racingphobic

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EyeWontBeFooled
09/29/22 3:39:16 AM
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For real, though, images with clusters of holes and spaces make my teeth grit.

It isn't really a phobia. There's probably a better word for it.

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Oatcakes
09/29/22 3:58:32 AM
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VIXVLV posted...
For instance, saying: "trans people can do as they wish! But I would never date them because I am straight"

Has in it the implication that you do not view trans people as their transitioned sex, but as their born sex.

Gender and sex aren't the same thing

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