Current Events > i really hate the direction that Zelda is taking with BotW and onward

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you'll never convince me that game wouldn't have a 71/100 metacritic if it didn't have the zelda IP on top of it and was made by ubisoft or something

whatever, at least there's like 15 other zelda games of the type i actually enjoy

rip tho

It could be the best Zelda if instead of billions of shrines they had proper, epic Palaces like Zelda 2

and no durability

MarthGoomba posted...

It could be the best Zelda if instead of billions of shrines they had proper, epic Palaces like Zelda 2

and no durability

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uME1G_HAQXM

Is it me, or does this topic get made daily?

YoungMutual posted...

Is it me, or does this topic get made daily?

Daily? No, at least not here, maybe around the net.

Can people stop acting like we care what their opinions are about how they hate good games and like being miserable?

The whole "if they called it Belda people wouldn't like it" whining has existed for every Zelda game.

BOTW isn't a good game if it means investing 100's hours to make it bearable.

"onward" here refers to one sequel we haven't played yet. I don't think we can declare this the direction of the series.

Tc why not make a topic about something you like instead of spreading negativity

you should keep your negativity in your drunk drawer along with those batteries and matches and those four paper clips and that remote for the tv you dont have anymore

I just find it sus that zelda copies ubisoft and everyone loves it. I knew everyone actually loves Ass Creed.

BotW succeeds in every way that Assassins Creed fails. The only meaningful similarity is climbing towers to unlock waypoints.

Beveren_Rabbit posted...

BOTW isn't a good game if it means investing 100's hours to make it bearable.

The first half is the best part.

The first 40 hours of that game is the best game ever made

Yeah, I'm still optimistic they'll have learned and will improve with this next one, but if they've just stopped making traditional Zelda games that would be a massive disappointment.

radical_rhino posted...

BotW succeeds in every way that Assassins Creed fails. The only meaningful similarity is climbing towers to unlock waypoints.

BOTW succeeds by simply focusing on the fundamentals on what makes an open world game fun. Mucking around and finding things.

A lot of open world games are more designed like a buffet of content. Go to these mission types and do the thing. Here's a whole bunch of skill trees and things to work towards as well. Don't forget about our epic story!

It's not that the latter design is bad but it was getting tired and also lost a bit of focus on what the strengths of an open world game can actually be. Providing freedom to the player.

I think it's an interesting dynamic overall. Even when I think of GTA it doesn't bombard with the player with too much missions and 'content' to do at once.

SSMajinVegeta2 posted...

The first 40 hours of that game is the best game ever made

youre forgetting about Bloodborne

I am literally playing it now , and I agree with you. Like I don't understand how people can like durability. I found myself running from bad guys so much because I could not use my sword. Also to get more space you have to find those seeds.. bull shit.

The main strength of BotW is the open world itself.

The world feels organic and feels like an actual breathing thing.
It's probably the only open world game I've played where I don't want to use the fast travel system.

Every location of the map feels intentional and houses something interesting and unique.

Compared to a Ubisoft game like Ass Creed where I'm just staring at the mini map constantly and sprinting to get to the next objective as fast as possible.

The open world is the best part of BotW, but the shrines are so unimaginative and bad. That's the main aspect I hope they change with the sequel.

if it weren't zelda it wouldn't be considered the best open world ever by a significant margin as it is now. Instead it would be in the running as a top 10 open world game where each game in the top 10 is largely interchangeable

SSMajinVegeta2 posted...

The first 40 hours of that game is the best game ever made

I think it's up there. Definitely my favorite of this gen so far.

God, BotW online discourse pisses me off so much. Has anyone made one credible point against BotW itt? That game is so so much more than a Ubisoft game with a Zelda skin tacked on.

Prestoff posted...

The open world is the best part of BotW, but the shrines are so unimaginative and bad. That's the main aspect I hope they change with the sequel.

I liked some of them, but yeah they were a let down usually.

Breath of the wild would be one of the best games of all time if it didnt have the name Zelda in its title, has the towns/settlements 3-5 times bigger. Maybe double the towns and have more npcs. Game would be soooo good.

I still really enjoyed botw and 100%'d twice minus the korok seeds.

So... don't play it. Play other games. Problem solved.

Cobra1010 posted...

minus the korok seeds.

Good god there were too many of those, especially for the reward if you got them all.

ZangsBeard posted...

So... don't play it. Play other games. Problem solved.

immensely worthwhile post

KhlavicLanguage posted...

immensely worthwhile post

Honestly it is

it literally gave you a solution to your problem

the only thing more constructive would have been make your own game

Honestly, looking back, I've only genuinely LOVED two of the 3D Zelda games--OOT and TP.

Wind Waker was ruined by the sailing tedium and the lack of dungeons--honestly, it feels like proto-BotW.

MM was ruined by its time gimmick and refusal to have a straightforward structure. It's just too weird for me. I know some people love it, but I sure don't.

Skyward Sword needs no introduction. Repetitive, ruined by motion controls, story sucks, etc.

BotW is just a generic Open World game with a Zelda mod slapped on. The four "dungeons" are all the same tile-set with the same navigation gimmick (move a piece to make something wacky happen), there's no sense of reward for doing anything (except for the Master Sword, which was fun but came so late in the game that it felt like a secret, or a New Game+ reward), the bosses were boring, and--again--the story sucked. The flashbacks were cool, but the present day timeline had almost nothing interesting going on. Oh, and the breakable weapons knee-capped the combat system and made the entire game less fun to play.

i personally think botw is really forgettable. but i also think that of a lot of the more recent zeldas, like ss and tp.

there was just a lack of charm and wonder. everything being so open just made it less personal and relatable, to me. dungeons sucked too.

BotW was the freshest a Zelda game has felt in years, and was the most fun open world I've ran around in since Just Cause 2

Idk why people want to go back to playing the 15th iteration of the Link to the Past formula, I love Zelda but that shit was getting incredibly stale by the time of Skyward Sword

Zelda was in a very bad place before BotW. Skyward Sword didn't even feel like a video game, it was more like an interactive story on rails. Press A to continue to the next scene!

A big part of why it was so successful was because it was such a massive departure away from that sort of "game" and towards the original adventure for NES where you get to just wander around looking for cool shit.

You might be right about the metacritic thing. Not sure, I'll have to think on it more. I enjoyed the hell out of BotW, though. But it might be that I never woulda even played it if it wasn't a Zelda game.

It's too soon to believe BotW will be the new standard going forward. BotW2 only exists because it started as DLC, but got a bit too ambitious and ended up requiring too many changes to be made to the main game.

Immortals: Fenyx Rising is a Ubisoft game created explicitly in the image of Breath of the Wild.

I think it's super cluttered and the combat is both more numerous and tedious than BotW, but funnily enough it does only reach the low 80's at best on Metacritic.

Gwynevere posted...

BotW was the freshest a Zelda game has felt in years, and was the most fun open world I've ran around in since Just Cause 2

Idk why people want to go back to playing the 15th iteration of the Link to the Past formula, I love Zelda but that shit was getting incredibly stale by the time of Skyward Sword

Gaming would be a much better hobby if there were 15 iterations of LttP period IMO.

BotW is a fine direction that needs some refining. Weapons Breaking can go directly to hell.

BotW itself is an alright game that got beaten by Horizon: Zero Dawn during its week of release.

People love throwing out the "if it wasn't Zelda" line like that's a clever point.

Yes, it's Zelda. The long established videogame institution with the rich lore, the memorable characters, the loved locations, the continuity between games, the various timelines, the entire library of incredibly consistently great games.

If it wasn't Zelda it wouldn't be Zelda.

Im not a massive Zelda fan but BotW is one of my favourite games. It wasnt only successful because of the rest of the series.

Agree 100%, but I still think top-down 2d is the best Zelda and have felt this way for a while.

it does a lot of things right, it avoids having a bunch of trackers and icons and quests that would otherwise make the game feel overwhelming with its number of things to find and do
the map doesn't show you everything and there's a lot of stuff you can find on your own
it's good at guiding you to things without being too handholdy
it lacks the cluttered feel that many open-world games have, but just like the others it can feel way too big (spatially) sometimes

MrMallard posted...

Immortals: Fenyx Rising is a Ubisoft game created explicitly in the image of Breath of the Wild.

I think it's super cluttered and the combat is both more numerous and tedious than BotW, but funnily enough it does only reach the low 80's at best on Metacritic.

Immortals is a watered down Odyssey solely created to cash in on BotW. Its extremely ok....

cjsdowg posted...

I found myself running from bad guys so much because I could not use my sword.

Get good.

If you all were in charge, we would be on Super Mario 64 the 8th by now. You all have no creativity. God, I'm glad you all have no influence.

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Botw does not have deep combat mechanics

PiOverlord posted...

If you all were in charge, we would be on Super Mario 64 the 8th by now. You all have no creativity. God, I'm glad you all have no influence.

Yeah...long-running franchises kinda need to be ever-changing in order to not keep things stale. Some people rag on the newest God of War for feeling too different, but to be quite honest...the old GoW games were getting stale as fuck by the third mainline game. They needed to change direction and IMO it was for the better.

Gamers are honestly the most obnoxious and annoying exist-to-consume specimens ever.

50% of the time, they complain about games not changing enough, and the other 50% they complain that games aren't like how they used to be.

KhlavicLanguage posted...

you'll never convince me that game wouldn't have a 71/100 metacritic if it didn't have the zelda IP on top of it and was made by ubisoft or something

whatever, at least there's like 15 other zelda games of the type i actually enjoy

rip tho

Here you go Zelda BotW but without Zelda on the title rated 81/100 metacritic

https://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-series-x/immortals-fenyx-rising

Made by Ubisoft too