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Doom_Art
09/11/22 10:34:13 AM
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The last several years there's this whole divergence between critic/user reviews and anytime there's a thing between "well the critics rate it highly but the average user reviews are good" and I watch said thing for myself I'll almost always land on the critic side of things.

I remember reading user reviews for Venom when I was trying to piece together "why are users rating this so highly, it was crap" and a bunch of reviews said variations of "this was better than critics said. 10/10" "fuck the critics. 10/10"

and my personal favorite "the first 45 minutes were pretty slow and bad but the movie picked up a lot after that. 10/10"

Another big one is the Terminal List. It fucking sucked ass. Got savaged by critics but has an incredibly high audience score.

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g0ldie
09/11/22 10:35:39 AM
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tbh, I don't trust user reviews for anything outside of items, products, and comedies

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Nacen
09/11/22 10:36:57 AM
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Not even remotely hot but ok.

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Irony
09/11/22 10:37:48 AM
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All reviews except Yahtzee's are bad.

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rexcrk
09/11/22 10:37:49 AM
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Im finding it difficult to trust any reviews lol.

Thats mainly a me problem because my tastes are so weird and different from other peoples when it comes to like movies, games, and food.

And when it comes to reviews of a product, if I see negative reviews, my first thought is well the person leaving that is probably just an idiot who didnt use it correctly but if I see positive reviews I think how do I know those arent just planted reviews by the manufacturer?


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Crimsoness
09/11/22 10:38:15 AM
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I think it depends.

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party_animal07
09/11/22 10:38:46 AM
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Just about the only user reviews I find reliable are restaurant reviews.

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creativerealms
09/11/22 10:40:15 AM
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I only trust my own opinion on something. Professional reviews are often too disconnected and what they are looking for is different from what I'm looking for. User reviews are too easy to minipulate for an agenda.

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Slayerblade11
09/11/22 10:40:25 AM
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Lost_All_Senses
09/11/22 10:46:01 AM
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rexcrk posted...
Im finding it difficult to trust any reviews lol.

Thats mainly a me problem because my tastes are so weird and different from other peoples when it comes to like movies, games, and food.

And when it comes to reviews of a product, if I see negative reviews, my first thought is well the person leaving that is probably just an idiot who didnt use it correctly but if I see positive reviews I think how do I know those arent just planted reviews by the manufacturer?

This. The motives are never clear enough to make me comfortable anymore. Too many people adapted agendas and now there's hardly any sincerity. Not everyone. But definitely enough to completely taint the waters.

Once a reviewer checks their own biases, I feel a lil more comfortable. Cause it shows layered thinking and attempt to not get caught up in their own shit.

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Shadowplay
09/11/22 10:57:11 AM
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Really depends on the product in question. Remember how Skyward Sword was a pretty mediocre game despite getting 9s and 10s?

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11110111011
09/11/22 10:58:26 AM
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Generally disagree.

I'm thinking of things more like tools, but if there is a user review that you can tell has the same general tastes, workflow, or other relatable traits you can usually value their opinion much higher than a critic or company's review.
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CARRRNE_ASADA
09/12/22 9:56:52 AM
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Audience tend to score on how entertained they are vs critics based on technical aspects.

Now its most audiences reviewing based on preemptive impressions fueled by hateful social media.

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Naysaspace
09/12/22 9:58:20 AM
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They've always been a joke. Nowadays it seems its all about review bombing to push some political agenda, which makes them even worse
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ElleRagu
09/12/22 9:59:52 AM
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not a hot take at all lmfao

who tf takes user reviews seriously for anything besides maybe product reviews

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ViewtifulJoe
09/12/22 10:02:45 AM
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It's been over for a bit now, reviews cannot be trusted anymore.
Your best bet is word of mouth, someone who already has similar interests and opinions on games as you is as good as it'll get.

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Hayame_Zero
09/12/22 10:10:26 AM
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Everyone's a critic.

...but most people suck at it

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Kan-Wan
09/12/22 10:12:50 AM
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Unless its for something Im trying to use then yeah, I agree

I dont need a preview for art.. it kinda removes the you portion thats supposed to exist in the formulation of an opinion
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FunkyCat
09/12/22 10:20:10 AM
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Critic views arent much better either tbh

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Lost_All_Senses
09/12/22 4:01:41 PM
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FunkyCat posted...
Critic views arent much better either tbh

Depends what games. If it's what's supposed to be of the moment, they're usually helpful. But if you make a game outside it's mainstream moment and it's not part of a well established series that they can use context from, you can tell a lot of them are sucked up in the current wave and aren't really trying to let loose for a couple hours to review a game that goes against the conventional for the time. It has to be a very surface level of not serious for them to let loose and just play for fun. Most the stuff in the grey area goes over their head and they judge it like it's trying to be some masterpiece and fails. If you're just looking for games for rhe fun factor alone, most reviews don't help.


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Sufferedphoneix
09/12/22 4:12:06 PM
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I trust them more than professional ones. But I try to read one of the higher score ones AND one of the lower score ones. If both bash some of the same things I'll trust that it is indeed a problem and not just bias speaking. Same with praise too.

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Doom_Art
09/12/22 7:22:59 PM
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Sufferedphoneix posted...
trust them more than professional ones
Why

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creativerealms
09/12/22 9:41:02 PM
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CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
Audience tend to score on how entertained they are vs critics based on technical aspects.

Now its most audiences reviewing based on preemptive impressions fueled by hateful social media.
Problem is that's not true anymore. The audience score is more often then not used to push an agenda by people who haven't even watched or played the thing in question and hate it because of the trailers and what they read.

Like for rings of power, the discourse seems very positive for the show when I look for people who are actually watching it and yet the audience reviews are filled with these very short negative reviews not even talking about the show itself.

Personal agendas by anti-fan have ruined audience scores.

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Solo_Wing
09/12/22 9:52:43 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
Why

Here ya go

https://youtu.be/ngqO9Hp19_4


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silverpine
09/12/22 9:54:14 PM
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i feel you. i generally like and agree with critics. that's just my taste.
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Doom_Art
09/12/22 9:56:37 PM
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Solo_Wing posted...
Here ya go

https://youtu.be/ngqO9Hp19_4
Oh the critical drinker yeah no thanks lol

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Ratchetrockon
09/12/22 9:57:56 PM
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Regarding user reviews: Yeah they suck tbh. Always overexaggerate things. I got duped into buying many things (outside of games too) and was underwhelmed 95% of the time.

I trust Critic reviews for media.
For products hell no. They shill things all the time and are liars!!!

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Ratchetrockon
09/12/22 10:02:57 PM
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Also I don't even trust my own reviews on media and products. I'll write out something that I'd disagree with a few weeks later. Just depends on my mood

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Gwynevere
09/12/22 10:04:55 PM
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Meh, "professional" critique of subjective media isn't much more meaningful

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MrMallard
09/12/22 10:05:17 PM
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I think both critic reviews and user reviews are useful tools in making up your own mind. It's not a matter of looking at an aggregate number and deciding to buy something, it's a matter of taking the best and the worst reviews from both sources and comparing them - see what lines up, see what's wildly different.

For example, I bought Plants Vs Zombies: Battle for Neighbourville after looking at the Metacritic reviews from both critics and users. Things lined up pretty well - fun, interesting character design, large PvE areas, a bevy of offline and online content, but with a capped 30fps on Switch and less content.

I wouldn't have had the same experience with the Last of Us Part II, because the reaction to that game was nuclear from the first full trailer of Ellie kissing Dinah. Actually discussing that game, talking about pros and cons, was impossible for the longest time. In the end, I thought it was a high 7/10 with Ellie and Dinah's relationship being a highlight and the ending fatigue being a significant downside. But the game was either a 10/10 for being the closest that a game has gotten to cinema yet, or a 0/10 because Joel dies and Abbie is too buff for the amount of food she eats as revealed by an in-game meal chart and because it's a shoehorned woke pile of shit that ruins everything that was great about the first game. There was no winning that argument, and it was next to impossible to actually find a reasonable dialogue and compare positive and negative points without running into some sort of buttfuck crazy extreme.

But for the most part, taking both critic and user reviews into account is a good way to inform yourself. Compare reviews, see what lines up and make your own decision.

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Kitt
09/12/22 10:05:35 PM
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That's not a hot take, that's a fact of life.
At least professional critics have to spend a considerable amount of time with the thing they're reviewing.

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Kim_Seong-a
09/12/22 10:05:37 PM
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Nah, in general if there's a large disparity between scores, the higher score is usually more reasonable.

High Critic, Low User? Majority of the time there's some dumb reason that the user reviewers hated it.

Low Critic, High User? Majority of the time the critics are just up their own ass.

But word of mouth > all. I try keeping tabs on the general vibe I hear people talking about certain media and it's almost never let me down.

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Doom_Art
09/12/22 10:13:37 PM
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Kitt posted...
That's not a hot take, that's a fact of life.
At least professional critics have to spend a considerable amount of time with the thing they're reviewing.
Yeah people always say "critics have an agenda" but it's like okay yeah and I'm supposed to assume joe blow over there leaving 1s and 10s is some paragon of impartiality

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DezDroppedFreak
09/12/22 10:18:21 PM
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Any 1/10 or 10/10 are immediately discarded

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Damn_Underscore
09/12/22 10:20:08 PM
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The obsession with scores is the main problem with reviews in general, especially professional reviews.

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VeggetaX
09/12/22 10:21:01 PM
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I will never understand letting someone else dictate your decisions.

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dioxxys
09/12/22 10:23:10 PM
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I trust user reviews more. At least for video games. Every triple A game that ever comes out by a big publisher has a minimum of an 83 on metacritic. Steam user reviews are usually pretty accurate if you know the proper threshold, some steam user reviews can tend to be also rather generous. I usually don't touch a game unless it has at least an 87% positive rating with the minimum of 1,000 user reviews.

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Gobstoppers12
09/12/22 10:24:07 PM
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That's not a hot take. User reviews tend to be driven by extreme opinions. It's either a perfect 10 or a 0-3, neither of which are accurate for the vast majority of movies or games. Almost nothing is a perfect 10, and almost nothing is broken enough to score below a 5, but here we are.

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dioxxys
09/12/22 10:33:18 PM
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VeggetaX posted...
I will never understand letting someone else dictate your decisions.
Uhhhh...... Because there's only so much free time in the world to consume media and reviews help cut out the crap and reduce the amount of time wasted on poor entertainment?
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Kitt
09/12/22 10:34:45 PM
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lol accurate

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VeggetaX
09/12/22 10:38:53 PM
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dioxxys posted...
Uhhhh...... Because there's only so much free time in the world to consume media and reviews help cut out the crap and reduce the amount of time wasted on poor entertainment?
Yes if enough people tell me something is bad then I'll follow along like a good boy.

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TetsuoS2
09/12/22 10:51:40 PM
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Nacen posted...
Not even remotely hot but ok.


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dioxxys
09/12/22 10:51:42 PM
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VeggetaX posted...
Yes if enough people tell me something is bad then I'll follow along like a good boy.
You can't tell me it doesn't make sense to optimize your free time...

I mean if you want to watch a show nobody's stopping anybody from watching stuff but generally reviews are used as a guideline in order to reduce time wasted

I mean.... What are you going to do otherwise, watch everything that has ever been made?

No thanks
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VeggetaX
09/12/22 10:55:27 PM
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dioxxys posted...
You can't tell me it doesn't make sense to optimize your free time...

I mean if you want to watch a show nobody's stopping anybody from watching stuff but generally reviews are used as a guideline in order to reduce time wasted

I mean.... What are you going to do otherwise, watch everything that has ever been made?

No thanks
Using as a base guideline is fine. Using it to dictate your decisions, what you should or should not like is not fine.

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Sufferedphoneix
09/13/22 12:44:09 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
Why

More likely to be paid off.

Even saw a negative review for a game where the guy literally starts off saying he's not a fan of the genre in general. Made it seem like this game was gonna be his exception. Nope still bashed it

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Damn_Underscore
09/13/22 12:52:05 PM
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You still have to be careful of "user" reviews. Like it's well known that people prop up shitty Madden games every year in order to continue their relationships with EA

Just take all reviews with a grain of salt. Review things for yourself

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Sufferedphoneix
09/13/22 12:55:13 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
You still have to be careful of "user" reviews. Like it's well known that people prop up shitty Madden games every year in order to continue their relationships with EA

Just take all reviews with a grain of salt. Review things for yourself

Yeah why I said I try to read a high rated review and a low rated review.

Rarely do I use reviews though. Only when I'm really on the fence about a game

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