Board 8 > MCU General 11 - Wong: Fugitive From the Law

(+) Yeah! (+)

Definitely not the worst movie ever, just average all around

a lot of those special effects for his powers seemed super goofy though

also it just kinda ended felt like there should have been a bit more, but neat that the mid credits stuff tied into No Way Home

shine did u enjoy the bat kamehameha???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWmx46IxLIw

why would someone come up with "pooped my beze bears" when it's clearly "pooped my pants, my pants"

I watched Morbius the other day too. If Sony ever take leave of their senses long enough to greenlight a sequel, they could easily bring in Vic Savage by saying he was the leader of the mercenaries that got morbed when Morbius turned into a vampire for the first time, and being bitten turned him into a vampire too.

There probably won't be a proper Morbius 2 though, instead we'll get Morbius and Vulture Do the Morbiverse of Madness, where the two of them recruit other villains to join their team. The other members will be Venom, Kraven, El Muerte and Chameleon. However, Vulture will be a bait and switch and shortly after assembling the team, he will either die from being in an alternate universe for too long, or Wong will magic in to take him back to the MCU. Black Cat will then replace him as the new sixth member, also giving the team at least one female member.

Here comes a new challenger!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQJId390dd0

Watching Daredevil S2

Ugggh this season really kinda goes off the rails. The Punisher stuff is pretty good; any time the plot is focused on him, and any time either Karen or Foggy are on screen the show is great. But the show just grinds to a halt when Elektra shows up, everything with her and the yakuza and whatever the fuck Stick is talking about is boring as hell and it's endlessly frustrating to watch Matt get caught up in that. The last few episodes have just been annoying to watch, I know characters can be flawed and have tensions between them but jesus CHRIST some people just need to sit down and talk some shit out

yeahhh I watched s1 & s2 back-to-back and it made s2 look so much worse than I remembered feeling about it

Paratroopa1 posted...

Watching Daredevil S2

Ugggh this season really kinda goes off the rails. The Punisher stuff is pretty good; any time the plot is focused on him, and any time either Karen or Foggy are on screen the show is great. But the show just grinds to a halt when Elektra shows up, everything with her and the yakuza and whatever the fuck Stick is talking about is boring as hell and it's endlessly frustrating to watch Matt get caught up in that. The last few episodes have just been annoying to watch, I know characters can be flawed and have tensions between them but jesus CHRIST some people just need to sit down and talk some shit out

Yeah, I didn't finish the season. Which is sad after S1 is one of my favorite of the early MCU(/adjacent) properties.

Fun ep for She-Hulk, not much astounding stuff to comment on but it's enjoyable. Really becoming a glam star as She-Hulk, lmao poor Titania. Glad to get a real face-off between them, I wonder now how much more she'll be around this season - 3 eps left and we still got Daredevil in the wings.

and wow Intelligencia plot really ended up a lot more relevant than they were expecting I bet

if you want to know if post-credits scenes are back: they're not

So for remaining eps [unseen promo content] again, 3 remaining, we know Daredevil's still to come, Frog-Man / Leap-Frog probably with him, but another scene I can think of that hasn't occurred yet is She-Hulk on like a red carpet which could be coming first lol... it would be too much to keep Daredevil all the way to the finale ep, but I'm thinking ep8.

[theorying based off this ep] we definitely gotta be getting Leader finale, that lab, we know he's coming in the future, gotta beeee

Biggest takeaway from new episode is just that Patti Harrison is always great

She-Hulk is certainly unique as an MCU show. I think this ep handled the B plot better (though more Rene Elise Goldsberry always makes things better), and honestly it does feel to me like an additional 10 minutes would serve the show format well.

It feels like the writers are a little torn between having an actual serial and delivering a one-season MCU show as has been standard.

Yeah I agree with that but I still really liked this episode, even if it can't really decide what it wants to be

Mr Immortal was great

I also preferred the B-plot this week. I love the actress playing Titania and I think she's doing great with the role, but I feel like the show doesn't really know how to utilize her properly.

Still a top tier MCU show so far though.

Yeah, She-Hulk is a fun show so far but not much else

Which is fine, just not top tier

I mean it's in the upper Tier of mcu shows because most of them are pretty weak

Like it's worse than Hawkeye or WandaVision but not much else

UltimaterializerX posted...

I find it impossible anyone could actually objectively think this. The writers are untalented activist garbage, and Maslany is paying the biggest price for it. There is no way anyone could watch Orphan Black and then pretend this show is any good.

Its a show about a lawyer and they barely show any lawyering because the writers clearly dont know what theyre doing.

Spoilers: Lawyering is fucking boring. Nobody wants to seriously watch the lawyering part. It's better in these bits of nonsense superhero stuff. They're doing a fine job with it and I enjoy the show well enough because it captures a lot of the feel of She-Hulk comics.

My main issue is that I'm kinda ready for She-Hulk to feel more like the empowered badass woman she usually is. But I expect that for the finale, unfortunately.

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Spoilers: Lawyering is fucking boring. Nobody wants to seriously watch the lawyering part.

Sorry but BCS had a multi-season arc involving a bank expansion and a nursing home class-action lawsuit and it was great.

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Lawyering is fucking boring. Nobody wants to seriously watch the lawyering part.

That was the best part of the She-Hulk comic series, and television ratings pretty much bear out that lawyering shows are very popular, so I'm not sure where you're getting that position.

This show could have been super-Boston Legal, and that would have been the absolute right way to go, which is having a little piece of realistic lawyering and a larger piece of nonsensical comedic lawyering, only all of it geared to superhero culture. It's kind of a shame that they are so adverse to having just a little bit of that anchor.

XIII_Rocks posted...

Sorry but BCS had a multi-season arc involving a bank expansion and a nursing home class-action lawsuit and it was great.

Better Call Saul has a lot of lawyering stuff that's great and I love that show, and they do a good job with what they do, but what makes that arc good isn't the lawyering part of it but how it plays out for the characters.

You're comparing BCS to a puff pop lawyer show where they come up with a bunch of dumb jokes that only have a one-episode shelf life. Anything more than one self-contained episode and it probably sucks. We had a little more than one episode for the Abomination stuff and that was pushing it.

She-Hulk CAN and has done multiple episode stuff in her comics, and it might have been nice to do an overarching plot with one single case, but they're trying to establish enough with her that the one shot stories are probably better to not cram in too much. And I'd love to see that the next season, but let's not pretend the vast majority of these stories aren't better suited by showing less of the legal process.

I think the best approach is to have it be a little more Harvey Birdman

Just give me slightly absurd superhero lawyering as the a-stories and silly subplots or mcu stuff as b-stories and I'd be satisfied

I feel like such an idiot for not realizing how much of the negative discourse surrounding certain parts of Phase 4 (mostly regarding the new Thor and She-Hulk) comes from people who said those parts looked bad anyway pre-release and then gloating about how they were "right" afterwards. I'd ask why they even feel the need to cover stuff they're obviously not interested in, but I guess they need some of that green. Not entirely on-topic but I feel similarly about Wonder Woman 1984, finding that movie to be merely mediocre instead of complete garbage.

I've lost a lot of my enthusiasm for the MCU lately, but I didn't feel the need to write that in this topic until now. Kind of sad since I'm still enamored with the Infinity Saga, particularly Phase 3, but sometimes you just have to let go.

Johnbobb posted...

I think the best approach is to have it be a little more Harvey Birdman

Just give me slightly absurd superhero lawyering as the a-stories and silly subplots or mcu stuff as b-stories and I'd be satisfied

I mean, this would definitely be ideal for sure. I still think this show is too crammed and that if you wanted to do something like this while also giving She-Hulk herself more development, you need it to be hour long episodes.

LMS returns with the "people who hate She-Hulk are bigots" posts

Yea I think the biggest failing of the MCU shows so far has been length, whether it be series length or episode length. Most of them have felt like they are trying to cram too much into too little and a couple have felt like not enough in too little.

I still maintain that the first fight in episode one with She-Hulk and Titania is actually the worst thing that has ever been put out in the MCU and they should be embarrassed to have let that into the episode.

Ep1 was just a quick trouncing to welcome She-Hulk into the lawyerland and it was quickly over to close the ep.

I think the ep3 wrecking crew ambush was more jarring for me with the CGI clearly being hidden behind awkward cuts during punches. I'm really not someone bothered by CGI often but I felt it there.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Second fight was also trash. Titania takes a Hulk punch to the face just fine but slipping on some ice knocks her teeth out.

Never hitch your wagon to activist writing. I genuinely feel bad for Maslany, because shes the only main character in the entire show thats even trying.

Dude, Gonzaga has been on par with Maslany the entire show.

It's hard to say "length" is the problem with the MCU shows when you can just say "writing".

A lot of these writers have failed to deliver a combination of a compelling story and a proper character development/exploration. At the very least, they haven't known how to combine the two. I think this is why Hawkeye stands out: Hawkeye really pulled you into the personal plight of Kate Bishop, and paired it with meaningful relationships with many characters, including Hawkeye, her mom, Duquesne, Yelena, and then things even got personal with the big man. The story was relatively simple, but that's okay because everything was put together well.

Other shows just fail to do that as much. Moon Knight shucks its interesting main character to focus on lame plot elements, then pulls a 180 to try to do a character episode that is undeserved. Ms. Marvel fails to unite anything at any point. F&WS couldn't do much to make you care about the characters at all (and that Zemo dancing was the most successful thing is crucifying of the show).

WandaVision had its best moment when exploring the character. Loki is probably a more complete show than the others named. But length wouldn't save shows like Ms. Marvel and Moon Knight. Caring about the characters more and delivering better plots would, without being at the expense of the other.

That said, I do think length would help out She-Hulk. Just feels like the show needs longer episodes.

Though this may be a side-effect of having spent a year watching the Good Wife and the Good Fight.

Leonhart4 posted...

LMS returns with the "people who hate She-Hulk are bigots" posts

That was not the intention but whatever.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

It's hard to say "length" is the problem with the MCU shows when you can just say "writing".

A lot of these writers have failed to deliver a combination of a compelling story and a proper character development/exploration. At the very least, they haven't known how to combine the two. I think this is why Hawkeye stands out: Hawkeye really pulled you into the personal plight of Kate Bishop, and paired it with meaningful relationships with many characters, including Hawkeye, her mom, Duquesne, Yelena, and then things even got personal with the big man. The story was relatively simple, but that's okay because everything was put together well.

Other shows just fail to do that as much. Moon Knight shucks its interesting main character to focus on lame plot elements, then pulls a 180 to try to do a character episode that is undeserved. Ms. Marvel fails to unite anything at any point. F&WS couldn't do much to make you care about the characters at all (and that Zemo dancing was the most successful thing is crucifying of the show).

WandaVision had its best moment when exploring the character. Loki is probably a more complete show than the others named. But length wouldn't save shows like Ms. Marvel and Moon Knight. Caring about the characters more and delivering better plots would, without being at the expense of the other.

Have to agree, WandaVision and Hawkeye have been my favorite shows so far for how they make the most out of exploring the characters in a limited episode count, with the former having a more emotional approach to make Wanda's actions and experiences hit harder, and the latter having a straightforward "Christmas beating up criminals" plot for more room regarding the interactions. She-Hulk shows well how the other shows seem to not fully deliver, and I really enjoyed the first four episodes but the last two felt to me not as inspired and just going through the motions.

Still, for all its flaws at least the company still knows what it's doing, as this tweet sums up: https://twitter.com/tonygoldmark/status/1569516679490830337

Loki and like half of WandaVision was the only good stuff everything else has been bad

yet still I continue to consume

post-loki shows > up-to-loki shows

sans ms marvel

I guess I have low standards because I've generally liked all the shows

Ms. Marvel really pushed its luck though

I also enjoyed all the shows

theres issues with all of them, but theyre still generally a good time hangout with characters I like

I actually liked Ms. Marvel, then she went to Pakistan and it lost steam, then the finale happened which I consider top 3 worst moments in MCU, ever

did not even finish moon knight

finished Falcon and Winter Soldier but to this day "Falcon can't get a loan" is one of my go-to punchlines

UltimaterializerX posted...

The TV shows might suck, but the movies are still really good.

I will say tho that as the only Altered Carbon fan on the planet, its nice seeing Renee Elise Goldsberry again.

You do know how famous she is, right?

UltimaterializerX posted...

That might honestly be the dumbest plot in the entire MCU, if not all of television. I get it, black people have it hard in America. if they arent famous. In MCU land, Falcon would be more famous than Tiger Woods and Barack Obama combined. He would never be pulled over by police or be hard for money.

Hey Elon, you want to put the Tesla logo on one of my wings for 2 billion dollars?

Only two? You suck at negotiating bro.

I got Zuck on the other one. Meta isnt really taking off like he thought it would.

FOH with this dumb shit.

Are you forgetting the time he spent as a fugitive? What about the times that black celebrities have had problems with police despite their fame? Falcon asking for money from any one seems like it would be really out of character for him and that would have actually upset me more than seeing him get rejected at the bank. Besides the bank scene was important to the overall message the show was attempting to address.

That wasn't meant to be insulting, though I do see it reads that way.

LeonhartFour posted...

I guess I have low standards because I've generally liked all the shows

Same here

I enjoyed most of the 2021 slate (aside from Falcon/WS), but the slate from this year has ranged from average to awful (Ms. Marvel struck me as BAD CW. Not even standard Arrowverse, I'm talking the real dregs - just crazy bad writing that started decently with the first episode and just spiraled into nonsense). I certainly can see what people like about She-Hulk, but it's hit-or-miss for me. There are aspects of Jen's character that constantly seem surprised-pikachu-face about what's going on, and it's a little headscratching to me. I think there's this constant push-pull of wanting to go into new genres and directions with these later shows while still adhering to MCU traditionalism, and it results in a lot of sloppiness on these shows which I would say never is an issue with the films.