Current Events > Gacha Game General Topic 31: ''Lost to the sands of time''

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According to the reroll guide it should work.

The code went to my spam folder, but yes, salted emails work.

I haven't seen anything that requires the best units yet. I've gotten about 4 SRs from getting to ch 3. It's honestly not too bad of a rate, or I'm getting lucky.

The Pilgrim units are where a lot of the best stuff is at I think? They are not available on the first tutorial pull.

I got one Pilgrim unit, which is Noah. She has invincible on her active, which is pretty sick and was massively clutch for the really hard Ch 2 EX.

Ch 2 EX is pretty difficult, but this is where doing the party guard or stop shooting comes really clutch (or if you have Noah like I do, use her invincibility to tank the missiles if you fail to stop it). Just make sure to interrupt the attacks above all else. Timing your bullet time thingy for when you get to the camera focusing on the missiles is a pretty good strategy. Honestly been a pretty cool game thus far. Looks and plays cooler than most of the gacha stuff I've sorta just burned through with minimal effort recently

Also add me on NA, 00075193. The friend stuff seems bugged? I can't send requests to randos

Yeah, as was said salted works. I never did get the ones I tried last night though. Maybe Ill give it another try today then with hopefully an account that doesnt just give me dupes and a loli. Not sure I will though. That still wont make up for the annoying battle system.

Taking a break from Priconne (already a few days by now).

Will be bad if Neural Cloud releases, lol. That'd be 4 gacha games on my phone.

Nikke is fun so far. But for such a big launch, the devs are really stingy with their launch rewards. You would think we would get a SSR selector considering how big the cast is on launch or a launch banner that everyone can pull on without paying.

Kinda seems like they're banking on whales spending exuberant amounts of money to get their waifus and leaving F2P players behind. Bit of a red flag, tbh.

Soma posted...

Nikke is fun so far. But for such a big launch, the devs are really stingy with their launch rewards. You would think we would get a SSR selector considering how big the cast is on launch or a launch banner that everyone can pull on without paying.

Kinda seems like they're banking on whales spending exuberant amounts of money to get their waifus and leaving F2P players behind. Bit of a red flag, tbh.

The difficulty and ratings seems very arbitrary. A few points over the enemy? Obliterate them. A few points under? Dont even bother trying.

Also the boss death animation was playing for an EX mission and I got a communication error. Lost the progress. Blah

Soma posted...

Nikke is fun so far. But for such a big launch, the devs are really stingy with their launch rewards. You would think we would get a SSR selector considering how big the cast is on launch or a launch banner that everyone can pull on without paying.

Kinda seems like they're banking on whales spending exuberant amounts of money to get their waifus and leaving F2P players behind. Bit of a red flag, tbh.

Its a shame since Destiny Child, their other game, is incredibly generous.

NIKKE is probably the most disappointing gacha for me in recent memory. I'm just not feeling it. I'll probably drop soon and just wait for Neutral Cloud.

HudGard posted...

The difficulty and ratings seems very arbitrary. A few points over the enemy? Obliterate them. A few points under? Dont even bother trying.

Also the boss death animation was playing for an EX mission and I got a communication error. Lost the progress. Blah

For the main story, what I've seen is that only offense matters. The enemies don't even do enough damage to kill a pure dps unit not covering for anything but reload.

But for every other stuff especially the EX stages, defense matters as much as offense. You also need an AOE unit or two on a pure basis that you need to clear out the missiles and mobs for the sake of defense advantages.

I don't have the supposed SS rank DPS so maybe I'm out of touch with how much defense is actually needed, but from the units that I have, there are some legitimate and hard to immediately pinpoint strategic stuff that's required in a lot of the harder content

Also I'd recommend just not rerolling and just starting. The first 20 pulls aren't gonna get you a whole lot tbh. Once you get 1 unit that's good, just start. Rapi is one of the better DPS in the game, so it's not like you can't play

Rerolling NIKKE.

Got Yuni from tutorial roll and immediately got another SSR (Epinel) on the first ticket, so I'll stick with this one.

The info says you can set a wishlist and only pull those SSR, but I dont see where to do that

IIRC, you need to do 40 pulls to unlock said wishlist first.

Also said wishlist doesn't work for Pilgrims, so that one smug Yui Ogura is pretty out of my reach.

Codes that can only be used by a certain number of people is yet another idiotic thing theyve done.

Stagmar posted...

Codes that can only be used by a certain number of people is yet another idiotic thing theyve done.

Lmao, they actually did this? Literally why.

Genuinely baffles me they are making bad choices when they do the exact opposite in their other gacha game. Wonder how much comes from the publisher, or just them not having the same people overseeing and telling them a better way to do it.

Yep. I dont totally get the need for codes to have an expiry date, since what does it matter if someone down the line can get the benefit too, but theyve been a thing forever and any gacha with codes has them. Codes that expire after x number of people enter them though? Thats just scummy and only rewards those who actively consume every piece of media a code could be in.

Yeah, just dropped NIKKE. I'll stick with Memento Mori for now for the idle fix. The gameplay is non existent but I've been digging the casual nature of the game with awesome music and art.

This isn't something I've personally experienced, but just as a warning to people who are planning to pay in Nikke not all paid gems count as paid. Apparently only the ones in the gem shop part of the cash shop count as paid gems. The others are free gems you pay for.

It's basically the same as FGO. Back when GSSRs were 30 SQ, you had to buy the $25 + $12 pack because bonus SQ didn't count as paid. Now that GSSRs are 15 SQ, it's $12 + three $1 packs.

I just got a monthly pack but I don't plan on spending more. But yes I think usually the only paid gems are the ones that explicitly say paid. Just assume rest are free

*shrug* I figured that since I've seen this brought in multiple places it was different then normal. Only gachas I've ever spent on are ones that either don't have a separation between free and paid currency, or call them completely different things. I think the issue might be that the descriptions in the shop don't say paid vs free (or at least I assume they don't. I already uninstalled it before seeing this mentioned).

I dropped Nikke as well. I dont really like how PtN works with how you deploy all your units at the start and they just die with no way of coming back, so that might be next on the chopping block :<

Stagmar posted...

*shrug* I figured that since I've seen this brought in multiple places it was different then normal. Only gachas I've ever spent on are ones that either don't have a separation between free and paid currency, or call them completely different things. I think the issue might be that the descriptions in the shop don't say paid vs free (or at least I assume they don't. I already uninstalled it before seeing this mentioned).

I believe it says paid in the corner in all the paid gems I've seen. Honestly, I don't really know if this game really needs it yet. I'm taking my time with it, and the story mode is fairly lengthy thus far. It's nice to have as many units, but I guess it's just too hard to achieve this F2P.

In my eyes, even generous gachas are extremely predatory. So I think because this game is a bit more hyped and popular, it's getting under bigger fire, but in reality, it's not really that different from most other gachas, monetary design wise

I guess I should clarify though, I don't wanna defend the game too much, and people are probably right that it's stupidly greedy. But I just think all gachas are bad and greedy, but some are only slightly worse than others. Honestly, if you want bodacious babes, there are several just one time paid games you can play out there with vastly better gameplay, story, graphics, etc.

The only reason to really play gachas is because of the gambling aspect that's also tied to the hero collector aspect. I think every time gachas "feel bad" is because the gambling aspect is made to be inconvenient more than anything else. I guess for me, I'm more or less admiring some of the technical aspect, and coming off Path to Nowhere briefly, it's refreshing to read a story that fucking makes any resemblance of attempt at readability. But I'll probably get tired of it at one point in this supposedly infamous Ch 5 wall that makes it really hard for F2Ps to progress through in a day.

Personally, while there are definitely ones worse and greedier ones out there, Nikke feels greedier and with more asinine decisions than most Ive tried. Maybe it wouldnt be as bad if they hadnt already made DC. But thats just my experience and most of the attention on its many flaw could still just be because it was hyped. All I know is that I wasnt particularly invested in it in the lead up and I still found it worse than I was expecting.

Yeah, I don't fault those who are dropping Nikke.

Personally, I am enjoying the game and am currently willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, due to enjoying their other game. But this one definitely is stingy, even if it does seem typical to other idle games in many regards.

It has fun gameplay, a decent enough story and good VA for the most part. Just a shame that they are failing in other regards and do hope they can fix it as could have something pretty good if they can.

Lol

https://twitter.com/westhalltv/status/1588854900934709250?s=20&t=8N4mASecc8DJaeDI9FvFWA

>Alice/Yuni top tier

Checks out.

I'm enjoying Nikke so far. It took me roughly 10 rerolls throughout the first three days to get a decent team. (One reroll got me Emma 4 times with no other SSR)
I just hope I can get to a point where I can do the dailies in 15 minutes or so. Games that take longer than that I tend to drop.
I definitely suck at the EX stages.

Ch 5 was definitely not as hard as some people were saying. I had to try the last boss 2 times because I wasn't sure what to expect, but the boss is exceedingly weak to short ranged units, and the game explicitly tells you this on the prep screen by slapping a 100% on short range.

I have to wonder if people uhh... just look at the tier list and just run headfirst with a dumb comp. You can level normalize in this game, which makes it easy to use more than 5 units in your cycle.

legendarylemur posted...

Ch 5 was definitely not as hard as some people were saying. I had to try the last boss 2 times because I wasn't sure what to expect, but the boss is exceedingly weak to short ranged units, and the game explicitly tells you this on the prep screen by slapping a 100% on short range.

I have to wonder if people uhh... just look at the tier list and just run headfirst with a dumb comp. You can level normalize in this game, which makes it easy to use more than 5 units in your cycle.

Same tbh. I just had to wait a day to level up so I matched the power level and it was fine.

This is getting ridiculous. Ive said Ive dropped Nikke, and I have more than half a dozen times these last few days. I uninstall it and delete the instance, but then later I think stuff along the lines of you know, maybe theyll improve it soon. Maybe theyll learn their lesson. Maybe I should play just in case and then I reinstall it and create a new account only to delete it again. Sometimes I only make it to the initial fight before thinking what the hell am I doing? Other times I make it past the first pulls. None of the times have I actually gone beyond the first time at the lobby. I dont why Im doing this.

I can't imagine rerolling being your entire experience to be enjoyable in any context, tbh.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NikkeMobile/comments/yoehah/credits_to_some_japanese_player_your_units_stats/

This actually explains why people potentially had trouble. Seems if you ever had trouble with a stage, you just need like sheer levels and stats to level yourself out. That's a bit sus tbh

You are coping so hard.

Tennousu posted...

You are coping so hard.

Me? I'm sympathizing with him, but I can't tell from what I said that was blatantly wrong...

legendarylemur posted...

Me? I'm sympathizing with him, but I can't tell from what I said that was blatantly wrong...

No, mine was to Stagmar. Coping with the hope of the experience would get better.

I did the same, but to Arknights. Suffice to say, it didn't end well and I uninstalled it the 2nd time.

legendarylemur posted...

This actually explains why people potentially had trouble. Seems if you ever had trouble with a stage, you just need like sheer levels and stats to level yourself out. That's a bit sus tbh

This is not surprising. Ys (Falcom's game) does this, too.

Underleveled, you get smacked hard.
Get even, the game becomes fun again.
Overleveled even one level, you starts to wonder what the hell the calculation behind the scene is.

Tennousu posted...

This is not surprising. Ys (Falcom's game) does this, too.

Underleveled, you get smacked hard.
Get even, the game becomes fun again.
Overleveled even one level, you starts to wonder what the hell the calculation behind the scene is.

Yup, been shown if you even a smidge underleveled your units get nerfed to about 70% power. But think that isn't that rare in idle games, still a load of nonsense though.

Tennousu posted...

No, mine was to Stagmar. Coping with the hope of the experience would get better.

I did the same, but to Arknights. Suffice to say, it didn't end well and I uninstalled it the 2nd time.

This is not surprising. Ys (Falcom's game) does this, too.

Underleveled, you get smacked hard.
Get even, the game becomes fun again.
Overleveled even one level, you starts to wonder what the hell the calculation behind the scene is.

A lot of games have a level scaling mechanic that makes stats/equipment basically useless.

It came to a head on WOW when level 80 druids started soloing raid bosses from vanilla.

Stagmar posted...

This is getting ridiculous. Ive said Ive dropped Nikke, and I have more than half a dozen times these last few days. I uninstall it and delete the instance, but then later I think stuff along the lines of you know, maybe theyll improve it soon. Maybe theyll learn their lesson. Maybe I should play just in case and then I reinstall it and create a new account only to delete it again. Sometimes I only make it to the initial fight before thinking what the hell am I doing? Other times I make it past the first pulls. None of the times have I actually gone beyond the first time at the lobby. I dont why Im doing this.

I did the same after seeing they gave two additional multis to reroll with. Ended up with a much better team this time around, but who knows how long it'll last before it gets another uninstall.

This isn't even about rerolling. I don't even make it to the pulling most of the times. Quite a few of the times I delete it at the first battle. I have literally no idea why I'm doing this. There is nothing about it I actually like.

I will say Nikke has a lot of problems, probably too many for justify paying for at all or to even keep playing at a long extent, but the gameplay is definitely better than what some people will give credit for, esp outside the tutorial. It's pretty deep and the boss designs have been great, but the roster is excessively weak thus far, with SRs outside Rapi being pretty weak, and some SSRs being really bad. Luckily, due to synching levels, you don't really need to pull SSR dupes yet. You can in fact lvl all your SSRs to lvl 160 eventually, as long as you use maxed SR units for your highest lvled units. It takes 10 gems to reset a unit's level so it's not the end of the world if you messed it up

But god that stat differential is so comically excessive. I think after experiments, people have concluded that 25% is the floor (even if you're literally 1 point away from the rec power level, your stats will drop 25%, which makes it really hard to beat any stage), and depending on further power level differences, 90% stat drop is maximum, which is honestly fucking ridiculous.

It's to the point where a lot of your victories are just based off of passing that threshold and just fielding random units.

That being said, this also means the tier list actually never really mattered. You're not beating a lot of stages under the threshold even with SS tier units, which btw I recently just pulled Ludmilla, the best tank in the game. I have the best tank and the 2nd best tank >.> and I still need to rely on Rapi for all my damage... Also another btw, the EX stages have fixed lvls and do not have a recommended power level, so they do not give the same penalties

Tier list not mattering means like you honestly should just be getting characters that you like the looks of. If that unit happened to be a Pilgrim unit, you'll be in a lot of pain, and I don't recommend you play the game

legendarylemur posted...

I will say Nikke has a lot of problems, probably too many for justify paying for at all or to even keep playing at a long extent, but the gameplay is definitely better than what some people will give credit for, esp outside the tutorial. It's pretty deep and the boss designs have been great, but the roster is excessively weak thus far, with SRs outside Rapi being pretty weak.

Eh, this is just true of most idle games I've found. The SR's are worthless and not used outside of your initial start.

Am enjoying the gameplay though, for sure.

legendarylemur posted...

But god that stat differential is so comically excessive. I think after experiments, people have concluded that 25% is the floor, and depending on further power level differences, 90% stat drop is maximum, which is honestly fucking ridiculous.

It's crap, but Nikke is far from the only game, or even gacha to do it. Will always criticise it though, and noted it in their survey that it's a load of crap. Just let people push as far as they can, even with an underpowered team.

Funkydog posted...

Eh, this is just true of most idle games I've found. The SR's are worthless and not used outside of your initial start.

Am enjoying the gameplay though, for sure.

It's crap, but Nikke is far from the only game, or even gacha to do it. Will always criticise it though, and noted it in their survey that it's a load of crap. Just let people push as far as they can, even with an underpowered team.

Yeah it's not the first time I've seen it, but it's bad every time I see it. 25% is such a huge drop off that it basically nullifies any strategy and just bases your performance purely on your resources

legendarylemur posted...

Yeah it's not the first time I've seen it, but it's bad every time I see it. 25% is such a huge drop off that it basically nullifies any strategy and just bases your performance purely on your resources

Agreed. Sadly, it seems the "standard" way to gatekeep you, rather than just letting the natural powerscaling keep you back. I guess it is at the start, so they don't want people to reach the end of what they have.

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