Poll of the Day > Salman Rushdie attacked in Western NY

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Lokarin
08/12/22 10:04:36 PM
#51:


streamofthesky posted...
https://twitter.com/Josiensor/status/1558230358134587395?t=f4BJp4dE3brYDnE1_BlWNQ&s=19

that's not good... you can get stabbed in the brain in some places and live, but you nick the liver and your life is basically a gamble

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Jen0125
08/12/22 10:24:46 PM
#52:


streamofthesky posted...
https://twitter.com/Josiensor/status/1558230358134587395?t=f4BJp4dE3brYDnE1_BlWNQ&s=19

Jesus that is brutal
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Cacciato
08/13/22 12:04:58 AM
#53:


Jen0125 posted...
Why do you discount the good that Muslims do through Islam? Is it just because you are Islamophobic?
And Muscles was never seen again in this topic
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Muscles
08/13/22 1:27:51 AM
#54:


ReturnOfFa posted...
Uh no, the topic is about Salman Rushdie getting stabbed. You decided to claim that Muslims do less violence than Christians as a little add-on.

You did discount Christian violence by suggesting that they're mainly concerned with minor things like warning labels. Now, that's kinda discounting Christian violence by omission, so I get it if you're not that aware of it. Maybe you're not aware you do/did this. You should absolutely acknowledge that Christian extremists are just as violent, just as reactive, and just as plentiful (if not way more in the USA) as Islamic extremists.

Yeah, I know that a "joe shmoe Christian" isn't a bad guy, generally. Although, the way Christians vote in America, I could see why people start to see them as 'bad guys'. My mom would probably be dead under the weird Christian influenced abortion laws in many of the US states.
Christians are probably the 2nd worst, besides radical fringe groups which are too plentiful across the world to really count.

Jen0125 posted...
Why do you discount the good that Muslims do through Islam? Is it just because you are Islamophobic?
I never did, there's a lot of good Muslims, there's more good than bad and many of them are upstanding, moral people that make the world a better place.

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BlackScythe0
08/13/22 1:41:42 AM
#55:


Cacciato posted...
And Muscles was never seen again in this topic

lol
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Jen0125
08/13/22 2:37:18 AM
#56:


Muscles posted...
I never did, there's a lot of good Muslims, there's more good than bad and many of them are upstanding, moral people that make the world a better place.

You do discount it by immediately caping for Christianity when no one even was talking about it
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Cacciato
08/13/22 3:26:30 AM
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Jen0125 posted...
You do discount it by immediately caping for Christianity when no one even was talking about it
weird how he abandoned Christianity just to convert to becoming a fucking idiot. (Previous opinions ignored)
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Krazy_Kirby
08/13/22 12:09:16 PM
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punching or stabbing?

which is it? kind of important

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Jen0125
08/13/22 1:05:45 PM
#59:


Krazy_Kirby posted...
punching or stabbing?

which is it? kind of important

Do you even read the news or this topic? It's already been clarified since yesterday.
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Callmege
08/13/22 1:39:29 PM
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Religion of Peace!

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Count_Drachma
08/13/22 1:52:40 PM
#61:


KODY POSTED...
Fundamentalists from many major religions have made threats against him for his writings, so let's not jump to conclusions as to which radical extremist group the attacker identified with.

Oh lawdy... apologism 101. The most visible threats came from one quarter and, as we very quickly learned, so did the attacker. While you could've argued it might have been over anything (which would be true), this is just an absurd statement that aged badly in hours.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/who-is-hadi-matar-nj-man-suspected-in-salman-rushdie-attack/3822984/

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Count_Drachma
08/13/22 2:01:29 PM
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CynicalZealot posted...
To be fair, I'm not sure I've ever heard of any Evangelist Christians murdering cartoonists for drawing pictures of Jesus.

Yeah, the false equivocations are insane.

BlackScythe0 posted...
Crying over a war on christmas is completely justified and not sensitive at all.

How many people have been murdered in reaction to the "war on Christmas"? I'll wait.

Or maybe you can explain how a nasty letter or some mean tweets are exactly the same as acts of violence.

BlackScythe0 posted...
Imagine trying to argue "Yea these guys suck, but these guys are worse"

Imagine handwaving violence by false equivocation and then falsely equivocating the respective treatment of women. Oh wait, you don't have to imagine, you've done all that and more in this topic.

And it's somewhat telling how much time you've spent condemning Christians in a topic when you can't even bring yourself to condemn Rushdie's attacker even ONCE. What was it? Five posts attacking Christians -- up to the point of that post -- when you haven't even said a negative word about the scumbag who attacked Rushdie?


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streamofthesky
08/13/22 2:17:03 PM
#63:


Count_Drachma posted...
Oh lawdy... apologism 101. The most visible threats came from one quarter and, as we very quickly learned, so did the attacker. While you could've argued it might have been over anything (which would be true), this is just an absurd statement that aged badly in hours.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/who-is-hadi-matar-nj-man-suspected-in-salman-rushdie-attack/3822984/
Oh, look! it's exactly what we thought.

The suspect, 24-year-old Hadi Matar, was born in California, but recently moved to New Jersey, according to law enforcement sources familiar with the investigation. His last listed address was in Fairview, a Bergen County borough just across the Hudson River from Manhattan. FBI officials were seen going into the home of Matar Friday evening.
Sources said that Matar also had a fake New Jersey driver's license on him.

The 24-year-old was arrested on a felony charge of second-degree attempted murder for the attack on the acclaimed novelist as well as second-degree assault for an injury to the event's moderator, state police said Saturday. Matar was being held without bail in the Chautauqua County Jail and was expected to be arraigned later Saturday, Chautauqua County DA Jason Schmidt said.

"This is the very early stage of what will invariably be a protracted legal process," Schmidt said in a statement. "We will try to be as transparent as we can without compromising the case."

Spectator Kathleen Jones said the attacker was dressed in black, with a black mask.

How is this 2nd-degree? Sounds very premeditated to me.

State Police Maj. Eugene Staniszewski said the motive for the stabbing was unclear. A preliminary law enforcement review of Matar's social media accounts shows he is sympathetic to Shia extremism and Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps causes, a law enforcement person with direct knowledge of the investigation told NBC News. There are no definitive links to the IRGC but the initial assessment indicates he is sympathetic to the Iranian government group, the official says.

Sounds like they do have a motive, but are unwilling to say it plainly.

Gentle reminder that Iran is a giant flaming piece of shit and has had a fatwa on Rushdie and anyone involved with him for decades. Their bounty's led to numerous people being murdered, as Zeus's article details.
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ReturnOfFa
08/14/22 12:01:59 AM
#64:


Count_Drachma posted...
KODY POSTED...

Oh lawdy... apologism 101. The most visible threats came from one quarter and, as we very quickly learned, so did the attacker. While you could've argued it might have been over anything (which would be true), this is just an absurd statement that aged badly in hours.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/who-is-hadi-matar-nj-man-suspected-in-salman-rushdie-attack/3822984/
Yeah, well, some other people took the chance in this topic to suck off Christianity for no real reason. It wasn't absurd to not pass judgement until we knew, and now we do.

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Firewood18
08/14/22 1:30:37 AM
#65:


Religion is dangerously dumb. Islam takes a point for this round.

cast into the future where evil is law


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Krazy_Kirby
08/14/22 1:32:38 AM
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clearly the answer is to condemn all religion equally

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Kyuubi4269
08/14/22 1:41:55 AM
#67:


streamofthesky posted...
How is this 2nd-degree? Sounds very premeditated to me.

The US legal system is mentally handicapped, so if they try to push for first degree and the evidence isn't perfect, they could get away with it. By going for the lesser charge, they can prove it more definitively to get a conviction. The US has never heard of just charging people with what they're found to have done.

Krazy_Kirby posted...
clearly the answer is to condemn all religion equally

Except the vast majority comes from Christianity and Islam. Judaism, Buddhism and a whole array of Pagan practices are innocuous, people who do bad in those religions are typically more subject to political leaders that happen to fly the banner than any tenets of the religion in the first place.

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Lokarin
08/14/22 1:43:28 AM
#68:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
The US legal system is mentally handicapped, so if they try to push for first degree and the evidence isn't perfect, they could get away with it. By going for the lesser charge, they can prove it more definitively to get a conviction. The US has never heard of just charging people with what they're found to have done.

Wouldn't it be better to just prove guilt first and then let Sentencing decide if it was 1st or 2nd or whatever?

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Kyuubi4269
08/14/22 1:45:45 AM
#69:


Lokarin posted...


Wouldn't it be better to just prove guilt first and then let Sentencing decide if it was 1st or 2nd or whatever?

That would be common sense, so no, the US legal system isn't going to do that.

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Firewood18
08/14/22 1:48:35 AM
#70:


Krazy_Kirby posted...
clearly the answer is to condemn all religion equally
Nope. Although most religions bost of equality there are always sects that hold close to condemnation of others. There is no answer. Just wanting and waiting.

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ReturnOfFa
08/14/22 12:56:37 PM
#71:


Krazy_Kirby posted...
clearly the answer is to condemn all religion equally
We don't agree often - on this we do. I just see it as completely braindead to take an event like this and somehow use it to say 'ohhh this religion is worse/better than this other one'. No, they're all shit.

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Jen0125
08/14/22 12:57:43 PM
#72:


Krazy_Kirby posted...
clearly the answer is to condemn all religion equally

Yes
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OmegaM
08/14/22 1:23:36 PM
#73:


We are all pretty sure that this guy who attacked Salman Rushdie did so due to Islamic extremism, right? I mean, the guy has Arab name and seems to have spent time on Islamic extremist websites, though I don't think we have any direct evidence about his motive.

Some conservatives are saying we need to make clearer that it was an Islamic extremist who attacked Salman Rushdie.
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ReturnOfFa
08/14/22 2:25:46 PM
#74:


OmegaM posted...
We are all pretty sure that this guy who attacked Salman Rushdie did so due to Islamic extremism, right? I mean, the guy has Arab name and seems to have spent time on Islamic extremist websites, though I don't think we have any direct evidence about his motive.

Some conservatives are saying we need to make clearer that it was an Islamic extremist who attacked Salman Rushdie.
just a tip, not every Muslim has an 'Arab' name, and I kinda doubt you're actually that well versed in "Arab" names.

those Conservatives are just trying to use this as an opportunity to shit on Islam while they stroke the Pope's cock re: Christianity. it was known that this was an Islamic extremist as soon as it was confirmed. they don't want it 'clearer', they want it further emphasized and hammered on so they can act like Christians are better, when they're not.

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Zareth
08/14/22 10:42:22 PM
#75:


ReturnOfFa posted...


those Conservatives are just trying to use this as an opportunity to shit on Islam while they stroke the Pope's cock re: Christianity.
Most Christian Conservatives hate Catholicism dude

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ReturnOfFa
08/14/22 10:48:54 PM
#76:


Zareth posted...
Most Christian Conservatives hate Catholicism dude
lol good for them (while they still adhere to certain BS they agree on)

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