Current Events > Annnnnd they blamed video games

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BeyondWalls posted...

Video games didnt cause this, but we cant dismiss the possibility they may factor into this.

They do not. Repeated studies have been done on this, including those funded by people outright desperate to prove a link to violence, and universally there was none. See also, all the other countries in the world that play video games without going on shooting rampages.

Malcrasternus posted...

Why is blaming an object with hundreds of laws and regulations on it already the solution here? People are bypassing or outright ignoring these laws in favor of unleashing evil, yet we punish the law abiding. If you say it's people that can't be trusted, then you also admit that it's the people we need to focus on.

There are thousands of instances of self defense in this country that far and above outweigh these acts of evil.

Probably because this country stands alone and is unique in both its ease of access to firearms and the number of children that have been slain by those easily accessible firearms.

No other country in the world has this problem.

Shadow Don posted...

Probably because this country stands alone and is unique in both its ease of access to firearms and the number of children that have been slain by those easily accessible firearms.

No other country in the world has this problem.

I wonder what the cause is though!!!!

pfh1001 posted...

"We know the killer ate French Fries, so we propose banning McDonald's."

Or, ya know, maybe guns instead?

Arguements like the one made are why I DON'T push gun control as hard as others. I know and empathized with millions of law abiding citizens that did nothing wrong but others will try and take their rights and property away in the name of safety because (well, maybe one or two bad things will happen, but that's too many and better be safe".

lightwarrior78 posted...

Arguements like the one made are why I DON'T push gun control as hard as others. I know and empathized with millions of law abiding citizens that did nothing wrong but others will try and take their rights and property away in the name of safety because (well, maybe one or two bad things will happen, but that's too many and better be safe".

But what if those one or two or 200 this year ARE too many?

Looks like there is a list

https://twitter.com/Liz_Wheeler/status/1530198612105371648

Lebronwon posted...

Looks like there is a list

https://twitter.com/Liz_Wheeler/status/1530198612105371648

But what did he like to eat for dinner? Toilet seat up or down? Boxers or. briefs?

lightwarrior78 posted...

Arguements like the one made are why I DON'T push gun control as hard as others. I know and empathized with millions of law abiding citizens that did nothing wrong but others will try and take their rights and property away in the name of safety because (well, maybe one or two bad things will happen, but that's too many and better be safe".

You know who I empathize with? Dead children! I think we can survive a few laws on responsible gun ownership.

DuneMan posted...

They do not. Repeated studies have been done on this, including those funded by people outright desperate to prove a link to violence, and universally there was none. See also, all the other countries in the world that play video games without going on shooting rampages.

@DuneMan oh for fucks sake. Please read my post before you knee jerk at the first sentence.

Or you could blame the fact that you can just walk into a Walmart and buy an AK47 in America.

I exaggerate slightly but you may as well be able to.

Bokothechoco2 posted...

Or you could blame the fact that you can just walk into a Walmart and buy an AK47 in America.

I exaggerate slightly but you may as well be able to.

After passing a criminal background check. Which this guy did.

"Cyber gaming"?! What the fuck is he talking about?? Is this his pathetic attempt at making gaming sound more dangerous than it is?

BeyondWalls posted...

Please read my post before you knee jerk at the first sentence.

So you're really going to think of games as murder training software? Flick a joystick, learn to gun down a dozen people? Pick up a mouse, now you're ready to kill a hundred?

BeyondWalls posted...

Video games didnt cause this, but we cant dismiss the possibility they may factor into this. Not as a cause, but as a tool the shooter used. For instance, the 9/11 highjackers used Microsoft Flight Simulator to become familiar with piloting aircrafts. Its possible the shooter here was using video games to become familiar with the weapons he wanted to use. Thats just my wild speculation, but its something that should be investigated.

Jesus fucking christ dude

Microsoft flight simulator is literally meant to simulate real life

Doom is a video game where you go to hell and shoot demons with plasma laser weapons.

Get a fucking grip.

What a shocker. It's easier to lie and distract than actually do anything.

Tetris makes you murderous!

Post 69 lol

hockeybub89 posted...

Boxers or. briefs?

Both.

It all makes sense now...

In the 50's they blamed comics.

In the 80's they blamed music.

And now, in the 90's and 2000's they blame video games.

When are we blaming hentai?

Malcrasternus posted...

Why is blaming an object with hundreds of laws and regulations on it already the solution here? People are bypassing or outright ignoring these laws in favor of unleashing evil, yet we punish the law abiding. If you say it's people that can't be trusted, then you also admit that it's the people we need to focus on.

There are thousands of instances of self defense in this country that far and above outweigh these acts of evil.

At some point the law abiding citizens must realize the common thread in the fact that very specific weapons are too fucking easy to obtain and need something to be done. Pretty sure thats how a lot of laws based around DUIs with drugs and alcohol came into place and we tend to be harsh on that sort of thing so why isnt it the same for something specifically designed to kill?

Baha05 posted...

At some point the law abiding citizens must realize the common thread in the fact that very specific weapons are too fucking easy to obtain and need something to be done. Pretty sure thats how a lot of laws based around DUIs with drugs and alcohol came into place and we tend to be harsh on that sort of thing so why isnt it the same for something specifically designed to kill?

There's a few hundred laws and regulations on firearms across state and federal levels. And firearm offenses usually end up with the person losing the right, jail time, or getting religious(hole-y) by law enforcement.

I do believe in more consistent federal guidelines, but I still firmly stand by promoting and funding mental health and access to therapy would do magnitudes more. Mass shootings are terrible but 2/3 of all gun deaths combined are suicides. And I'd put good money into the idea that this kid that shared pictures of animal abuse, fought kids in school, threatened their lives, and would cut up his own face because it looked cool to him would have benefitted from someone listening to him about his demons.

Malcrasternus posted...

There's a few hundred laws and regulations our on firearms across state and federal levels. And firearm offenses usually end up with the person losing the right, jail time, or getting religious(hole-y) by law enforcement.

I do believe in more consistent federal guidelines, but I still firmly stand by promoting and funding mental health and access to therapy would do magnitudes more. Mass shootings are terrible but 2/3 of all gun deaths combined are suicides. And I'd put good money into the idea that this kid that shared pictures of animal abuse, fought kids in school, threatened their lives, and would cut up his own face because it looked cool to him would have benefitted from someone listening to him about his demons.

And yet facts are facts, the fact he even got that specific weapon with ease and the fact there is very common ground here should make this a simple solution if people were far up their own asses .

Baha05 posted...

And yet facts are facts, the fact he even got that specific weapon with ease and the fact there is very common ground here should make this a simple solution if people were far up their own asses .

We wanna talk about facts, but when it's mentioned that mass shootings are a statistical zero in the overall scope of gun deaths in the country and the person that points it out is a monster all of a sudden.

Malcrasternus posted...

We wanna talk about facts, but when it's mentioned that mass shootings are a statistical zero in the overall scope of gun deaths in the country and the person that points it out is a monster all of a sudden.

And yet we are hearing about them constantly happening in the news, at some point you are going to have to swallow that fucking pill here This problem isn't getting better it's getting fucking worse.

Video games are not the cause, but there is definitely a correlation.

Malcrasternus posted...

There's a few hundred laws and regulations on firearms across state and federal levels. And firearm offenses usually end up with the person losing the right, jail time, or getting religious(hole-y) by law enforcement.

I do believe in more consistent federal guidelines, but I still firmly stand by promoting and funding mental health and access to therapy would do magnitudes more. Mass shootings are terrible but 2/3 of all gun deaths combined are suicides. And I'd put good money into the idea that this kid that shared pictures of animal abuse, fought kids in school, threatened their lives, and would cut up his own face because it looked cool to him would have benefitted from someone listening to him about his demons.

I agree that suicides and accidental deaths are just as important (or more so given they are a higher percentage of overall death) but I'm not sure how effective mental health availability will be in reducing the former. Or rather, I don't see how what you describing (someone to listen) would significantly reduce suicides more than limitations on handguns (the most frequently used). There's a statistic that women are more likely to attempt suicide while men are more likely to be successful in completing it - one of the reasons for the latter is that men tend to use more lethal means (guns, cars) but are also more impulsive in the decision to do so. How do you see expanded mental health significantly decreasing this?

BeyondWalls posted...

Video games didnt cause this, but we cant dismiss the possibility they may factor into this. Not as a cause, but as a tool the shooter used. For instance, the 9/11 highjackers used Microsoft Flight Simulator to become familiar with piloting aircrafts. Its possible the shooter here was using video games to become familiar with the weapons he wanted to use. Thats just my wild speculation, but its something that should be investigated.

Which video game has the same level of detail in teaching loading, aiming, and firing a weapon as Flight Simulator had in teaching the 9/11 pilots how to fly? Remember they attended actual flight schools as well..

Beefbud posted...

Video games are not the cause, but there is definitely a correlation.

Shut the fuck up.

Beefbud posted...

Video games are not the cause, but there is definitely a correlation.

So is breathing air. What's your point?

Yes, if an already-disturbed individual sees a piece of media that depicts acts of violence, it may compel him or her to further violence, HOWEVER, 99% of people will be able to view this media normally and not be compelled to violence, so banning video games or movies or anything that even remotely depicts violence isn't the answer, because most people aren't disturbed on that level.

In theory, with this same argument of media causing violence, an individual that's disturbed on a certain level could read the Bible or founding fathers' personal letters and not catch the context, twist it in their mind, and still be compelled to violence from it. So the argument here is bollocks. Furthermore, the reason such an individual ended up disturbed like that in the first place cannot be solely contributed to video games.
It's the same deal as the comics code. Shlock.

19 officers.

And they were all afraid of one guy because he had a vest on.

Lebronwon posted...

Looks like there is a list

https://twitter.com/Liz_Wheeler/status/1530198612105371648

But don't add access to firearms to it.

Delta_Force posted...

So is breathing air. What's your point?

Breathing air is nowhere near as closely correlated to mass shootings as playing video games

Shadow Don posted...

Jesus fucking christ dude

Microsoft flight simulator is literally meant to simulate real life

Doom is a video game where you go to hell and shoot demons with plasma laser weapons.

Get a fucking grip.

@Shadow_Don You're confusing two different conversations. The Doom post you read was a side conversation regarding the Columbine shooters. It has nothing to do with the post you quoted.

Beefbud posted...

Breathing air is nowhere near as closely correlated to mass shootings as playing video games

Last time I checked every single shooter and mass shooter used to breathe air (some still do).
Clearly we need to look into banning air breathing since it's evident that air corrupts young peoples minds into committing these atrocities.

Beefbud posted...

Breathing air is nowhere near as closely correlated to mass shootings as playing video games

I actually can't tell if you're joking or not

Malcrasternus posted...

There are thousands of instances of self defense in this country that far and above outweigh these acts of evil.

No, not really.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9715182/

Beefbud posted...

Breathing air is nowhere near as closely correlated to mass shootings as playing video games

More like: nothing in life is near as closely correlated to mass shootings as living in the United States

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

No, not really.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9715182/

Thank you, for showing instances in the home, in three cities. I guess?

https://reason.com/video/2022/03/31/do-studies-show-gun-control-works-no/

But how about the more straightforward question of whether owning a gun makes you more or less safe? One widely influential study that has constantly resurfaced in headlines since it was published in the New England Journal of Medicine in 1993 concluded that, "rather than confer protection, guns kept in the home are associated with an increase in the risk of homicide by a family member or intimate acquaintance."

There are major problems with this study. First of all, the researchers concluded that keeping a gun at home increases a person's risk of being killed, but nearly half the murders they included in their analysis were not committed with a firearm. And among gun owners who were killed with a gun, the authors didn't establish whether the weapon used was the victim's own gun or if it belonged to another person.

This points to another explanation for why research on this topic is so often inconclusive: individual differences can't easily be controlled for in social science research. A gun expert with a gun safe in a high crime neighborhood may well be safer with a gun, whereas a careless alcoholic living in a low crime area who keeps loaded guns in his kids' closet is certainly going to be less safe.

Oh, and for transparency,
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/reason/
Bias Rating: RIGHT-CENTER
Factual Reporting: HIGH
MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY

That said I'm all for safe storage laws. Safes and locks should be heavily discounted for first time buyers and be encouraged to be owned by everyone.

SamsungGearS2 posted...

Post 69 lol

Nice lol

Malcrasternus posted...

Thank you, for showing instances in the home, in three cities. I guess?

https://reason.com/video/2022/03/31/do-studies-show-gun-control-works-no/

Oh, and for transparency,
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/reason/
Bias Rating: RIGHT-CENTER
Factual Reporting: HIGH
MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY

That said I'm all for safe storage laws. Safes and locks should be heavily discounted for first time buyers and be encouraged to be owned by everyone.

Why are you posting a criticism of some 1993 study though? That's not even the study I posted, and the criticism doesn't apply. Mine says that the guns in the home were involved in the homicides/accidents.

Your claim that self-defense instances outweigh misconduct is just mathematically wrong.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/

Only 3 percent of firearm deaths are from something other than homicides/suicides. And that 3% includes accidents and police shootings.

Videogames have nothing to do with this. They could ban games and there will still be mass shootings. I mean who plays GTA or Call of Duty and think "wow i want to kill people in real life now"? Absolutely no one.

Guys, hitler breathed air. Its its roughly when he stopped breathing air that ww2 was coming to a close. Coincidence? All these mass shooters breathe air as well. Its as likely to be a coincidence as gaming correlates to mass shootings does.

Malcrasternus posted...

After passing a criminal background check. Which this guy did.

Stupidest thing Ive ever heard. Nobody is born with a criminal history.

Baha05 posted...

Pretty sure thats how a lot of laws based around DUIs with drugs and alcohol came into place and we tend to be harsh on that sort of thing so why isnt it the same for something specifically designed to kill?

@Baha05
Constitution.

Citizens can bear arms, per the 2nd Amendment. Driving is different. Its just a privilege that they can take away easily. They can prohibit drugs and alcohol as well. The US can amend its Constitution, of course. If they repeal the 2nd A, well, that would be a strong start in stopping the flow of guns in the nation, although I doubt theyd ever be able to eliminate them completely.

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What made you think for a second anything about this place ever had sustainability? Lol

BeyondWalls posted...

Video games didnt cause this, but we cant dismiss the possibility they may factor into this. Not as a cause, but as a tool the shooter used. For instance, the 9/11 highjackers used Microsoft Flight Simulator to become familiar with piloting aircrafts. Its possible the shooter here was using video games to become familiar with the weapons he wanted to use. Thats just my wild speculation, but its something that should be investigated.

That makes no sense. Playing games doesnt help you to know how to use an actual gun. Ive played games most of my life and I probably cant even name more than 3 or 4 different types of guns. And I definitely cant use one

The entire world plays video games, but only the United States has monthly school shootings

Fortunately, the rest of the world doesn't have broken families, so that's why they don't have mass shootings.