Poll of the Day > Senate to vote Wednesday on bill that would make abortion legal nationally

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/05/05/abortion-senate-vote-wednesday-bill-would-make-roe-law/9650319002/
Not gonna pass but one can dream.

Judgmenl posted...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/05/05/abortion-senate-vote-wednesday-bill-would-make-roe-law/9650319002/
Not gonna pass but one can dream.

Even if it did I'm pretty sure SCOTUS could overrule it. That's part of the whole point. SCOTUS can override laws and stuff that are deemed unconstitutional. If RvW is found to be unconstitutional than, no matter how much the senate tries to pass it, SCOTUS can override it. Of course they can't just override stuff on a whim (they have to show it's unconstitutional and I think they can only pass judgements on cases that actually reach them. I.E. they can't just decide Ice Cream is unconstitutional one day). The Senate/Congress, in turn, gets to define what is in the constitution but unless they manage to get an amendment through (as opposed to a law) SCOTUS can overrule them.

That's my, admittedly limited, understanding. If I'm wrong I'm wrong; but I know every branch has some check over the other two to ensure no one branch is too powerful.

Constitution needs an ammendment but you're not gonna get the 2/3 majority to get that through.
This won't even get the 60 votes.

How backwards is it to force women to have babies?

Absolutely backwards. This 50 year debate needs to end

St_Kevin posted...

How backwards is it to force women to have babies?

Absolutely backwards. This 50 year debate needs to end

I feel pretty sure that, if this passes, it's going to revert to something decided by each individual state as opposed to some universal ban on abortion. So somewhere like Cali or Washington could opt forth abortion up to the 369th month or something and it wouldn't affect Kansas's decision to allow it only up to the 3rd month which wouldn't affect Utah's decision to ban it outright which wouldn't affect, I dunno, Connecticut's decision to allow the abortion at any point up to 9 months but only if the father was a convicted clown. We'll likely see women who want one crossing state lines to get it in different ones. I may be wrong about this; but I highly doubt it's also going to revert to some universal ban (as well as highly doubting the number of women craving an abortion that a certain someone on this board believes). I've made my stance on abortion clear in the past and I don't want to start a debate over if it's right or wrong; just what will happen legally if this does get repealed. I feel pretty certain that Republicans see this not as some punishment on women as a whole but, instead, a punishment on the women who want to have causal and irresponsible sex and murder a baby so they can continue to lead a hedonistic lifestyle. Once again, not saying it's right or wrong, just that this is how they see it. Let's also remember that they've been very clear on this stance ever since it got passed so it's not like it's 'new', just something they didn't have the clout/opportunity to pass.

Unbridled9 posted...

We'll likely see women who want one crossing state lines to get it in different ones.

Your problem there is the potential for crossing state lines with intent being made illegal in and of itself.

Sort of like how you can't meet a 17-year old in a state with an Age of Consent that's 18 and then drive her to a state where Age of Consent is 16 to legally fuck them. Or how it used to be a problem with people driving from states with a legal drinking age of 21 to neighboring states with a drinking age of 18 before the federal mandate came through that it had to be 21 everywhere (which is why that mandate was passed in the first place). Or transporting fireworks across state lines from a state where their sale is legal to one where it's illegal. And so on.

Crossing state lines to deliberately subvert the laws of a state is generally frowned on can often become actionable.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Or transporting fireworks across state lines from a state where their sale is legal to one where it's illegal. And so on.

This used to be a huge business for states neighboring Georgia

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Not gonna pass youre right.

But it will force a lot of republicans to vote and own the thing theyve been after for so long but are afraid to now because midterms are around the corner.

Thats how you know youre a shit head, too. When you cant firmly stand behind your beliefs and have to hide them.

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Unfortunately, I think the GOP are gonna win in November. They are going to cheat as much as possible to steal as many seats as they possibly can.

HornedLion posted...

But it will force a lot of republicans to vote and own the thing theyve been after for so long

lmao, no it won't. McConnell will just say the word "filibuster" and it will never get voted on.

papercup posted...

Unfortunately, I think the GOP are gonna win in November. They are going to cheat as much as possible to steal as many seats as they possibly can.

It's the only way they can. Telling them COVID wasn't real was a very dumb game plan.

Metalsonic66 posted...

This used to be a huge business for states neighboring Georgia

Same for New Jersey. Which is why tons of people used to drive to Pennsylvania to buy fireworks every July. Which is why state troopers used to patrol the border and pull people over crossing the border the weekend before the 4th.

Due to weird laws, fireworks were legal to be sold in Pennsylvania, but only if they were sold to out-of-state buyers. So there were tons of fireworks stores that would crop up close to the border that existed more or less solely to sell to people from New Jersey. And state troopers would literally send undercover cops to sit in the parking lots of those stores, copy down license plate numbers on cars from New Jersey, and then pull those cars over once they crossed back over state lines.

It's kind of changed in the last few years, but it was a ridiculous situation for a really long time.

Would it even be constitutional? Feels like the sort of thing that might fold under the first challenge. Granted, I guess it's all just for show anyway

Your problem there is the potential for crossing state lines with intent being made illegal in and of itself.

Buh? Sorry, but that's so redonkulous I can't even call it paranoid or obsessively paranoid. No state, to my knowledge, has something like a checkpoint at the state line. Heck, the triple corner between Texas, Oklahoma, and New Mexico is literally just some farms and a dirt road. There's places with state lines basically going right down the middle (EX: Port Chester) and that's not to mention shit like planes, trains, and boats. What are they going to do? Detain every single pregnant woman on the off chance she MIGHT be going to get an abortion? Nevermind how freaking easy it would be to lie and there'd be no way to bloody prove it. This is so stupid I can't even call it paranoid. It's easier to believe Biden's actually a lizardman since that would just require a good disguise as opposed to an operation that would probably cost so much it would bankrupt the entire U.S. for several years to even try it for a few months, do nothing but cause outrage from everyone, and just... No. They're not going to shut down state borders to try and stop abortions. Just... no.

Unfortunately, I think the GOP are gonna win in November. They are going to cheat as much as possible to steal as many seats as they possibly can.

Erm, have you been, like, paying attention to polls, political changes in states, and the like? Not to mention it's absolutely absurd to assume your party's victories are legit but the only way the opposing party could win is through cheating.

The_Viscount posted...

Would it even be constitutional? Feels like the sort of thing that might fold under the first challenge. Granted, I guess it's all just for show anyway

Of course it is fucking constitutional. The fake supreme court apparently wants to call it a states right issue when it very clearly isn't. Texas already tried passing a bill that put a bounty on women, prosecuting people for something they do across state lines is a federal issue, it is objectively not a states issue which makes it a federal bill that needs to be passed.
papercup posted...

Unfortunately, I think the GOP are gonna win in November. They are going to cheat as much as possible to steal as many seats as they possibly can.

Yea I think we are on the wrong side of the mountain where they keep taking peoples voices away until people are left with no option but to stop talking.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

It's kind of changed in the last few years

Nowadays we can get fuckin mortars in the grocery store

I give up. You people are utterly delusional and insane. I feel disgusted that I share even a few policy positions with your rambling nonsense.

Unbridled9 posted...

I give up. You people are utterly delusional and insane. I feel disgusted that I share even a few policy positions with your rambling nonsense.

Assuming you're being serious, why do you care so much about the moral choices that others make?

I like the part where they're trying to force people to carry ectopic pregnancies to term, presumably because they want them to die for having the nerve to get pregnant.

https://house.mo.gov/billtracking/bills221/hlrbillspdf/5798H.01I.pdf

Unbridled9 posted...

Not to mention it's absolutely absurd to assume your party's victories are legit but the only way the opposing party could win is through cheating.

I mean, the Left aren't the ones passing blatant voter suppression laws. Or gerrymandering districts. Or you know, attempting a fucking insurrection last year.

Unbridled9 posted...

If RvW is found to be unconstitutional than, no matter how much the senate tries to pass it, SCOTUS can override it.

The reason why RvW is poised to be overridden isn't because a law legalizing abortion is unconstitutional, it's because there *is* no law legalizing abortion and the SCOTUS is saying that the constitution, as currently written, does not guarantee a right to an abortion (and therefore, in the absence of federal regulation on the matter, states are free to pass whatever laws they like restricting or banning it).

The federal government can absolutely pass a law legalizing abortion nationwide and that would supercede all state regulations on the matter. There is nothing unconstitutional against them doing so, either - the constitution does not forbid the government from granting a right to an abortion.

The_Viscount posted...

Would it even be constitutional? Feels like the sort of thing that might fold under the first challenge.

On what basis are you suggesting it would be challenged? What clause of the constitution are you claiming it violates?

I like how Unbridled came in here and took personal offense to the idea that the party whose platform is literally "if elected we're going to take away your rights" somehow doesn't operate in good faith.

papercup posted...

I like how Unbridled came in here and took personal offense to the idea that the party whose platform is literally "if elected we're going to take away your rights" somehow doesn't operate in good faith.

I like how I asked him an honest question and he didn't respond.

Judgmenl posted...

I like how I asked him an honest question and he didn't respond.

Because I'm done with this entire freaking board, and this entire freaking site, and literally the only reason I haven't closed my account yet is because of one friend who roped me into a PBP game, and it's 'she', and I'm sorely regretting that I forgot to turn off the bell for this topic, and I don't give a fuck.

Just so my mind doesn't do that stupid thing where I come up with an answer in the shower later; why do you think something like incest is wrong? It's their moral choice and it's none of your concern; especially if it's consensual as opposed to something like forced/rape. You got a crap-ton of moral positions where you DO care about the moral decisions of other people as well and the moment you think about why you care about those decisions beyond the most superficial of means and try to imagine why someone else might take a different position while still considering it 'moral' and 'acceptable', then you'll have your answer. But of course you're going to be some delusional idiot and think everyone who disagrees with you is some Bible thumping freaking Nazi like from the fucking Handmaidens Tale because you can't differentiate between fantasy delusions and reality like, it seems, everyone on the far left and Twitter now-a-days, and I don't even care if that's a wrong assumption about you anymore because I'm just done with this entire damned board and site. So have a good day, and fuck you ALLLL!!!

Unbridled9 posted...

Buh? Sorry, but that's so redonkulous I can't even call it paranoid or obsessively paranoid. No state, to my knowledge, has something like a checkpoint at the state line.

Step 1: Lady is pregnant
Step 2: Lady is not pregnant
Step 3: Criminal investigation into lady's sudden lack of pregnancy reveals recent interstate trip
Step 4: Lady is prosecuted for crossing state lines to get an abortion

Unbridled9 posted...

Because I'm done with this entire freaking board, and this entire freaking site, and literally the only reason I haven't closed my account yet is because of one friend who roped me into a PBP game, and it's 'she', and I'm sorely regretting that I forgot to turn off the bell for this topic, and I don't give a fuck.

Hey, I'm sure everyone here, including you, would be happier if you just stopped posting on PotD.

Unbridled9 posted...

why do you think something like incest is wrong

You know you've tried all the rest
So put your cousin to the test!

adjl posted...

Step 1: Lady is pregnant
Step 2: Lady is not pregnant
Step 3: Criminal investigation into lady's sudden lack of pregnancy reveals recent interstate trip
Step 4: Lady is prosecuted for crossing state lines to get an abortion

That would only be if someone knew though, right? If they only room a few at home pregnancy tests, nobody would probably know. And if they werent really showing (especially in the early stage), people probably wouldnt know. So, I guess the best thing to do is to tell no one

papercup posted...

I like how Unbridled came in here and took personal offense to the idea that the party whose platform is literally "if elected we're going to take away your rights" somehow doesn't operate in good faith.

"breaking news: the political party that says they're going to take away your rights are totally not going to actually take away your rights! more at 9, sponsored by the RNC"

Unbridled9 posted...

Because I'm done with this entire freaking board, and this entire freaking site, and literally the only reason I haven't closed my account yet is because of one friend who roped me into a PBP game, and it's 'she', and I'm sorely regretting that I forgot to turn off the bell for this topic, and I don't give a fuck.

Just so my mind doesn't do that stupid thing where I come up with an answer in the shower later; why do you think something like incest is wrong? It's their moral choice and it's none of your concern; especially if it's consensual as opposed to something like forced/rape. You got a crap-ton of moral positions where you DO care about the moral decisions of other people as well and the moment you think about why you care about those decisions beyond the most superficial of means and try to imagine why someone else might take a different position while still considering it 'moral' and 'acceptable', then you'll have your answer. But of course you're going to be some delusional idiot and think everyone who disagrees with you is some Bible thumping freaking Nazi like from the fucking Handmaidens Tale because you can't differentiate between fantasy delusions and reality like, it seems, everyone on the far left and Twitter now-a-days, and I don't even care if that's a wrong assumption about you anymore because I'm just done with this entire damned board and site. So have a good day, and fuck you ALLLL!!!

kid, you are literally arguing for fucking your own dad.

think about this godawful position

because it means you're also arguing for pedophilia to be legal.

you cannot in good faith argue that incest should be legal, without considering the ramifications and implications that you're just going to have someone trying to groom a child, or worse, skip the grooming and get right to it.

does it happen now? absolutely.

would it be even worse if it was legal?

absolutely.

LinkPizza posted...

That would only be if someone knew though, right? If they only room a few at home pregnancy tests, nobody would probably know. And if they werent really showing (especially in the early stage), people probably wouldnt know. So, I guess the best thing to do is to tell no one

It's certainly not impossible to get around, no. In practice, state borders are pretty poorly controlled, and a lot of state-specific laws end up being undermined by it (gun control being perhaps the most notorious example, or the aforementioned one of drinking ages), so a fair portion of people who wanted abortions badly enough could get away with going out of state to do it.

Not everyone is going to be so lucky, though, especially with states like Texas offering literal bounties for people who expose somebody that's had an abortion. That approach also means it's going to be overwhelmingly poorer mothers that end up having to carry their pregnancies to term, since travelling out of state requires financial flexibility that not everyone has. Poorer mothers are also the ones most endangered by pregnancy and childbirth, due to being unable to afford prenatal care, plus they're more likely to need abortions because they have less access to birth control and are less able to afford an unexpected child.

It's possible to get around the law, but it shouldn't be necessary.

Unbridled9 posted...

why do you think something like incest is wrong

I have zero opinions on incest. I think you're mixing me up with someone else. Also the rest of your post is incredibly rude.
I don't even have a Twitter account btw.

Where did @Unbridled9 's posts go?

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GOP aren't pro-life, they're pro-suffering. They don't care about improving the human condition at all.

https://twitter.com/LolOverruled/status/1523145616250966017
*sigh*

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