Current Events > I officially identify as an Independent, now. Republicans done lost me.

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You would then say for a couple years you were no longer allowed to talk about politics and when asked to clarify you'd nope out

You've made numerous racist and bigoted remarks in the past.

I have no reason to believe that you've suddenly changed from being a bigoted MAGA to a 'moderate' and suspect you're just trolling

and he always did this whenever he wanted people to know how much he hates trans people

You've made numerous racist and bigoted remarks in the past. These can't be repeated as they violate the ToS.

You would then say for a couple years you were no longer allowed to talk about politics and when asked to clarify you'd nope out.

I have no reason to believe that you've suddenly changed from being a bigoted MAGA to a 'moderate' and suspect you're just trolling

and he always did this whenever he wanted people to know how much he hates trans people

Like how the fuck do you go from recognizing the danger of the republican party in it's current form and then conclude that "same thing both sides".

both sides

Tbh if your vote doesn't change who gives af about the label

Because both sides do it to each other. I said Republicans say and do bad things that tank their own reputation and cause me to be embarrassed to be associated with them. I never said that I think Democrats are any better.

He's already saying heinous stuff in the topic like continuing to support companies that discriminate against LGBTQ

Are you in here telling me that I'm a bigot because I like chicken sandwiches?

No I'm saying you're a bigot because you have long history of making numerous bigoted remarks.

Just because you "forgot" about them doesn't change anything

See, this is disingenuous. You can see how it's disingenuous, right?

You don't have any examples, so what exactly am I supposed to say? Normally, accusations are more specific. What exactly did I say? PM me if you're afraid of being modded.

Not really. The only company I've said anything about recently is chick fil a, and it's because I like their sandwiches, not politics.

Framing the discussion around sandwiches instead of CFA and enjoying rather than supporting are disingenuous quibbles designed to obfuscate the situation rather than address it.

I'm not interested in going beyond pointing out your history, which others ITT also recall.

I mean... when I talk about cfa, I'm talking about their food, not their politics. Do you want me to pretend to dislike their chicken? That seems more disingenuous.

So... nothing but vague nonspecific accusations? That's pretty weak. What are you hoping to achieve?

You're doing the exact same thing here, where you pretend to be trying to state what I believe but make it as absurd a position as possible to make it sound ridiculous. Try again without doing that.

To point out that you're being disingenuous and it seems I've succeeded.

I disagree with bigotry because it's disgusting.

I mean... what exactly is the problem? I want you to spell it out for me from the top. It's like you started the debate halfway in already and I'm not even sure what the point of contention is. Start from the top, and we can have a reasonable discussion. Start by telling me exactly what the problem is.

but are you gonna vote for them anyway?

You've had this discussion with people numerous times in the past. If you haven't figured out how to steelman the argument any better than your current attempts, one more attempt won't help. I think it's more likely you're trolling.

If this is an attempt at a fresh start, it's going terribly.

I literally don't know what you're accusing me of, because you won't actually spell it out. I feel like I'm being gaslit here.

Actually you're trying to gaslight all of us but we're more intelligent than you

People can choose to take my word or not. Other people have pointed it out too though.

Clearly it's just a conspiracy to make you look bad.

lol just shut the fuck up man

What? This doesn't pertain to me at all. You literally accused me of something (not exactly sure what) and now you're refusing to elaborate. I didn't butt into a conversation, you literally came into my topic to accuse me lol

Sealioning isn't butting into a conversation LMAO. Sealion is when you act like you're being rational and civil in a discussion but you're really not. You beat around the bush, you play the victim, you act like the opposition is the irrational and unfair one without actually discussing the issue.

He's already saying heinous stuff in the topic like continuing to support companies that discriminate against LGBTQ

No I'm saying you're a bigot because you have long history of making numerous bigoted remarks.

See, this is disingenuous. You can see how it's disingenuous, right?

We can move past this.

Actually you're trying to gaslight all of us but we're more intelligent than you

tbh that's a reasonable breaking point for a conservative who isn't literally insane