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UnfairRepresent 02/06/22 9:07:22 AM #1:	To become a force ghost? Mace Windu didn't get to become one. None of the Order 66 Jedi who got 86ed got to become one. Ben and Yoda? Okay fair enough they're like the Quarterbacks of Jedi. But Darth Vader killed tons of Jedi by betraying them, blew up a planet of billions for larks, massacred small children for no real reason. Then he gets to become a Jedi Force Ghost because he attempted to murder an old man who didn't even die? If I was like the Long Necked Jedi Master on the council, I would be fucking pissed. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:962408806] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>To become a force ghost? Mace Windu didn't get to become one. None of the Order 66 Jedi who got 86ed got to become one. Ben and Yoda? Okay fair enough they're like the Quarterbacks of Jedi. But Darth Vader killed tons of Jedi by betraying them, blew up a planet of billions for larks, massacred small children for no real reason. Then he gets to become a Jedi Force Ghost because he attempted to murder an old man who didn't even die? If I was like the Long Necked Jedi Master on the council, I would be fucking pissed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wackyteen 02/06/22 9:09:41 AM #2:	Considering Anakin was conceived by the Force, yeah its fair. It'd actually be a bit weird if he wasn't --- The name is wackyteen for a reason. Never doubt. <cite>wackyteen posted [p:962408832] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>Considering Anakin was conceived by the Force, yeah its fair. It'd actually be a bit weird if he wasn't </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ViewtifulJoe 02/06/22 9:11:31 AM #3:	What are the pre-requisites for being a force ghost though, surely you just have to be strong enough with the force and not actually a good guy? Maybe it'd be cool if becoming Vader somehow damaged his force proficiency to the point he couldn't brute force his way to force ghost status. --- Still waiting on that third threat <cite>ViewtifulJoe posted [p:962408853] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>What are the pre-requisites for being a force ghost though, surely you just have to be strong enough with the force and not actually a good guy? Maybe it'd be cool if becoming Vader somehow damaged his force proficiency to the point he couldn't brute force his way to force ghost status. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 02/06/22 9:14:56 AM #4:	wackyteen posted... Considering Anakin was conceived by the Force, yeah its fair. It'd actually be a bit weird if he wasn't Well if you believe his mom "Oh it was the force that conceived the baby!" is much more majestic than "It was 74 second romp with that fat drunk guy under the pool table at the bar because I was desperate." Anakin's real dad is probably some ugly 2 bit space trucker --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:962408917] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>wackyteen posted... </cite> <quote>Considering Anakin was conceived by the Force, yeah its fair. It'd actually be a bit weird if he wasn't</quote>Well if you believe his mom "Oh it was the force that conceived the baby!" is much more majestic than "It was 74 second romp with that fat drunk guy under the pool table at the bar because I was desperate." Anakin's real dad is probably some ugly 2 bit space trucker </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 02/06/22 9:19:02 AM #5:	Being a force ghost isn't like "heaven". It means that instead of becoming one with the force they choose to maintain a sense of consciousness, and it requires a significant amount of skill and knowledge. In the old canon (idk about Disney stuff) force ghosts would choose to become one with the force after whatever task they had was complete, because ultimately that was the end goal. It's not better or worse for Anakin to become a force ghost, it's just something he is able to do. --- http://i.imgur.com/1XbPahR.png <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:962408967] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>Being a force ghost isn't like "heaven". It means that instead of becoming one with the force they choose to maintain a sense of consciousness, and it requires a significant amount of skill and knowledge. In the old canon (idk about Disney stuff) force ghosts would choose to become one with the force after whatever task they had was complete, because ultimately that was the end goal. It's not better or worse for Anakin to become a force ghost, it's just something he is able to do. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sLaCkEr408___RJ 02/06/22 9:28:48 AM #6:	Anakin was fathered by the force. His line automatically becomes a ghost <cite>sLaCkEr408___RJ posted [p:962409120] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>Anakin was fathered by the force. His line automatically becomes a ghost </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 02/06/22 9:29:13 AM #7:	Blightzkrieg posted... Being a force ghost isn't like "heaven". It means that instead of becoming one with the force they choose to maintain a sense of consciousness, and it requires a significant amount of skill and knowledge. In the old canon (idk about Disney stuff) force ghosts would choose to become one with the force after whatever task they had was complete, because ultimately that was the end goal. It's not better or worse for Anakin to become a force ghost, it's just something he is able to do. That makes even less sense tho What task did Yoda, Ben and Anakin have to do after Luke had defeated the empire and restored peace to the force and the galaxy was celebrating? And why did none of the Jedi who got murdered in order 66 feel like they had a task to stop the Sith from taking over the universe in a big empire? I think ghost Windu would have things to say about Palpatine. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:962409130] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>Blightzkrieg posted... </cite> <quote>Being a force ghost isn't like "heaven". It means that instead of becoming one with the force they choose to maintain a sense of consciousness, and it requires a significant amount of skill and knowledge. In the old canon (idk about Disney stuff) force ghosts would choose to become one with the force after whatever task they had was complete, because ultimately that was the end goal. It's not better or worse for Anakin to become a force ghost, it's just something he is able to do.</quote>That makes even less sense tho What task did Yoda, Ben and Anakin have to do after Luke had defeated the empire and restored peace to the force and the galaxy was celebrating? And why did none of the Jedi who got murdered in order 66 feel like they had a task to stop the Sith from taking over the universe in a big empire? I think ghost Windu would have things to say about Palpatine. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FurryPhilosifer 02/06/22 9:31:00 AM #8:	Yoda, Obi Wan, and Anakin all died at peace, and faded away into the force (I think, I can't remember for sure with Anakin). All your examples were brutally murdered. --- Ghosts are cool. <cite>FurryPhilosifer posted [p:962409155] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>Yoda, Obi Wan, and Anakin all died at peace, and faded away into the force (I think, I can't remember for sure with Anakin). All your examples were brutally murdered. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 02/06/22 9:31:21 AM #9:	UnfairRepresent posted... And why did none of the Jedi who got murdered in order 66 feel like they had a task to stop the Sith from taking over the universe in a big empire? I think ghost Windu would have things to say about Palpatine. They lacked the skill to become force ghosts. Idk why the others stuck around for the party though. --- http://i.imgur.com/1XbPahR.png <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:962409157] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>And why did none of the Jedi who got murdered in order 66 feel like they had a task to stop the Sith from taking over the universe in a big empire? I think ghost Windu would have things to say about Palpatine.</quote>They lacked the skill to become force ghosts. Idk why the others stuck around for the party though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ViewtifulJoe 02/06/22 9:46:33 AM #10:	Force ghosts hadn't even been invented yet during order 66 right? Wasn't it a bit later when Qui Gon who'd been dead for as long as it took Anakin to go from a kid to a young adult finally figured it out. --- Still waiting on that third threat <cite>ViewtifulJoe posted [p:962409360] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>Force ghosts hadn't even been invented yet during order 66 right? Wasn't it a bit later when Qui Gon who'd been dead for as long as it took Anakin to go from a kid to a young adult finally figured it out. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 02/06/22 9:46:45 AM #11:	I've always liked the idea of Dark Side Force Ghosts but as far as I know, they have never been in anything considered canon They exist in the mmo The Old Republic. And maybe other places in the old Expanded Universe But anyway, like it or not, Anakin was redeemed in the eyes of the Force, at the moment of his death. So he gets the perks <cite>Zikten posted [p:962409365] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>I've always liked the idea of Dark Side Force Ghosts but as far as I know, they have never been in anything considered canon They exist in the mmo The Old Republic. And maybe other places in the old Expanded Universe But anyway, like it or not, Anakin was redeemed in the eyes of the Force, at the moment of his death. So he gets the perks</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wackyteen 02/06/22 9:51:22 AM #12:	UnfairRepresent posted... Well if you believe his mom New Canon actually has ~~Palpatine use the Force to impregnate Shmi.~~ Its a little weird and I think they should have left it vague but yeah --- The name is wackyteen for a reason. Never doubt. <cite>wackyteen posted [p:962409434] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Well if you believe his mom</quote>New Canon actually has Palpatine use the Force to impregnate Shmi. Its a little weird and I think they should have left it vague but yeah </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bobaban 02/06/22 10:16:31 AM #13:	How do you know Mace didnt become a force ghost? <cite>bobaban posted [p:962409832] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>How do you know Mace didnt become a force ghost? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 02/06/22 10:25:15 AM #14:	It's weird how they retconned force ghosts back in the prequel trilogy. --- Everything you love was always woke, and its less woke than it used to be, and that's why its not as good anymore, because its less woke. Also you suck. <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:962409979] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>It's weird how they retconned force ghosts back in the prequel trilogy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ViewtifulGrave 02/06/22 10:34:56 AM #15:	bobaban posted... How do you know Mace didnt become a force ghost? Because he died before Qui Gon revealed the ability to Yoda. IShall_Run_Amok posted... It's weird how they retconned force ghosts back in the prequel trilogy. How so? --- When Kaidou fails to keep up with Luffy in their next fight remember this conversation - MrDrMan <cite>ViewtifulGrave posted [p:962410150] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>bobaban posted... </cite> <quote>How do you know Mace didnt become a force ghost?</quote>Because he died before Qui Gon revealed the ability to Yoda. IShall_Run_Amok posted... </cite> <quote>It's weird how they retconned force ghosts back in the prequel trilogy.</quote>How so? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 02/06/22 10:36:27 AM #16:	IShall_Run_Amok posted... It's weird how they retconned force ghosts back in the prequel trilogy. The whole prequel trilogy is weird --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:962410178] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>IShall_Run_Amok posted... </cite> <quote>It's weird how they retconned force ghosts back in the prequel trilogy.</quote>The whole prequel trilogy is weird </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lord_Shadow 02/06/22 10:38:52 AM #17:	UnfairRepresent posted... Well if you believe his mom "Oh it was the force that conceived the baby!" is much more majestic than "It was 74 second romp with that fat drunk guy under the pool table at the bar because I was desperate." Anakin's real dad is probably some ugly 2 bit space trucker --- GT My Lord Shadow "Your Grace, please, the people have surrendered..." "I didn't offer surrender." <cite>Lord_Shadow posted [p:962410216] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Well if you believe his mom "Oh it was the force that conceived the baby!" is much more majestic than "It was 74 second romp with that fat drunk guy under the pool table at the bar because I was desperate." Anakin's real dad is probably some ugly 2 bit space trucker</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie 02/06/22 10:40:14 AM #18:	UnfairRepresent posted... And why did none of the Jedi who got murdered in order 66 feel like they had a task to stop the Sith from taking over the universe in a big empire? Clone Wars cartoon, which is current Disney canon, makes it so that there is a secret method of becoming a force ghost that Yoda learns by meeting the Whils deep in some remote part of the galaxy. Qui Gonn led him there, but he hadn't finished the training he was just a disembodied voice. Then Yoda teaches it to Obi Wan. As to why and how Anakin becomes one, it is unclear right now unless some comic or something explained it. But presumably he's just that good at the force. --- <insert sig here> <cite>Jabodie posted [p:962410243] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>And why did none of the Jedi who got murdered in order 66 feel like they had a task to stop the Sith from taking over the universe in a big empire?</quote>Clone Wars cartoon, which is current Disney canon, makes it so that there is a secret method of becoming a force ghost that Yoda learns by meeting the Whils deep in some remote part of the galaxy. Qui Gonn led him there, but he hadn't finished the training he was just a disembodied voice. Then Yoda teaches it to Obi Wan. As to why and how Anakin becomes one, it is unclear right now unless some comic or something explained it. But presumably he's just that good at the force. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nativengine 02/06/22 10:44:24 AM #19:	UnfairRepresent posted... Mace Windu didn't get to become one. None of the Order 66 Jedi who got 86ed got to become one. Ben and Yoda? Okay fair enough they're like the Quarterbacks of Jedi. But Darth Vader killed tons of Jedi by betraying them, blew up a planet of billions for larks, massacred small children for no real reason. Then he gets to become a Jedi Force Ghost because he attempted to murder an old man who didn't even die? If I was like the Long Necked Jedi Master on the council, I would be fucking pissed. *spoilers* Mace was never trained to become a force ghost. None of the other Jedi were trained either. Vader did not order Aldeeran to be destroyed, that would be Tarkin He was following orders, all the Jedi had to die, including the younglings. Definitely fucked up though, no doubt. Palpatine did die, he transferred his soul into one of his failing clone bodies. --- Jive Turkey <cite>nativengine posted [p:962410335] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Mace Windu didn't get to become one. None of the Order 66 Jedi who got 86ed got to become one. Ben and Yoda? Okay fair enough they're like the Quarterbacks of Jedi. But Darth Vader killed tons of Jedi by betraying them, blew up a planet of billions for larks, massacred small children for no real reason. Then he gets to become a Jedi Force Ghost because he attempted to murder an old man who didn't even die? If I was like the Long Necked Jedi Master on the council, I would be fucking pissed.</quote>*spoilers* Mace was never trained to become a force ghost. None of the other Jedi were trained either. Vader did not order Aldeeran to be destroyed, that would be Tarkin He was following orders, all the Jedi had to die, including the younglings. Definitely fucked up though, no doubt. Palpatine did die, he transferred his soul into one of his failing clone bodies. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie 02/06/22 10:45:39 AM #20:	Anyway I'm sure the force ghost rules will be changed whenever it's more convenient for an author down the line. --- <insert sig here> <cite>Jabodie posted [p:962410359] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>Anyway I'm sure the force ghost rules will be changed whenever it's more convenient for an author down the line. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/06/22 10:46:50 AM #21:	bobaban posted... How do you know Mace didnt become a force ghost? Because, he became a force motherfucker instead. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:962410385] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>bobaban posted... </cite> <quote>How do you know Mace didnt become a force ghost?</quote>Because, he became a force motherfucker instead. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lord_Shadow 02/07/22 1:38:25 AM #22:	Jabodie posted... Clone Wars cartoon, which is current Disney canon, makes it so that there is a secret method of becoming a force ghost that Yoda learns by meeting the Whils deep in some remote part of the galaxy. Qui Gonn led him there, but he hadn't finished the training he was just a disembodied voice. Then Yoda teaches it to Obi Wan. As to why and how Anakin becomes one, it is unclear right now unless some comic or something explained it. But presumably he's just that good at the force. Obi-Wan taught him moments before he actually died --- GT My Lord Shadow "Your Grace, please, the people have surrendered..." "I didn't offer surrender." <cite>Lord_Shadow posted [p:962429818] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>Jabodie posted... </cite> <quote>Clone Wars cartoon, which is current Disney canon, makes it so that there is a secret method of becoming a force ghost that Yoda learns by meeting the Whils deep in some remote part of the galaxy. Qui Gonn led him there, but he hadn't finished the training he was just a disembodied voice. Then Yoda teaches it to Obi Wan. As to why and how Anakin becomes one, it is unclear right now unless some comic or something explained it. But presumably he's just that good at the force.</quote>Obi-Wan taught him moments before he actually died </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xethuminra 02/07/22 1:56:38 AM #23:	Vader had been sabotaging the Emperor for years, and the two were subtly engaged in a silent standstill over control of the Empire. The Emperor had the will of the deluded galactic masses, while Vader largely held sway over the blindly loyal Imperial army. In the end, the Emperor knew his time was up, and sought Luke as a means to fight Vader. When Luke declined the Emperor's offer to even kill Vader, it created a profoundly complicated situation and Vader showed support of killing Luke long enough for the Emperor to become distracted attempting to destroy the young Jedi using dark magic.... Long enough for Vader to A.) experience a change of heart about his son, and B.) to take that moment to strike and kill the Emperor, even if it meant Vader's death and losing control of the Empire. As we can see even in A New Hope, with Tarkin serving as the Emperor's hand, the chain of command was extremely confusing between Vader & other direct emissaries of the Emperor... with Imperial officers badly confused by which one to listen to. Vader always intended on restoring power to the people, and was far too strong & far too cunning for the Emperor or anyone to kill. He had learned to draw power from the Dark Side, and became on par with the Emperor due to his days as a Jedi Master, thus surpassing his role as a Sith Apprentice. Remember, Vader ha always been written as a religious and political fanatic, what he does is the right thing and entirely selfless in his mind. By saving Luke, who had proven himself a Jedi in Vader's mind by Luke giving Vader a second chance, he was saving himself, his family, the Galaxy, and preserving the lineage of the Jedi through the presence of Obi-Wan & Yoda. Vader had also come to have a new respect for Jedi when he saw Obi-Wan vanish instead of dying. <cite>Xethuminra posted [p:962430008] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>Vader had been sabotaging the Emperor for years, and the two were subtly engaged in a silent standstill over control of the Empire. The Emperor had the will of the deluded galactic masses, while Vader largely held sway over the blindly loyal Imperial army. In the end, the Emperor knew his time was up, and sought Luke as a means to fight Vader. When Luke declined the Emperor's offer to even kill Vader, it created a profoundly complicated situation and Vader showed support of killing Luke long enough for the Emperor to become distracted attempting to destroy the young Jedi using dark magic.... Long enough for Vader to A.) experience a change of heart about his son, and B.) to take that moment to strike and kill the Emperor, even if it meant Vader's death and losing control of the Empire. As we can see even in A New Hope, with Tarkin serving as the Emperor's hand, the chain of command was extremely confusing between Vader & other direct emissaries of the Emperor... with Imperial officers badly confused by which one to listen to. Vader always intended on restoring power to the people, and was far too strong & far too cunning for the Emperor or anyone to kill. He had learned to draw power from the Dark Side, and became on par with the Emperor due to his days as a Jedi Master, thus surpassing his role as a Sith Apprentice. Remember, Vader ha always been written as a religious and political fanatic, what he does is the right thing and entirely selfless in his mind. By saving Luke, who had proven himself a Jedi in Vader's mind by Luke giving Vader a second chance, he was saving himself, his family, the Galaxy, and preserving the lineage of the Jedi through the presence of Obi-Wan & Yoda. Vader had also come to have a new respect for Jedi when he saw Obi-Wan vanish instead of dying. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
archedsoul 02/07/22 2:06:34 AM #24:	Doesn't TRoS basically confirm that ~~they're all kind of still around? I mean, what changed between Yoda appearing in TLJ and then being a voice alongside Anakin, Obi Wan, and all the other Jedi like Mace Windu, Ahsoka and Luke?~~ --- "Fear cuts deeper than swords." <cite>archedsoul posted [p:962430120] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>Doesn't TRoS basically confirm that they're all kind of still around? I mean, what changed between Yoda appearing in TLJ and then being a voice alongside Anakin, Obi Wan, and all the other Jedi like Mace Windu, Ahsoka and Luke? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xethuminra 02/07/22 2:11:06 AM #25:	archedsoul posted... Doesn't TRoS basically confirm that ~~they're all kind of still around? I mean, what changed between Yoda appearing in TLJ and then being a voice alongside Anakin, Obi Wan, and all the other Jedi like Mace Windu, Ahsoka and Luke?~~ I took this as a balancing of the Force and completion in the concept of role reversal The Jedi went into the shadows <cite>Xethuminra posted [p:962430172] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>archedsoul posted... </cite> <quote>Doesn't TRoS basically confirm that they're all kind of still around? I mean, what changed between Yoda appearing in TLJ and then being a voice alongside Anakin, Obi Wan, and all the other Jedi like Mace Windu, Ahsoka and Luke?</quote>I took this as a balancing of the Force and completion in the concept of role reversal The Jedi went into the shadows </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrMallard 02/07/22 2:28:38 AM #26:	The thing about Darth Vader is that the more they show him in later Star Wars media, the less believable it is that his immortal soul got saved and got to become a force ghost. Like in video games alone, you can see Darth Vader slaughtering dozens of people at a time. Any time they bring him back in a movie set between episodes 3 and 4, you see how brutal he is in murdering people and the carnage he leaves in his wake. When all you have is the original trilogy - hell, even the first six movies - the majority of what he actually does is off screen and all you know is that he's an intergalactic tyrant. That makes his redemption, him saving his son and saving the galaxy after spending so long terrorizing it, impactful as an emotional story beat. When you have an image of Darth Vader stabbing a man through the back, whose only crime was to hamper his quest to commit planetary genocide, it makes that redemption much harder to swallow. And the more you encounter Darth Vader as an unstoppable force of malice and destruction, watching him cut through characters you've grown to love and appreciate in video games and movies - good, heroic characters whose deaths can only be described as cold-blooded murder - chucking an evil guy down a pit (who doesn't even die) and saving his own son's life hardly seems to justify him being admitted to Jedi Heaven. More than anything, especially after episode IX, it seems to me that the Force favors blood relations and familial dynasties over actual balance. --- But for you I came this far across the tracks, 10 miles above the limit with no seatbelt Now Playing: Minecraft, Pokemon BD, World Flipper <cite>MrMallard posted [p:962430365] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>The thing about Darth Vader is that the more they show him in later Star Wars media, the less believable it is that his immortal soul got saved and got to become a force ghost. Like in video games alone, you can see Darth Vader slaughtering dozens of people at a time. Any time they bring him back in a movie set between episodes 3 and 4, you see how brutal he is in murdering people and the carnage he leaves in his wake. When all you have is the original trilogy - hell, even the first six movies - the majority of what he actually does is off screen and all you know is that he's an intergalactic tyrant. That makes his redemption, him saving his son and saving the galaxy after spending so long terrorizing it, impactful as an emotional story beat. When you have an image of Darth Vader stabbing a man through the back, whose only crime was to hamper his quest to commit planetary genocide, it makes that redemption much harder to swallow. And the more you encounter Darth Vader as an unstoppable force of malice and destruction, watching him cut through characters you've grown to love and appreciate in video games and movies - good, heroic characters whose deaths can only be described as cold-blooded murder - chucking an evil guy down a pit (who doesn't even die) and saving his own son's life hardly seems to justify him being admitted to Jedi Heaven. More than anything, especially after episode IX, it seems to me that the Force favors blood relations and familial dynasties over actual balance. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xethuminra 02/07/22 2:36:22 AM #27:	Kids love Vader He became the star To not give him a complete redemption would probably not have rolled over well in the long run <cite>Xethuminra posted [p:962430440] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>Kids love Vader He became the star To not give him a complete redemption would probably not have rolled over well in the long run </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trelve 02/07/22 2:50:46 AM #28:	I'm just imagining a bunch of Jedi Masters showing up at the end of Return of the Jedi and Luke having no clue who any of them are. Who's to say that those other Jedi didn't become ghosts and just chose not to appear to Luke? Rise of Skywalker is a terrible film so I won't bang on about it but why didn't ~~Kylo~~ show up as a ghost at the end with Luke and Leia? Rey had more of a connection to him than Luke. <cite>Trelve posted [p:962430591] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>I'm just imagining a bunch of Jedi Masters showing up at the end of Return of the Jedi and Luke having no clue who any of them are. Who's to say that those other Jedi didn't become ghosts and just chose not to appear to Luke? Rise of Skywalker is a terrible film so I won't bang on about it but why didn't Kylo show up as a ghost at the end with Luke and Leia? Rey had more of a connection to him than Luke. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xethuminra 02/07/22 2:56:24 AM #29:	~~Kylo~~ is one of the mosy likely characters to bring back later. TBoB's formula would be perfect for it, actually. Wouldnt wait 40 years tho <cite>Xethuminra posted [p:962430654] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>Kylo is one of the mosy likely characters to bring back later. TBoB's formula would be perfect for it, actually. Wouldnt wait 40 years tho </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ricemills 02/07/22 3:37:48 AM #30:	I took it that the ghosts are projections from the jedi, so luke can only see the ghosts that he knows. --- You have the right to remain silent. Anything you posted will be misquoted, then be used against you. http://error1355.com/ce/Ricemills.html <cite>Ricemills posted [p:962431072] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>I took it that the ghosts are projections from the jedi, so luke can only see the ghosts that he knows. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punished_Blinx 02/07/22 4:05:59 AM #31:	Training to be a Force Ghost is one of many stupid lore explanations George crammed into the prequels to answer a question no one was asking. The concept of training to become a ghost is so fucking stupid. --- A Fallen Mascot <cite>Punished_Blinx posted [p:962431291] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>Training to be a Force Ghost is one of many stupid lore explanations George crammed into the prequels to answer a question no one was asking. The concept of training to become a ghost is so fucking stupid. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 02/07/22 4:27:49 AM #32:	Trelve posted... just imagining a bunch of Jedi Masters showing up at the end of Return of the Jedi and Luke having no clue who any of them are. Who's to say that those other Jedi didn't become ghosts and just chose not to appear to Luke? OK but where were they after order 66? Did the emperor call the ghostbusters? --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:962431472] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>Trelve posted... </cite> <quote>just imagining a bunch of Jedi Masters showing up at the end of Return of the Jedi and Luke having no clue who any of them are. Who's to say that those other Jedi didn't become ghosts and just chose not to appear to Luke?</quote>OK but where were they after order 66? Did the emperor call the ghostbusters? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jumi 02/07/22 9:57:30 AM #33:	UnfairRepresent posted... That makes even less sense tho What task did Yoda, Ben and Anakin have to do after Luke had defeated the empire and restored peace to the force and the galaxy was celebrating? And why did none of the Jedi who got murdered in order 66 feel like they had a task to stop the Sith from taking over the universe in a big empire? I think ghost Windu would have things to say about Palpatine. If Mace became a ghost he would follow Palpatine around calling him a motherfucker. --- XBL Gamertag: Rob Thorsman Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/robertvsilvers <cite>jumi posted [p:962435623] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>That makes even less sense tho What task did Yoda, Ben and Anakin have to do after Luke had defeated the empire and restored peace to the force and the galaxy was celebrating? And why did none of the Jedi who got murdered in order 66 feel like they had a task to stop the Sith from taking over the universe in a big empire? I think ghost Windu would have things to say about Palpatine.</quote> If Mace became a ghost he would follow Palpatine around calling him a motherfucker. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeadPipeCinche 02/07/22 10:18:40 AM #34:	UnfairRepresent posted... blew up a planet of billions for larks, No he didn't, the guy who pushed the button did. All Vader did was kill a guy who basically let him kill him and barely beat a kid in training. <cite>LeadPipeCinche posted [p:962436095] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote> blew up a planet of billions for larks, </quote> No he didn't, the guy who pushed the button did. All Vader did was kill a guy who basically let him kill him and barely beat a kid in training. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 02/07/22 11:24:16 AM #35:	LeadPipeCinche posted... No he didn't, the guy who pushed the button did. Oh come off it Vader was right there --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:962437642] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>LeadPipeCinche posted... </cite> <quote> No he didn't, the guy who pushed the button did.</quote>Oh come off it Vader was right there </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeadPipeCinche 02/07/22 12:09:34 PM #36:	UnfairRepresent posted... Oh come off it Vader was right there He was but he DIDN'T press the button. So he didn't kill shit except for a princess with no will to live, his chances of ever getting laid again and an old man who quit mid fight. <cite>LeadPipeCinche posted [p:962438799] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Oh come off it Vader was right there</quote> He was but he DIDN'T press the button. So he didn't kill shit except for a princess with no will to live, his chances of ever getting laid again and an old man who quit mid fight. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/07/22 12:42:13 PM #37:	LeadPipeCinche posted... So he didn't kill shit Lots of jedi younglings, and fucktons of tuskens. ...also Christopher Lee, Palpy, and a couple of random imperial star destroyer captains. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:962439671] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>LeadPipeCinche posted... </cite> <quote>So he didn't kill shit</quote>Lots of jedi younglings, and fucktons of tuskens. ...also Christopher Lee, Palpy, and a couple of random imperial star destroyer captains. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeadPipeCinche 02/07/22 1:11:51 PM #38:	Questionmarktarius posted... Lots of jedi younglings, and fucktons of tuskens. ...also Christopher Lee, Palpy, and a couple of random imperial star destroyer captains. Wow some younglings.... they are about as dangerous as a student that's just starting out training with the force... oh wait he had trouble taking care of that guy to, he calls him son. The more you try to make Vader seem like a badass the more he looks weaker. So please keep going cause you are helping my case not yours. Lee was fighting 2 Jedi and down on his knees. This is like when Obi gave up in Ep4. And old man and was it even him or a weak clone of him. Choking bitches with no power, seems about right as the only people he can beat without an issue. <cite>LeadPipeCinche posted [p:962440453] in Is it fair... [t:79886634]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>Lots of jedi younglings, and fucktons of tuskens. ...also Christopher Lee, Palpy, and a couple of random imperial star destroyer captains.</quote> Wow some younglings.... they are about as dangerous as a student that's just starting out training with the force... oh wait he had trouble taking care of that guy to, he calls him son. The more you try to make Vader seem like a badass the more he looks weaker. So please keep going cause you are helping my case not yours. Lee was fighting 2 Jedi and down on his knees. This is like when Obi gave up in Ep4. And old man and was it even him or a weak clone of him. Choking bitches with no power, seems about right as the only people he can beat without an issue. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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