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MartianManchild 01/17/22 7:35:16 AM #1: |
From what Im seeing is that the big cities that implemented vaccine mandates to do anything inside have pretty comparable numbers to other big cities that dont have these types of mandates. Has anyone seen any data that says otherwise? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jen0125 01/17/22 7:51:28 AM #2: |
Well, we all know you have zero clue how to interpret or understand data points. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FatalAccident 01/17/22 7:59:58 AM #3: |
Jen0125 posted... Well, we all know you have zero clue how to interpret or understand data points.lmao --- *walks away* ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MartianManchild 01/17/22 11:29:31 AM #4: |
Jen0125 posted... Well, we all know you have zero clue how to interpret or understand data points.Its not my fault some of the data doesnt follow the narrative everyone is being spoon fed. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jen0125 01/17/22 11:30:03 AM #5: |
MartianManchild posted... Its not my fault some of the data doesnt follow the narrative everyone is being spoon fed. It's not our fault you purposely misconstrue data in an attempt to match the narrative you want to spoon feed us ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Cacciato 01/17/22 11:30:03 AM #6: |
Jen0125 posted... Well, we all know you have zero clue how to interpret or understand data points. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jen0125 01/17/22 11:30:17 AM #7: |
Stp ^5 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Notschmendrake 01/17/22 11:44:56 AM #8: |
Imagine being so one dimensional that you can actually make the floobers on this board seem like they have depth by comparison You're the worst. Like icoyar 2 alpha turbo extra ignorant edition. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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papercup 01/17/22 11:47:48 AM #9: |
Why do you people feed the troll --- Nintendo Network ID: papercups 3DS FC: 4124 5916 9925 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jen0125 01/17/22 11:52:16 AM #10: |
Notschmendrake posted... Imagine being so one dimensional that you can actually make the floobers on this board seem like they have depth by comparison These are certainly words I like floober ... Copied to Clipboard!
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adjl 01/17/22 12:08:46 PM #11: |
MartianManchild posted... Its not my fault some of the data doesnt follow the narrative everyone is being spoon fed. Thank you for demonstrating that you have zero clue how to interpret or understand data points in direct response to an accusation that you have zero clue how to interpret or understand data points. It's very considerate of you to save everybody so much time. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReturnOfFa 01/17/22 12:18:03 PM #12: |
*gestures at New Zealand* --- girls like my fa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MartianManchild 01/17/22 12:29:06 PM #13: |
adjl posted... Thank you for demonstrating that you have zero clue how to interpret or understand data points in direct response to an accusation that you have zero clue how to interpret or understand data points. It's very considerate of you to save everybody so much time.Then please show me some data that shows that these vaccine mandates are actually making a difference. Ill wait. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jen0125 01/17/22 12:33:38 PM #14: |
MartianManchild posted... Then please show me some data that shows that these vaccine mandates are actually making a difference. Ill wait. Why bother when you're just going to twist and misconstrue it? You're a bad faith actor. There's no reason to show you, specifically, anything. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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adjl 01/17/22 12:36:58 PM #15: |
MartianManchild posted... Then please show me some data that shows that these vaccine mandates are actually making a difference. Ill wait. Why bother? We all know you'll completely ignore any actual proof I present and make another topic in the next couple days focusing on some other individual data point you've cherry-picked that you feel proves a trend. This is because you have zero clue how to interpret or understand data points. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MartianManchild 01/17/22 12:43:55 PM #16: |
adjl posted... Why bother? We all know you'll completely ignore any actual proof I present and make another topic in the next couple days focusing on some other individual data point you've cherry-picked that you feel proves a trend. This is because you have zero clue how to interpret or understand data points.Im sorry that you couldnt find any data to support your claims. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ArvTheGreat 01/17/22 12:45:16 PM #17: |
you all arent ending covid with all the bitching your doing. --- Things are about to get arvified ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReturnOfFa 01/17/22 1:11:12 PM #18: |
MartianManchild posted... Im sorry that you couldnt find any data to support your claims.Who has more dead people? Alaska or New Zealand? --- girls like my fa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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dedbus 01/17/22 3:47:11 PM #19: |
Yes they move away. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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adjl 01/17/22 4:45:04 PM #20: |
MartianManchild posted... Im sorry that you couldnt find any data to support your claims. I neither tried to find any, nor tried to make a claim that would require me to. You, on the other hand, routinely put effort into finding individual data points then using them to make claims that can only be made with much broader statistics (which means you automatically fail, obviously). If you're going to feel sorry, feel sorry for yourself and your unbroken string of dismal failures. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MartianManchild 01/17/22 6:13:11 PM #21: |
adjl posted... I neither tried to find any, nor tried to make a claim that would require me to. You, on the other hand, routinely put effort into finding individual data points then using them to make claims that can only be made with much broader statistics (which means you automatically fail, obviously). If you're going to feel sorry, feel sorry for yourself and your unbroken string of dismal failures.Its ok, buddy. I know you actually did go look to prove me wrong but couldnt find anything. Maybe next time ... Copied to Clipboard!
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adjl 01/17/22 9:42:02 PM #22: |
MartianManchild posted... Its ok, buddy. I know you actually did go look to prove me wrong but couldnt find anything. Maybe next time I mean, if you want to believe that, you could always go track down the data yourself to show that there's no correlation between vaccine policies and public health metrics, but that would involve finding more than a single data point, so we both know you won't. As it happens, after posting that, I did do a quick bit of searching to see if I could find a convenient list of countries' vaccine requirements for entry (municipal vaccine mandates are tricky to gather concrete data on, given how inconsistently many of them are enforced, how much they vary from region to region, and how much travel from neighbouring regions with different rules can affect case rates independent of their rules) to cross-reference against per capita case trends, but the closest thing I found didn't allow me to copy+paste the information, so that would have been far more work than was worthwhile to satisfy my curiosity. Ultimately, I'd just be confirming common sense: If you reduce the extent to which people without immunity can interact with their communities, infection rates will go down. It's significant deviations from that expected trend that are worth investigating; there's little sense investing any real effort into confirming that it's happening (especially with Omicron making it so almost nobody has immunity). --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bulbasaur 01/17/22 10:27:13 PM #24: |
so you didn't you like didn't even read anything in that, because? because: Regev-Yochay said its still likely a good idea to roll out fourth doses to those who are at the highest risk, the Times of Israel reports, but suggested it may be better to only give older senior citizens the extra shot rather than everyone over age 60, as Israel is doing now. he still says to get it. mainly because, yes, the variants are roaming around, but so is the regular. it seems stupid to see that there's a variant running around that the vaccine is slightly less effective against, and decide to just not get the vaccine to help prevent dying from the multiple other variants that came before it that the vaccine works very effectively on. a better analogy for you to understand would be: it's like being in the armed forces and not wearing a bulletproof vest because it wont stop a tank round --- i wanna go eighty-five, drive off a bridge and die. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MartianManchild 01/17/22 10:32:44 PM #25: |
I was trying to edit that post then accidentally deleted. Oh well. Heres the link talking about getting even a fourth vaccine. https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2022/01/17/4th-vaccine-shot-likely-not-good-enough-to-protect-against-omicron-israeli-researcher-says/amp/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MartianManchild 01/17/22 10:39:14 PM #26: |
Bulbasaur posted... Omicron made up 95% of Covid cases as of January 4th. That percentage is probably higher now. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-omicron-variant-95-percent-cases/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bulbasaur 01/17/22 10:48:57 PM #27: |
that doesn't invalidate a single thing i said just fyi in fact it proves some of the points --- i wanna go eighty-five, drive off a bridge and die. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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adjl 01/18/22 11:15:26 AM #28: |
MartianManchild posted... Omicron made up 95% of Covid cases as of January 4th. That percentage is probably higher now. In a lot of ways, Omicron represents the ideal that the "just let herd immunity happen naturally" and "viruses evolve to become more contagious and less deadly" people have been fantasizing about since day one: It spreads extremely rapidly and causes a relatively mild illness, so lots of people can develop natural immunity with relatively few casualties. The problem with that, however, is that part of the reason it's able to spread so rapidly is that it shares very few antigens with other variants, meaning everyone's existing immunity - whether natural or vaccine-induced - does very little to slow it down (at a point when many people have eschewed as many precautions as possible and are trying to rely exclusively on the vaccines, which was a questionable idea even pre-Omicron). Because Omicron's not getting caught by existing immunity, what's going to happen is that very large numbers of people are going to end up with natural immunity to Omicron, but that immunity is not going to extend to any other variants. In the past two weeks, the US has seen 10.4 million new cases of Covid. Nearly 10 million of those are Omicron, if we say 95%, and quite a few models are predicting an even more aggressive surge in the coming weeks if some major changes aren't made. That's going to burn Omicron out as islands of herd immunity start popping up, at which point Omicron cases will peter out and all that will be left are variants against which the vaccine still works. Of course, there's the ever-present risk that these absolutely massive case numbers will breed more immunity-dodging variants that set us back even further, so now it's a race to try and rein in Omicron before that happens. There's also the risk that it hybridizes with Delta (viruses exchange genetic information quite frequently), but the vaccine will continue to protect against the worst risks there because the spike protein that the vaccines target is the primary culprit behind the most serious danger Covid poses. Basically, whatever happens, continuing to boost vaccination rates is a good idea. It's not going to be the main weapon in the fight against Omicron (though boosters help at least a little), so further precautions will be needed (and all the districts that are categorically rejecting a return to masks are stupid), but they're still an important part of the overall fight against Covid. Note also that 5% of 800,000 cases is still 40,000 non-Omicron cases a day, which is still a pretty significant amount. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MartianManchild 01/19/22 12:55:22 PM #29: |
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/1/1/AAb2N0AAC0vX.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jen0125 01/19/22 1:00:46 PM #30: |
MartianManchild posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/1/1/AAb2N0AAC0vX.jpg https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-04/u-s-sets-new-global-daily-record-of-over-1-million-virus-cases I don't think that's true ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReturnOfFa 01/19/22 1:12:36 PM #31: |
OH WOW, A TWEET Don't trust the media!! Here's a tweet! --- girls like my fa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReturnOfFa 01/19/22 1:14:07 PM #32: |
What does Eli David mean by 'the only quadruple-vaxxed country in the world' when only 66% of Israel is double-vaccinated? What a clown. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/3/2/AAUdByAAC0vs.png --- girls like my fa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReturnOfFa 01/19/22 1:15:30 PM #33: |
People in the media have been misrepresenting vaccination rates in Israel for what, 6 months now? Catch up MartianManChild. https://www.wsj.com/articles/once-a-global-covid-19-vaccine-leader-israel-struggles-to-get-its-kids-inoculated-11642507202 --- girls like my fa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jen0125 01/19/22 1:15:51 PM #34: |
ReturnOfFa posted... What does Eli David mean by 'the only quadruple-vaxxed country in the world' when only 66% of Israel is double-vaccinated? What a clown. Who even is that guy and why should anyone listen to his tweets ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReturnOfFa 01/19/22 1:18:55 PM #35: |
Jen0125 posted... Who even is that guy and why should anyone listen to his tweetsHilariously he's Israeli, so he can't even fucking understand stats in his own country. Even more hilariously, his PhD is in computer science and he can't even use a fucking computer. --- girls like my fa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReturnOfFa 01/19/22 1:19:52 PM #36: |
Old people getting their 2nd booster doesn't effect the overall population's vaccination rate, which has barely budged in Israel over the past few months. --- girls like my fa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReturnOfFa 01/19/22 1:20:23 PM #37: |
I think we need to focus on literacy and reading comprehension in adults a lot more. --- girls like my fa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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adjl 01/19/22 1:21:01 PM #38: |
For that matter, why are we citing case numbers of a vaccine-avoidant strain as though they indicate anything about the effectiveness of the vaccines they avoid? ReturnOfFa posted... What does Eli David mean by 'the only quadruple-vaxxed country in the world' when only 66% of Israel is double-vaccinated? What a clown. Also, if fourth doses are a thing, that data may be counting "additional dose" twice for each person that has one, so that 55% may be an inaccurate representation of the number of boosted people. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReturnOfFa 01/19/22 1:24:32 PM #39: |
adjl posted... For that matter, why are we citing case numbers of a vaccine-avoidant strain as though they indicate anything about the effectiveness of the vaccines they avoid?I don't think framing them as 'vaccine avoidant strains' is responsible, considering those vaccines still have a massive effect on whether or not you will die or end up in hospital. The vaccine simply doesn't reduce transmission as much with Omicron, although it still does via a reduced contagious period. --- girls like my fa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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adjl 01/19/22 1:36:14 PM #40: |
ReturnOfFa posted... I don't think framing them as 'vaccine avoidant strains' is responsible, considering those vaccines still have a massive effect on whether or not you will die or end up in hospital. The vaccine simply doesn't reduce transmission as much with Omicron, although it still does via a reduced contagious period. That argument can be made, but it's still true that Omicron is dodging much of the immunity conferred by the vaccines to infect fully-vaccinated people almost as readily as unvaccinated. There are nonetheless still benefits to being vaccinated, and I agree that emphasizing that is a good idea, but identifying it as vaccine-avoidant is still an accurate way to look at things, especially in a discussion on raw case numbers. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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