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Slayer_22
01/12/22 7:02:52 AM
#152:


Umbreon posted...


I watched that.

There is a difference between someone just not liking you, and someone mistreating you. The boy who didn't like TJ didn't say anything especially bad towards him.

Meanwhile, dipshits in the gaming community like to send death threats if you give their golden calf an 8/10.

That's why I feel it's best to ignore them.

The amount of times I've received death threats on the internet is just absurd. And I'm a nobody. At this point, it feels like you have to accept that dumbasses gonna dumbass.

Once you build in a filter, it's so much easier to weed out the ones that aren't idiots. The world could still do without said idiots.

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xXfireglzXx
01/12/22 7:04:25 AM
#153:


Punished_Blinx posted...
Why are there always people who say "You're attacking your entire audience" when the vocal assholes are called out?

Not once have I felt like I am bundled in with these people.

M8, you gotta learn how to address an argument without Kafkatrapping.

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cuttin_in_farm
01/12/22 7:04:57 AM
#154:


I have almost no context to any of this.

But I think its unfair to say people should have to deal with negative comments. Everyone has their own tolerance levels.

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UnfairRepresent
01/12/22 7:06:28 AM
#155:


Slayer_22 posted...
That's why I feel it's best to ignore them.

The amount of times I've received death threats on the internet is just absurd. And I'm a nobody. At this point, it feels like you have to accept that dumbasses gonna dumbass.

Once you build in a filter, it's so much easier to weed out the ones that aren't idiots. The world could still do without said idiots.
I used to say thus too

but you're being dishonest if you claim the level of threats and abuse is equal


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JuanCarlos1
01/12/22 7:11:36 AM
#156:


Wait there are people here arguing about what she said? For fucks sake

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alphagamble
01/12/22 7:16:48 AM
#157:


I'd be quite flattered if someone said they jerked off to the thought of me actually

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SweetieBeIle462
01/12/22 7:33:38 AM
#158:


Well there's nothing else to do this morning

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Quicksilver
01/12/22 7:53:33 AM
#159:


WTF g4 is back? Who is even watching them in 2022 I guess people who love cops reruns.

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The Catgirl Fondler
01/12/22 8:04:51 AM
#160:


Gamerguymass posted...


I mean its literally been happening for thousands of years, what exactly is it that you think can be done that will make it stop? Men are hardwired to be attracted to younger fitter women and be obsessed with sex. It's literally biological instinct. There's nothing that will ever make every guy everywhere stop thinking of sex and being perverts.

The best thing to do is to either ignore it or play along in which case they will eventually get bored and stop. But going on some cringy rant just shows that it does bother you so now they are going to double down. I mean this happens literally every time someone shows they are bothered by something. You would think people who spend their days on the internet would know this.


Bullshit, there's nothing forcing other men to act like this, and I say that as one of the biggest fucking perverts here. I enjoy my lewd and saucy content, often and vigorously, but that doesn't mean I condone harassment and mistreatment in the real world.

It's a personal choice to be a belligerent and sexist dipshit, and unfortunately a lot of guys choose poorly.

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Shotgunnova
01/12/22 8:22:45 AM
#161:


A little cringy, but she ain't wrong.

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JuanCarlos1
01/12/22 8:24:36 AM
#162:


Shotgunnova posted...
A little cringy, but she ain't wrong.

Whats cringy about saying the truth?

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Funkydog
01/12/22 8:29:56 AM
#163:


Thanks to all the Gamers in this topic for proving her point with gusto.

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Slayer_22
01/12/22 8:34:08 AM
#164:


UnfairRepresent posted...

I used to say thus too

but you're being dishonest if you claim the level of threats and abuse is equal


No, I'm not being dishonest. I've always considered them to he toothless, ever since my first one where I called the police.

Death threats are just the norm of the internet, because it's the best and easiest thing you can threaten if you want to sound scarier than you actually are.

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General-Secura
01/12/22 8:35:15 AM
#165:


Ah, I'm so happy I don't have to deal with Froskurinn mucking up the LEC broadcast any more.
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Ar0ge
01/12/22 8:58:52 AM
#166:


Literally more than 2/3 of people in this topic just reinforced her argument.

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Nemu
01/12/22 9:11:17 AM
#167:


Turning off comments or using your own platform where you can better curate the userbase is the only way to make that stop. It'd be nice if we could come together as a society to be less shitty, but that's obviously never going to happen. Celebrities in particular have to realize they will always deal with this shit due to being in the limelight. Nobody should have to deal with that and there can probably be some measures to lighten it up a little bit, but you gotta work in reality rather than some imagined utopia.
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LightHawKnight
01/12/22 9:14:20 AM
#168:


Not sure why people think the vocal minority of the commenters is the norm. Trolls with anonymity exist everywhere online. As long as free accounts exist, or hell even hacked accounts or otherwise you are going to have a ton of assholes in chat/comments. Even with good moderators, they can only delete and ban accounts after they show up.

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waterjoe
01/12/22 9:17:18 AM
#169:


General-Secura posted...
Ah, I'm so happy I don't have to deal with Froskurinn mucking up the LEC broadcast any more.

Assholes like this is the reason why she said what she said and she 100% right. Then this muthafucka would have the audacity to complain about people not agreeing with his dumbass leftist takes.
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Lairen
01/12/22 9:17:27 AM
#170:


The bad people doing what shes talking against dont care what she has to say.

The good people not doing what shes talking against dont care because theyre not doing it.

Whos she talking to?

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UnfairRepresent
01/12/22 9:18:55 AM
#171:


Nemu posted...
Turning off comments or using your own platform where you can better curate the userbase is the only way to make that stop. It'd be nice if we could come together as a society to be less shitty, but that's obviously never going to happen. Celebrities in particular have to realize they will always deal with this shit due to being in the limelight. Nobody should have to deal with that and there can probably be some measures to lighten it up a little bit, but you gotta work in reality rather than some imagined utopia.
Lindsay Ellis alone disproves this argument

She turned off comments and closed her social media and all it did was make people angrier at her

She then came back and did a video about it and half the trolls ran off

Dina Tokio did the same thing

The Internet and social media are new things. The concept of "No you have to shut up and accept us abusing and threatening you because that's the way it is. That's reality, you can't expect me to change " is pure bullshit

Especially when shining a light on it has shown to be effective at curbing it.

The behavior is only normalised if you accept it as such

Hell I'd argue its already better than it was In the late 2000s

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UnfairRepresent
01/12/22 9:20:31 AM
#172:


Lairen posted...
The bad people doing what shes talking against dont care what she has to say.

The good people not doing what shes talking against dont care because theyre not doing it.

Whos she talking to?
All the people defending the "bad" people and normalising their behavior while downplaying the abuse

Which is a ton of people including many in this topic

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Fam_Fam
01/12/22 9:21:40 AM
#173:


Lairen posted...
The bad people doing what shes talking against dont care what she has to say.

The good people not doing what shes talking against dont care because theyre not doing it.

Whos she talking to?

you don't do something, so you don't care about it? that's the problem. people just either say they aren't doing it, or it is not bad. the idea is for "good people" to recognize its bad and to call it out as well. it's drawing attention to a problem, and trying to create awareness that leads to change when the spotlight is on it, which limits peoples' ability to pretend they don't know about it
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LightHawKnight
01/12/22 9:24:23 AM
#174:


Fam_Fam posted...
you don't do something, so you don't care about it? that's the problem. people just either say they aren't doing it, or it is not bad. the idea is for "good people" to recognize its bad and to call it out as well. it's drawing attention to a problem, and trying to create awareness that leads to change when the spotlight is on it, which limits peoples' ability to pretend they don't know about it

What does calling it out do? Trolls with anonymity dont care about getting punished or "exposed". They will just make another account and go at it. Gotta step up moderators and ban them faster is all you can really do.

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UnfairRepresent
01/12/22 9:27:34 AM
#175:


LightHawKnight posted...
What does calling it out do? Trolls with anonymity dont care about getting punished or "exposed". They will just make another account and go at it. Gotta step up moderators and ban them faster is all you can really do.
"What does calling out theft do? Theives are gonna steal stuff anyway. Only thing you can do is step up police to arrest them faster."

This is dumb logic

You know this is dumb logic

Again the normalisation, trivalization, downplaying and rationalising is blatant.

And it demonstrates her point.

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Umbreon
01/12/22 9:28:28 AM
#176:


Oh, you'd be surprised how many people publicly do that shit. It's not just all trolls hiding under anonymity (Ignoring how that's going to be less and less of a thing)

But more to the point, keeping silent about these things is essentially saying it's okay. Which it isn't.

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LightHawKnight
01/12/22 9:29:51 AM
#177:


UnfairRepresent posted...
"What does calling out theft do? Theives are gonna steal stuff anyway. Only thing you can do is step up police to arrest them faster."

This is dumb logic

You know this is dumb logic

Again the normalisation, trivalization, downplaying and rationalising is blatant.

And it demonstrates her point.

So you dont know how the internet works. Thieves can be far easier to catch and actually worth catching. Internet trolls? You can call out all you want, and they will find pleasure in that. It is going to do nothing to stop them, cause you wont be catching them. They will make new accounts and keep on doing what they do until they get bored. All they want is attention and to be assholes. Ban and move on to keep them attention starved.

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LightHawKnight
01/12/22 9:31:08 AM
#178:


Umbreon posted...
Oh, you'd be surprised how many people publicly do that shit. It's not just all trolls hiding under anonymity (Ignoring how that's going to be less and less of a thing)

But more to the point, keeping silent about these things is essentially saying it's okay. Which it isn't.

How many actually do it publicly? Those ones you can actually maybe shame to go away. Have real punishments for being an asshole when you can identify them.

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Lairen
01/12/22 9:32:31 AM
#179:


Theres many stupid annoying people of all types. You can point one out and say a group is like that or argue with them. Its a waste of time.

Like shes talking out against a problem vaguely. She might as well talk about pollution or world hunger. She is talking against an anonymous group thats being offensive. Good luck.

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UnfairRepresent
01/12/22 9:41:59 AM
#180:


LightHawKnight posted...
So you dont know how the internet works. Thieves can be far easier to catch and actually worth catching. Internet trolls? You can call out all you want, and they will find pleasure in that. It is going to do nothing to stop them, cause you wont be catching them. They will make new accounts and keep on doing what they do until they get bored. All they want is attention and to be assholes. Ban and move on to keep them attention starved.

UnfairRepresent posted...
Lindsay Ellis alone disproves this argument

She turned off comments and closed her social media and all it did was make people angrier at her

She then came back and did a video about it and half the trolls ran off

Dina Tokio did the same thing

The Internet and social media are new things. The concept of "No you have to shut up and accept us abusing and threatening you because that's the way it is. That's reality, you can't expect me to change " is pure bullshit

Especially when shining a light on it has shown to be effective at curbing it.

The behavior is only normalised if you accept it as such

Hell I'd argue its already better than it was In the late 2000s


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Lairen
01/12/22 9:47:44 AM
#181:


UnfairRepresent posted...
She then came back and did a video about it and half the trolls ran off

How did she measure this?

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Jagr_68
01/12/22 10:04:38 AM
#183:


Nemu posted...
Turning off comments or using your own platform where you can better curate the userbase is the only way to make that stop. It'd be nice if we could come together as a society to be less shitty, but that's obviously never going to happen. Celebrities in particular have to realize they will always deal with this shit due to being in the limelight. Nobody should have to deal with that and there can probably be some measures to lighten it up a little bit, but you gotta work in reality rather than some imagined utopia.

Yeah this stupid rhetoric behind using ignore or block features as a sign of weakness or thin-skinned needs to be phased out of our culture, which it sort of slowly is in social media.

Just because everyone has a voice to be heard doesn't mean "YOU" have to tolerate it.

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CruelBuffalo
01/12/22 10:50:23 AM
#185:


Shes right and gamers are pathetic
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Gwynevere
01/12/22 1:18:48 PM
#188:


Unfortunately mistreatment and objectification of women has gone hand in hand with gaming for a long time now. Especially when the main demographic was weird nerds and dude bros

Things are changing, and this behavior needs to keep getting called out. And I get the feeling anyone trying to delegitimize her experiences don't want things to change

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Eramir
01/12/22 2:29:04 PM
#189:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Exactly. This person needs to be mad at her own company lmao
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Gobstoppers12
01/12/22 2:36:30 PM
#190:


Having a sense of shame is an underrated skill. Some people need to learn when they should keep their thoughts to themselves. Especially in comment sections.

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dave_is_slick
01/12/22 2:36:40 PM
#191:


Jagr_68 posted...
Yeah this stupid rhetoric behind using ignore or block features as a sign of weakness or thin-skinned needs to be phased out of our culture, which it sort of slowly is in social media.
Don't know why you think that's being phased out. I've only ever seen it used when people don't get the response they were looking for. It only creates echo chambers. Rarely is it used to stop harassment.

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Prestoff
01/12/22 2:38:20 PM
#192:


Yeah I'm normally on the boat about just ignoring trolls, but sometimes shutting down your social media accounts or putting them on a ban list is the only way to deal with them. My younger sister, last year, was a victim to this where trolls at first were making derogatory comments about her because she appeared in a talk regarding a female empowerment college program for STEM majors. At first she ignored them, but it just wouldn't stop and it got to the point where it got invasive like one of them calling her workplace Boss and making false allegations on her being abusive towards her pets. She eventually shut down all her social media accounts and just recently opened it back up (since new years) and hasn't gotten any troll comments since. She is definitely going to be more vigilant regarding troll comments and most likely going to be blocking or banning a bunch of them if they do prop up.

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DragonClaw01
01/12/22 3:11:37 PM
#194:


It's pretty unrealistic to think that she is going to be treated the same way as Adam anyways considering she is a nothing that no one's ever heard of. Compared to Adam who at least has nostalgia going for him.

The whole endeavor's doomed anyways. No one cares about G4 after the rise of YouTube and Adam's review style is far to verbose and boring for a modern day audience. I mean you are reviewing Halo, not writing a book review for the New York Times. Pretty much why he failed since leaving G4 the first time. Why would I watch him when I could watch something entertaining like Scott the Woz

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g0ldie
01/12/22 3:17:56 PM
#195:


^ while still a bit verbose, like you said, his reviews are now pretty fun, and another host is usually included to give their take.

the woman in the OP has been in some of them, from what I've seen.

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Prestoff
01/12/22 3:25:39 PM
#196:


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I felt even worst because I was one of those people that went "Sis, just ignore them. Giving them attention will only make it worst. They will eventually go away." I just didn't realize how far some of these trolls would go.

A lot of them were giving her crap because she's made comments about her experience in going into Electrical Engineering, but dropped out of that major because every engineering class she was in was always predominately male or she was the only female in there. She would constantly get hit on by many of them, which she found to be very uncomfortable because she wasn't looking to be in a relationship with anyone until after college and when she got her life down. She also said she faced some sexism like guys making comments about women not being smart in general if she didn't get a high score on a quiz or test, because she said that if you're a minority in a majority environment, not only are you an unwilling representative but you will get judged on for any actions you do, as unfair as that sounds. It was an environment she was very uncomfortable with that she temporarily dropped out of college and was thinking about going into beauty school.

With encouragement from family, friends, and mentors she eventually switched to Bio major where she eventually got a job as a Veterinarian (you can see why the troll made the call they did to her boss) after graduation and she kinda used this as an anchor to for the rest of her sharing regarding not giving up after a bad experience.

I will give a discretion she does use some "sjw" words like "problematic" and "words can be violence" in her sharing, so I can see why some people might have an issue with it. I can also see people using the "block" feature to block out dissenting opinions and creating an echo chamber (like someone else posted). With that said, I can also see it sometimes being a good tool to blocking out abuse and harassment as well.

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AceMos
01/12/22 3:42:16 PM
#197:


i would like to remind ppl morgan webb was also harassed ppl constantly accused her of not being a real gamer

this shit has been going on for along time and it needs to stop

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Metalsonic66
01/12/22 3:43:14 PM
#198:


Fiddle with my joystick baybeh

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Smackems
01/12/22 3:50:19 PM
#199:


lilORANG posted...
That's not Morgan Webb
This, so don't care

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myzz7
01/12/22 3:53:04 PM
#200:


super cringe

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Slayer_22
01/12/22 3:53:44 PM
#201:


UnfairRepresent posted...

"What does calling out theft do? Theives are gonna steal stuff anyway. Only thing you can do is step up police to arrest them faster."

This is dumb logic

You know this is dumb logic

Again the normalisation, trivalization, downplaying and rationalising is blatant.

And it demonstrates her point.

It's not normalizing it, and it may be downplaying, but ffs. You cannot do anything about it.

You can't do anything about petty theft either, you can crack down on it, but you can't really do anything about it. Maybe say no. But is that gonna stop anyone? How often do you see people arguing that theft is bad? Not very, because it's obvious and it doesn't need to be said.

Of course bigoted, misogynistic, racist, disgusting comments will exist no matter what. It isn't a shocking revelation that those are bad. That's why bans and deletions will exist. You have to accept that the vocal minority will say these things, and you're only egging them on by having rants about it.

If she's seriously making a big deal about this one thing from comments of the vocal minority(that I cannot even find anymore on popular websites like YouTube and reddit), then it seems like such a non-issue that it isn't even worth a mention. JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...


Im not sure why theyd be upset because dont do datura is solid advice. And not really related.

And sorry but the second part of my post is hyperbolic and obviously not a quote.

I've seen people defending using datura, so I wouldn't assume otherwise.

The second part was the part I was saying you were putting words into my mouth.

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